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Collat posted...

Oh you know why.

And you aren't going to answer the first question because there is no answer that wouldn't be stupid.

Because it's all political. It's not about the virus. It's about control and power. It's about seeming virtuous over being honest and respecting the freedom of the people.

I'm not planning on convincing anyone anyways. I don't care. I know people are not going to want to change their minds ore give a damn about any opposing options that don't confirm to the current ever-changing unquestionable narrative.

Collat posted...

That's not what you said though dipshit.

If the pandemic was that serious why would mandates and restrictions be so casually dismissed? Why can states operate completely normally in a pandemic while others can't. Wouldn't they both be crippled one way or another?

Collat posted...

The fuck does that even mean?

Mandates change on state, country, and county lines. I can drive 30 mins frome here where there's lots of restrictions and mandates, across the state boarder where there are none at all. How can a pandemic be so bad that people can ignore it 30 mins away and be fine?

Collat posted...

Not during a pandemic you shouldn't.

A pandemic that ends at state and county lines. Pretty serious.

Collat posted...

If you need to go to the bar that badly, then get your shots. Otherwise it can't be that important.

I should have the freedom to go to a bar without showing medical documents if I want. Is that really that ridiculous?

papercup posted...

Bro they're waving nazi flags

Four Nazi flags does not discredit an entire four-day long multi thousand person protest and a convoy driving across the entire country, and countless upon countless people and flags promoting freedom. And a few of those flags or symbols we're used in conjunction with comparing the current Canadian government mandates to Nazi socialism. They weren't promoting nazism they were condemning it.

adjl posted...

They are holding as much of the country as they can hostage until they get what they want.That is the very definition of terrorism

(Primarily the capital because they have focus unlike BLM) But, M8 that's a protest. They want change, government won't listen, so they will make a stink until change happens. This has happened countless times in history. And this is terrorism then, this is the weakest form of terrorism ive ever seen. There's no violence It's clean for Christ's sake and all they're doing is causing traffic and honking horns all the time. If this is what you consider terrorism boy Id sure Wonder what you think 9/11 was. Calling this shit terrorism is trivializing every actual terrorist act that's ever occurred, And you should be ashamed of yourself for using this word in this way. It's only terrorism to you people when you disagree with it. If they were doing this shit because some lady got hit by a cop car the narrative would be completely different. And believe me, the streets wouldn't be clean, and it wouldn't be peaceful. You're despicable and furthering the narrative that these people that only want freedom, and independence for themselves and their family, are terrorists and racists and violent rednecks. Watch a single live stream for more than 3 seconds and tell me what violence and hatred you see.

Ogurisama posted...

They were calling to hang/kill political leaders, had swastikas, and other white supremacist symbols. Took food from a food bank and soup kitchen. Blocked key infrastructure. They are defiantly 100% terrorists and Nazis/

We're all of the BLM protestors terrorists and criminals because some looted, vandalized and attacked people? Because by your reasoning that an entire group of thousands can be defined by a few people, then they are.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Not the individual's?

the baby?

LinkPizza posted...

They aren't banned, though. They just have to get the vaccine. And most grocery stores don't require the vaccine, but just masks. To this day, I haven't seen any grocery stores that require vaccines. And that's probably because people need to buy food. And even if they did eventually require it, you could instead do curbside pickup, which you don't need a vaccine for. And you can buy alcohol in stores, as well... Bars aren't really needed. They are just a public place to get together. So, even if you couldn't go there, it's not really a detriment to life... May schools also give students the choice of being vaccinated or not. And for the students that won't get vaccinated, they usually offer a chance to do virtual schooling. Most jobs have requirements that need to be fulfilled to actually get the job. Like at one of y jobs, I needed to have a CDL. And these days, most jobs, you need to have the vaccine. So, this isn't any different that all those jobs. As a matter of fact, at one of my jobs, you needed to get a ton of other vaccines. Not to mention a bunch more if you were going overseas... So, saying you need it for jobs doesn't matter as most jobs require many things from you. The fact is that even if you think it's forcing you, it's not. So you'd be wrong. Most, if not all, of these places could kick you out for a number of reasons. This is just another one added to the list. And most of these things have alternatives for people who don't want to get the vaccine. So no. You're not forced to get the vaccine to live or anything... And you can say you gave an extreme example or whatever. But it's still a shitty one. Everyone else who gave example gave good ones. You complained about theirs, and then gave an even shittier one...

if they arent vaxxed, they will not be allowed to enter for as long as there are vaxx mandates. thats essential a ban. as far as the grocery store vaxx mandates, shorturl.at/quvzC
so there's that. "bars arent needed" what? thats not even a point.
sure, there's ways to live life in a subpar annoying compromised way that will allow you to do the things you usually did, but thats no reason to say its fine, its not. places that didnt need proof of any medical information at all now require it. thats not progress.

LinkPizza posted...

Sure. But that's also assault. Which is against the law. Where vaccines are not. And yes. You kind of are forcing someone to do it. Because it's a coercion. You're threatening someone. Vaccines aren't a threat, though. You just can't go into certain places. So, those aren't the same Funny how you keep telling other that their examples and comparisons are bad when yours was much worse...

Banning people from going to, bars, restaurants, venues, getting jobs, going to school, and in some parts of the world, grocery stores, seems kinda like forcing. I just gave an extreme example since apparently anything that isn't that doesn't register.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Wat do you think of forced circumcision to children?

I didn't know it was forced. If it is, I'm against it. It should be the parents choice.

adjl posted...

I agree. Clothing is far more expensive, requires a non-trivial amount of time, money, and energy to maintain, and really doesn't provide much benefit to those around you once you've achieved the bare minimum of covering your butthole so you don't smear poop residue on whatever you sit on. By contrast, vaccines are very cheap (if you have to pay for them at all), require pretty much no further action or upkeep beyond a day or two of side effects, and reduces the risk of getting other people sick or even killing them. Needing to wear clothing is obviously way worse than needing to get vaccinated. They're not even comparable.

I can't necessarily speak for everyone else, but I'm pretty neutral on being told what to do. Sometimes it's helpful, sometimes it's harmful, sometimes it's redundant... Given that I'm not a rebellious teenager, I don't define my personal identity on a basis of rejecting authority.

In this particular case, I got the shot long before any sort of mandates were even being considered, so it makes absolutely no difference to me that they're telling me to get vaccinated. I am, however, glad that they're telling all the people who were too stupid to make the right decision on their own what to do, since apparently that's necessary.

Fortunately, that's not really something anyone actually ever needs to do. If you end up with an adverse reaction (which is quite rare), that's generally easy enough to address by applying additional treatments, with no need to un-inject anything.

Try to keep up.

adjl posted...

I agree. Clothing is far more expensive, requires a non-trivial amount of time, money, and energy to maintain, and really doesn't provide much benefit to those around you once you've achieved the bare minimum of covering your butthole so you don't smear poop residue on whatever you sit on. By contrast, vaccines are very cheap (if you have to pay for them at all), require pretty much no further action or upkeep beyond a day or two of side effects, and reduces the risk of getting other people sick or even killing them. Needing to wear clothing is obviously way worse than needing to get vaccinated. They're not even comparable.

I can't necessarily speak for everyone else, but I'm pretty neutral on being told what to do. Sometimes it's helpful, sometimes it's harmful, sometimes it's redundant... Given that I'm not a rebellious teenager, I don't define my personal identity on a basis of rejecting authority.

In this particular case, I got the shot long before any sort of mandates were even being considered, so it makes absolutely no difference to me that they're telling me to get vaccinated. I am, however, glad that they're telling all the people who were too stupid to make the right decision on their own what to do, since apparently that's necessary.

Fortunately, that's not really something anyone actually ever needs to do. If you end up with an adverse reaction (which is quite rare), that's generally easy enough to address by applying additional treatments, with no need to un-inject anything.

Try to keep up.

You actually equated an injection to clothing and think it's a good point. WTF man. And this insane idea that there's only once choice in all of this is simply wrong. That people cant disagree with you and have it be tolerated. No. If it's not what you believe it's wrong and needs to be stopped. Ill stand by this, it's a personal choice what someone does to their body. Any system or person who thinks that choice does not belong to the individual is wrong.

LinkPizza posted...

You still have medical autonomy. You just have less options of stuff you can do when youre not vaccinated You still have that choice

Ex. If you don't give me all your money, I'm going to chop off your hand. It's your choice weather you do or not, I'm not forcing you to do anything, but you'll just have to live with the consequences. Don't blame me for the choice you make.

MetalGarurumon posted...

did you say the same thing when you got all your other vaccinations

Those were given to me as a kid before I had any choice on pretty much anything, let alone a vaccine. But don't change the topic. We're talking about the current mandates. Not the non existant mandates for a the other vaccinations.

ReturnOfFa posted...

So you advocate for people's freedom to enter bars regardless of vaccination status, but you don't care about their rights in regards to how they wear a hat? Strange.

Well if the club said to come in you could never wear a hat again, I'd say that's pretty bad. You cant un inject yourself. Medical autonomy is a pretty big deal and I can't believe people are cheering for less of it.

ReturnOfFa posted...

lmfao are you old enough to know the list of things that many bars require of you before you enter? ever been to a club that won't allow backwards ballcaps?

An injection is not the same as an age, or clothing.

It's like you people like being told what to do. And you're grateful.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

You must wear clothing when outside in public, is that also invasive?

Equating clothing with an injection is stupid.

adjl posted...

Public safety is absolutely the government's business. That's why a considerable portion of the laws we have exist. Why should vaccines be exempt from that?

because they'd be forcing people to get injected with something to go to a bar. lots public safety measures are variants of "don't do this". the mandates are "you must do this". it's extremely invasive.

adjl posted...

"Day one" for vaccine mandates was before you were born. Workers in many professions have been required to have vaccines for roughly as long as vaccines have existed, whenever not being vaccinated presents a risk to their clients, the public, their colleagues, or their ability to continue doing their work. You can't even start med school in Canada without proof of most childhood vaccines, plus TB immunity.

The only thing that's new with Covid is that Covid spreads so rapidly that it's become an occupational health issue for other professions as well, and a bunch of idiots have adopted their refusal to get vaccinated as a matter of personal and political identity and therefore refuse to change their minds in the face of new information. Even that's nothing new: The US Supreme Court ruled in favour of vaccine mandates in the early 1900's for the purpose of trying to get smallpox under control.

The government should not mandate what medicine an individual needs to take. It's none of the governments business. It should be up to the individual. I don't care if it's the vaccine or a single ibuprofen. It's wrong.

based truckers. the mandates were horrible from day one and I'm glad to see all this massive pushback.