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Lynching Sultan does make sense for scum because he was super town. There was no way they get him mislynched. Not really buying Changs claim at this point, smells more like hes a cult recruiter and recruited Han to me.
Sultan was basically the only other person to question leaving JC 3 days to do whatever he pleases.
Plants flag. Lets go town!

It's 04:10 and I need to get off to bed. My vote stays on Chang.

I was debating wether to claim to avoid a B8 special from Scum Peaf and misguided Lopen but I'll hold it. Let's go town! We can do it.
I'll be back tomorrow with more cheering.

To be clear, my vote is on Chang not Peaf just incase you thought otherwise Death.

It is but another way is to stay on Chang because maybe you're both scum and he's more useful alive N1 than you are. If I stay on chang and he gets lynched and flips scum then I can vote you tomorrow for trying so hard to get off Chang yourself. Correct?

Peace___Frog posted...

... you mean the thing that i already posted to star in the last topic? Or the things that lopen has pointed out throughout the day? Multiple people got upset at me for buddying up to lopen about his opinions.

I'm seriously unsure how much i need to reevaluate my chang read now that star just... followed me like that. That was one of the most bizarre things I've experienced since coming back to mafia and i feel icky from it.

See told you Peaf was going to get nervous that Chang might get traction and jump off onto me.

MY internet sucks and my posts aren't going through.

Peaf. I didn't like how Chang simply accepted JC's answer as if it made perfect sense when to me it seemed like a very strange play. I agree with SBell about how I'd have played the role. I'd have played it as town vanilla at least for the first two days. Chang just going yeah ok made me think he was scum who maybe thought they don't need to kill JC because he'll die in 3 days anyway so he can drop the questioning and just let JC die. Asked enough to get some information but accepted it too readily for me.
To clarify. I think Peaf is scummy because he's been faux interrogating people and done very little with it. He's been very active but has admitted himself he's basically just stayed on chang despite all his activity he hasn't made any moves for alternate lynch, in fact he seems super upset that I voted chang.
I already talked about death.
I think Ulti is scummy because he's been way less active than I would expect. Initially I was like yeah this I've solved it because I'm a mafia genius votes were typical town Buuuuuuut, his disappearance after a long absence doesn't seem town, I'd expect him to have a point to prove.

What do you mean so-called? You think I don't find JC's claim suspicious. I already spoke about this with Sultan. I think there's a possibility that JC is scum buying time to get a power off. Nobody else seems to think so and basically all the questions have been asked. It resolves itself in a few days so pushing it would be a waste of time when people are a) not behind it and b) it resolves itself. I feel like my time is better spent pressuring people I have a stronger scum read on. Not everyone tunnels like you do Lopen.

Lopen. Just stop. Or at least, explain why you think I'm scum.

Peace___Frog posted...

Thanks for the laugh, star. So let me understand.

You think I'm scum because I'm posting a lot and not following threads that you think i should be following. You then think that my scum list lacks creativity and isn't pushing the envelope in any capacity.
You then follow me onto a lynch that i am trying to push and have not gotten much traction on... because of post 408? I appreciate the supporting vote but that's quite the path you took to get there.

Basically yeah. You say pushing but are you REALLY pushing it? Like he's clearly here and instead of applying pressure you're agreeing with him because I applied pressure. Seems like you're uncomfortable that your vote might get tractiion and what to steer it my way.

Peace___Frog posted...

I agree with chang here! This seems like such a weird thing for star to jump on chang for.

Glad you agree with your scummate. I had already said I thought chang was scum.
My scum list is Peaf, Chang, Ulti and death fwiw.

Chang's post has me even more convinced he's scum. The first part seems scummy to me. Like he's saying he doesn't like to call scum D1 because everyone is pretending to be town. Scum pretends to be town for the whole game! More like you don't want to call town reads without it being glaringly obvious that you have information others don't. Scumchang.
Then he weak town clears red for saying "I'm town" instead of continuing to down nothing at all. Red should at best be in a null pile.

##Vote: Chang

Peace___Frog posted...

I don't think I saw anybody bring up chang as scum before I did, thanks

I mean just the list itself and why I didn't respond to it more at the time. The scum list was easy and I was looking for something different to try and get more information about why you'd come to a particular suspicion, but the content wasn't there for me to build on so I didn't have anything more to add. It basically didn't move the needle for me thinking you were scum.

EDumey posted...

I feel like I've been the Ulti defense force, mostly because of my exchange with Lopen, and I don't really intend to be. I just don't see how this point isn't understood. He made an argument against you based on the thought that you had messaged Ben about the game on Discord. It was clarified that you didn't do that. Ulti no longer had an argument and reevaluated.
It really isn't hard to follow, and of all the changes of opinions players have had in this game, is maybe the one that makes the MOST sense because it was predicated on an incorrect premise.

This was ironically the suspicion on Sultan early. Everyone was defending him against Ulti's wrong read except for Sultan himself. Circle of Life.

Peace___Frog posted...

Hmm. That's fair, yeah. Work has generally been exceedingly boring the past few days and I've been here more than I should have been. And though i got upset at other players for flip flopping, I've done a lot of it myself.
The issues that i had with igcd, or have with plum and Ulti, and their flops, has been that i don't see any logical or coherent reason for them. Upon a reread of igcd after his attack on me felt very town-y and he explained his death stuff, i did see the thought process from him. And that's why he moved off of my list so hard that he went from scummiest scum to towniest town.

I also felt that your scum list was very vanilla, I was hoping for a unique read after all your activity but almost everybody has Chang and Ulti on their scum lists.

I actually saw that list and I was going to answer it but I didn't really have anything to add other than thanks so I didn't bother. I think I asked about IGCD and if deaths flip would change your read.

Hbthebattle posted...

Why do you think Peaf is scum?

I feel like he's hiding behind questions and posting a ton of content. It's hard to pin down a read for him if he has a ton of posts especially if he changes his reads. I feel like more than once he's asked a lot of basic straightforward questions that don't seem to lead anywhere. I like Dumey because of the way he answered Peaf logically early on when Peaf was asking about the scum/scum town/scum thing with JC. It's basically the opposite end of the spectrum from my read on death.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Which he never did exsplain why

Ulti and Corrik like to big brother players they look at as weaker when they're scum. Usually in a there's no way this player gets lynched. I won't allow it trust my reads I'm great at mafia, kind of way. I don't mean that to be offensive to you but it's something i've seen multiple times from Ulti. I've been the little brother. Feels bad to get used. I feel Ulti is scum.

Peace___Frog posted...

Plum and star i could be convinced to vote on at the day end rush, sure.

I think you're scum. You think I'm scum. Why wait until end of day rush when I won't be here and can't defend myself? Let the battle commence. Gladiator's goooooo

Lopen posted...

Scum
Plum
5tar
Han
Peaf
Dumey

Actually really liking this config. Good scenario found where everything clicks in place if you assume JC is town

I have Peaf as scum too let's vote him together

I'm more inclined to think it was a coincidence than you drawing something out of hb.

I mean posting nothing of substance, you've been defeatist, you've posted some useful flavour stuff but whenever you've been pressed for a hard read or even a slight read really you seem to have just hedged it everytime. Seems scummy to me like I said, I'm not planning on voting you on the chance that the shot is legit and it resolves itself but you are currently in my scum pile.

htaeD posted...

Like its almost making me angry that you are saying that I have done nothing at all.

I wonder if this is really bothering you or if you just see pressure from Lopen and hb and feel like it's something you could get behind?

I already said. If you believed that the shot was real and you're town then I assume you'd want to try and get something out there. I understand people are busy and have work and everything but it's not like you haven't been posting, you've just been posting nothing.

Peace___Frog posted...

I would have to reevaluate the early d1 interactions for sure to say definitely if he would completely move out of my town pile, but most of my read of igcd came from situations outside of the shot. So would it completely change my view? Unlikely.

If the shot goes off does death's alignment influence your read on IGCD?

Hbthebattle posted...

How helpful do you think ridiculing IGCD for his decision is to town? This sorta feels like the same thing plum's been doing.

If it makes him reconsider a policy of just vote randomly and if they flip scum it's good if they flip town try again tomorrow then it's helpful to town.

Death your timezone is Europe right? Like central Europe? Either way I'm sure it isn't any of the US timezones.

No, my vote on IG was because I thought his play was awful. I still think it's awful. If it's fake then it's done seemingly nothing and if it's real I still insist that using your shot so early on D1 with no real info because Corrik said so is a trash tier play. It's unnecessarily risky when he could have held it longer until he had an actual read. Bad town isn't necessarily scum though and if he is town and gets lynched for bad play that doesn't help town win.
Basically I think his play is anti-town but that doesn't mean he's 100% scum. I have other players I feel look way scummier so far

EDumey posted...

This is very lazy. If anything, it could be more important to read what Death is saying and try to give your opinion, because if he does die, we will have confirmed his alignment.

This is why I asked death if he thought he'd really been shot by IG or not. If he thought yes and he's town he'd surely want to get as much work done as possible to help town win. He basically hasn't done anything. He's like a tree blowing in the wind. He said he's leaning no on his belief but even so it seems like a big risk to take to have nothing on d1 with a potential timer on your head. Unless he's scum and just want to accidentally incriminate a teammate. Like, respond when needed but don't really say anything conclusive that be used later by town.
Leaning scum on death.

It's hard to get interactions and answers when there isn't anyone around. That was why I was asking death some questions to try see what he was thinking but he posted nothing. I was hoping he'd post some kind of read and I could use that to generate some conversation later. Alas he didn't.

##Unvote

I feel like Peaf has been super active and asked a ton of questions but I haven't really seen much follow up. Peaf what are your top 3 Scum and Town reads so far?

Dont forget Im not in the same timezone as you guys. When you guys are free Im usually busy, and when Im free you guys seem to be asleep. I still think IGCDs okay is super anti town but I guess that doesnt necessarily make him scum.

Im not deflecting. What makes you think Im scum?

I know its day 1 but I feel like death has been super non-committal today. Like, every answer has basically just been maybe this or that.

Still feel like Lopen is town even though he seems determined to suspect literally everyone of being scum today.

Death you didnt answer me. Do you think IGCD legit shot you and youll die tonight or no?

htaeD posted...

Trying not to contribute
Though I am not sure if you said I was doing that

What are you actually doing? Im not asking for a wall of text or anything but youre active enough to post something. Anything.
Do you believe IGCD shot you and youll die at EOD?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Weary if JC a bit. I think he may just want us to leave him be until day 4 where he gets like a super power to go off like day 3 or something and when he is alive after that it won't matter as much his power went off..

It's still hard to beleive there is a town role that just dies without getting lynched or night killed.

This is my fear too but I think were alone in this

Blindly trust

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I have no idea what this post is in reference to.

I dont like your answer to why youd use a shot day 1 with no information at all. You basically said its for the lolz. Its a useless attitude, wether its one use or multiple use youd be contributing nothing if your attitude is to just blindly throw darts and hope to hit something. If its a single use you blew it day 1 with no info, if its multi use why should I trust you to not just keep randomly shooting people in the hopes of hitting scum? By sheer numbers youre more likely to hit town if youre not going to make an effort. Seems like your play is very anti-town. I mean if you had a read then thats another thing but I dont have enough faith in you to blah sky trust your gut.

##vote: IGCD

You could at least give a reason. Your logic is terrible. No matter what I do and if I put effort in or not if a scum dies I done good. Of town dies oh well. Thats how you try to win? Dont even try and make a read?
Plum could be bent out of shape because a scum mate got hit on pure dumb luck but I doubt he airs such a grievance here. Makes me feel better about plum.

So what do you see plum's claim as if it's not a miller? I agree that it doesn't exactly fit the usual explanation of scanning as scum but being town given the supposed alignments. I'm not really sure wtf to make of it.
That being said, if we're to believe plum and IGCD's claims then we can all but disregard Ben's opening post on alignments. Neither of them falls into any of the 3 factions.

What do you make of the two miller claims?

htaeD posted...

It does, but it also makes sense as a fakeclaim to make as scum. So its a nultell overall. Though I also dont think we should lynch Changmas today.

Also really Lopen?
Your last straw for voting me is that?
I didnt mean I believed a literal BG could stop Changsmas' supposed death.
I just meant that a BG was equivalent to the role I theorized existing before HB's post.
Conveniently you leave that out.

Do you mean Chang or JC?

htaeD posted...

I suppose there are worse ways to die.

There are worse ways to die than being shot D1 because Corrik said so? I'm not sure I agree.

Thoughts on Ulti. I feel like his throw a vote on everyone with only a tiny sample is more town Ulti. He's supremely confident in his mafia ability and if he thinks for a second something is even a little off he'll dive on it and start voting without trying to get more information. He's just that confident in his own reads. What looks like a lazy vote to most people is just Ulti's over-confidence.
Can someone explain to me why nobody other than Lopen and I have suspicions of JC trying to buy time as scum? Like I just don't see why everyone is suddenly like oh yeah that makes sense. Like I get he's hinting town power but that to me just looks like he's going further down the buy myself time rabbit hole. He's either dropped the ball horribly as town with his weird decision making, or he's scrambling as scum.
I also don't like Chang just saying oh that seems legit with no knowledge of the flavour or the character. I read the wiki too and it doesn't seem to make sense to me to have Mio as doomed. Death knows the flavour best it seems. Can you give me an idea of if Mio as doomed town makes any sense flavour wise.

Catching up on 1-2 now.

I feel Lopen is very town, SBell and plum too.

Not feeling Peaf, Sultan or JC.

Peaf pushing Dumey on his statement about if one is scum we kill the other seemed a little fishy. Like PEaf was trying to get Dumey to vote one and even if they flipped town go after the other. MAkes me feel like maybe he knew they are both town and was looking for an easy buddy up then turning on Dumey with a you killed them and you must have known.

Dumey's explanations and thought process felt good to me. Made sense and was clear in his thinking.

My first thought on JC's claim was that he was either fishing or he was desperate to buy time to get a power off. That could be a town power but it could just as easily be a scum power and like others have said I'm not sure of the benefit of claiming it D1 as town. Like if you thought you'd be a major N1 target for scum then yeah you'd maybe claim and look for protection but you said yourself you wouldn't be. There's little reason to think you'd need to claimas town 1st post.

I feel like most of Sultan's defence has come from other people basically saying Sultan didn't mean that, Sultan doesn't read, Sultan is wishy washy at the best of times. HE hasn't really given me anything himself.

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Why would scum care if the claim was fake or not? They know who is town and who isnt.

changmas posted...

sultan wasnt claiming to chat anyone up on discord though, he was suggesting that Death was doing it

This was how I read it too. I think Sultan was saying heath could have messaged Ben for confirmation not that he did it himself. However, why didnt Sultan say that himself when Ulti posted that as his evidence? I think Sultan might be scum and thought hed been caught.

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Havent seen this in ages. Just speak to mind as the first movie with those two actors

Ok sure. I know nothing about the flavour but that could be a bonus, right?

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