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adjl posted...

What can your male friends provide you that a female friend couldn't?

Be a more compettive sports partner.

Have mutual understanding together of what it means to be a male We can both understand each other in a way a female could never understand me. Such as the needs of a male.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

They can disagree with me if they want but the brain isn't just going to release the chemicals because we want it to.

That's because you're being narrow-minded. Just because they don't need sex to release those chemicals, don't mean there aren't other ways for them to release those chemicals. Sex isn't everything, or the be end all end. Sex is absolutely not the equivalent of love for everyone.

LinkPizza posted...

I cant agree with that. There are some guys I understand very well, but some I dont. Just like how there are some women I know very well and understand. Like my best friend. We can easily communicate with each other without saying anything most of the time. Even though Im a guy and shes a lady(not to mention all the other differences like I'm black, short, and more of an extrovert where she's white, tall, and more of an introvert and many other differences). And there are many guys who I try to understand and cant even though were both guys. To be able to understand someone, it doesnt matter what a between you legs... Those are the facts... Out of those things you mentioned (similar genitals, hormones, testosterone levels, drive, emotions), the only one thats really right is the similar genitals. And even that can be very different. The only thing is that they are usually made up from the same parts... But everyone has emotions. And theyre different for everybody. Just like testosterone levels. They literally have pills for when people have an imbalance. So, those mean nothing since those are different for everybody...

I already get the 'female perspective' from non-sexual female partners like my mothers and sisters. That should be enough. May be I should've reworded this better: What can my sexual female partners provide me that my brothers or male friends couldn't? I can't think of anything.

And yes, males have more in common with each other than males and females overall, for the most part. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having segregated sports. Instead, everything would be mixed. Males vs females. But of course, the fact that males aren't allowed to face females in sports and vice versa, proves my point.

And the fact that males numerically dominate females in certain fields and vice versa, proves that males and females aren't quite as similar as many people would want to believe they are. And there is nothing wrong with that!

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Most of the this topic is nonsense. Men and women do like 99% the same shit and the 1% different is sex. Yes men are more likely to have certain traits or do certain things and women are more likely to have certain other traits but those are only odds. Everything you might hate about men doesn't apply to all men and almost certainly also applies to some women and vice versa. Unless it's something dictated by the biological differences which is pretty much just sex/childbirth.

But you do. That's like saying what if you could taste good food without taste buds. You aren't going to be able to match the level of intimacy that sex provides without it. It's not like you NEED to experience that kind of thing but it's unique and something I would be pretty sad to give up.

I'm pretty sure some asexual people would totally disagree with you, and tell you that they can feel just as intimate, if not more intimate with a person without sex as a sexual person can through sex.

Some people who even like sex, even asexuals, would tell you that they can feel more intimate with a person through a different means than through sex.

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

No, I would be a very poor lesbian. Guys are too nice to look at and I cant stand most women. High heels and makeup? Hell no! Keep pink stuff away from me!

Do you attain sexual pleasure and arousal by looking at males?

LinkPizza posted...

Wouldnt it be hard to say all men are useless if you havent met all men? Or dont know all men?

Yes. I would. Sex if much better with another person. Not just because of the sex, either. I love the other person, so it makes it better. Sex with other guys isnt the same. And its not just because hes good at sex, but because its him... So, I wouldnt ever want to be asexual. It works for some people, but not me...

If you want the actual definition, youd have to look that up. But it can mean different things for different people. Some consider it just more than sex, some consider it a connection with someone, some consider it a relationship, etc...

Ive seen that in porn. Though, I dont know much about it. Though, Im hoping for the day they could fully change a human inside and out. Thatll be exciting...

Yeah. Its been a while, but I think I saw somewhere the numbers. It was higher than I thought it would be. People always make it seem like its super ultra rare. But its not as rare as they make it seem...

Maybe. Though, that might not be as true as youd hope. I mean, guys still have different feelings of what its like to be a guy... Not to mention, even in gay relationships, I dont think its really something people focus on...

But what if you didn't sex to feel that love, pleasure and all the other positive emotions about another person? What if love was enough, without sex? Whatever feelings you can derive from sex, imagine you were able to derive them without sex?

And all the pleasure from sex you can you can derive, what if you can derive them by yourself?

And for me, there is no difference between romance and sex. They are one and the same to me. Outside of sex, I have no idea what romance even means and nobody has ever been able to provide a specific or a measurable definition of 'romance'. So it basically means nothing to me, until it is specifically and measurably defined.

There may be differences in guys, but for the most part, two guys will understand each other WAY more than a guy and a female would, as there are way more similarities between two guys (similar genitals, hormones, testosterone levels, drive, emotions and etc.) than between a male and a female. There are many things only two males can understand about each other that no female can, unless she also became a male and vice versa. And this is no sexism or misogyny, but simple facts!

adjl posted...

Not really. There's that one guy who explicitly said that the only thing a relationship with a woman could give him is sex, but he's generally just being really weird about relationships and doesn't even really want one anyway, so I think that can safely be taken with a grain of salt. I can't say I've noticed much by way of homophobia, aside from, again, TC having weird preconceptions about gender-based differences in sex drive, so again, grain of salt. Most of it's been taken over by Jen being openly misandrist and getting defensive when people called her out on it (which is really a very typical Jen thing to do), not by misogyny/homophobia.

To actually answer the topic question myself, it's hard to say because my current thoughts and feelings regarding sex and relationships are based on being straight. I don't have enough romantic/sexual interest in men to be able to say "I'd like to be gay," so I would be inclined to answer negatively, but that's based on my current orientation. If I were gay, though, it stands to reason that that attitude would change, meaning the answer would become yes. To that end, it's really a weird question that can't be answered. If the question were "If you woke up tomorrow and had magically turned gay, would you be okay with it?" then it'd be easy to answer "yes," aside from the fact that it would throw a rather large wrench into my current long-term heterosexual relationship such that I'd say "no" for purely practical reasons.

Without knowing anything about me personally? It's not hard to know why that is, because there's only one immediate explanation for that: angry, bitter prejudice. That's literally what the word "prejudice" means. The basis for that prejudice will vary from person to person, but pretty invariably it says more about them and their failure to handle their life experiences healthily than it does about me.

Saying 'females can't provide me anything outside of sex that my male friends couldn't' is anything but misogynstic, sexist or homophobic. This is just a statement from my own personal experience, and nobody so far has been able to provide me one thing a female can provide me outside of sex that my male friends can't.

And if anything, my comments indicate me being pro-homosexual instead of homophobic. You can't possibly infer from anything I commented that I am homophobic here.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

The best part of sex isn't the physical pleasure, it's the intimacy. Raw sensation wise, anyone else is going to be hard pressed to do significantly better than I can do to myself, but it's so much more satisfying when you mix it with intimacy.

But what if you didn't need sex, to derive those same feelings of intimacy with a person, as an asexual? That was my point!

Jen0125 posted...

Notice the men are posting from a purely sexual standpoint

Well duh, obviously. Last time I checked, this thread was about sexuality hence the word 'homosexual' in the title and not 'homoromantic'. But congrats on your ground-breaking observation!

IronBornCorps posted...

What can your bros provide that a woman can't?

Mutual understanding of what it means to be a male I guess? We can both understand each other in a way a female could never understand me.

LinkPizza posted...

I wouldnt like that. I like sex, and the feeling I get from it...

Isnt she right, though? I mean, in most other species, its the male that usually looks super pretty and colorful to attract mates...

Oh. Really? I see...

So, now youre assuming all gay males can jerk off to pictures of attractive males? You know thats not true, right?

Many women want just sex, as well. And many men also want romance. IIRC, @wolfy42 mentioned how many of his male friends were actually bummed because they were looking for a relationship, but kept finding women that wanted to hook-up.

The only thing is a real penis. Other than that, not much, AFAIK...

Can you define 'romance' for me please?

Jen0125 posted...

No, I just think men in general are useless. I'm sorry that you feel offended enough by that that you need to defend men.

And I think females in general are useless. Makes us both even there!

LinkPizza posted...

I wouldnt like that. I like sex, and the feeling I get from it...

Isnt she right, though? I mean, in most other species, its the male that usually looks super pretty and colorful to attract mates...

Oh. Really? I see...

So, now youre assuming all gay males can jerk off to pictures of attractive males? You know thats not true, right?

Many women want just sex, as well. And many men also want romance. IIRC, @wolfy42 mentioned how many of his male friends were actually bummed because they were looking for a relationship, but kept finding women that wanted to hook-up.

The only thing is a real penis. Other than that, not much, AFAIK...

But what if you could give yourself the same amount of pleasure through 'self-sex' as you could from having sex with another person. That's why asexuality is best, as it renders the need for anybody else to pleasure one's self.

Jen0125 posted...

If you're heterosexual, romantic partnership?

Sorry I don't do romance. I'm kind of aromantic. And most males I know, would prefer sex over romance all day long if they had to choose one.

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

No, I would be a very poor lesbian. Guys are too nice to look at and I cant stand most women. High heels and makeup? Hell no! Keep pink stuff away from me!

Can you masturbate whilst looking at pictures of males like how gay males can jerk off to pictures of attractive males? And I mean just pictures, and nothing else.

TheWitchMorgana posted...

casual homophobia and sexism wow we got a winner here

Where is the homophobia? And it's not sexism. Tell me what a female can provide me outside of sex, that my male friends couldn't already provide me?

wolfy42 posted...

I mean, no bi option? It's obviously the best choice.

I wish I was bi.

But if I couldn't be bi, i'd rather be a lesbian honestly. I personally dont' get why any girls wanna be with guys personally, and that is outside of what my natural attraction is. Guys get girls pregnant (there is always the risk), unless the girl uses protection (Which usually has side effects) or they use a condom etc.

There are certainly some things I wouldn't like about being a girl (not really wanna to try the whole period thing for one), but i'd certainly have had more sex when I was younger if I was one lol.

If you asked me. asexuality is better than all. But the choice is between gay and straight in this thread.

IronBornCorps posted...

whoa whoa, there is more to relationships and intimacy than sex? That must be the baggage Gansta was talking about that makes being a gay man so easy and enticing.

If I wanted a relationship outside of sex, I wouldn't need my sexual partner. My friendly bros would be enough. Females can't offer me anything outside of sex. And even then, I'm mostly asexual and don't really need sex anymore.

Jen0125 posted...

I'd choose to be a lesbian. Men are useless.

Thanks for your honesty! I'm pretty sure there are many males who also feel the same way about females for obvious reasons.

IronBornCorps posted...

I read this post and am still attracted to men, should be proof that sexuality isn't a choice.

Strawman! Never said sexuality was a choice and never asked if you were attracted to males.

Are you female?

LinkPizza posted...

I feel most people would choose to remain straight. I see no reason for people to actually choose to be gay...

For some, being gay is an advantage due to equal level of horniness and mutual understanding of what each other need, more often than not. Whilst males and females are too different for the most part. That's one of the arguments at least in favor of choosing to be homosexual.

For example, Gay males don't have that extra baggage of having to chase after females, and having to work extra hard to gain their approval or to arouse them. Instead, they can get it on immediately and have pleasurable sex without those baggages.

It seems easier for gay males to gratify their sexual desires than for straight males who have ton of baggage.

This poll is strictly for straight / heterosexual males and females! Please provide a reason or reasons for your choice!

Thanks for participating!