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Topic11 year old prodigy plans to make humans immortal
Turtlebread
07/07/21 5:22:29 AM
#15
Fade2black001 posted...
What makes you say that? 2000+ years ago people lived for hundreds of years


yeah but they were given nano bot technology by ancient aliens

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Topic11 year old prodigy plans to make humans immortal
Turtlebread
07/07/21 5:07:19 AM
#11
UnholyMudcrab posted...
I just feel sorry for these kinds of kids when I read stories about them. They'll never have healthy social lives and you just know they're going to burn out before long.

what usually happens is we never hear from them again

its just media bait


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TopicWhy do white people let their dogs lick their face?
Turtlebread
07/07/21 4:58:56 AM
#2
TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/07/21 2:50:05 AM
#254
Xenozoa425 posted...
The studies you posted only generally focus on high or low amounts of animal sources of protein specifically as the dietary protein source. You will not see many significant changes in experimental settings when you are comparing protein amounts from animal-based sources, because they have a greater acid load with no natural buffer to balance the pH amount, so the body compensates by using its own alkaline/base sources in the bones.

If you actually read the studies I posted you'd know that this is exactly the point they refute. High protein (regardless of the source) has no effect on bone health.

Xenozoa425 posted...


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048552

That's good, but has nothing to say about the supposed dangers of a high protein diet.

Xenozoa425 posted...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5008916

An interesting read, but negative outcomes have been observed when reducing sulfur containing amino acids in an actual human population:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21872435/


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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/06/21 3:11:01 PM
#252
Xenozoa425 posted...
You don't just decide off one hand or another which study is worth listening to. If you find a contradiction, then you need to find more evidence that backs up one end of an argument.

and what about the other end?

when you have studies like this:

Xenozoa425 posted...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5490517/

citing studies like this:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12759230/

which are at odds with calcium isotope studies like this:
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/90/1/26/3058015
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12672913/

what are you gonna do?

in my opinion it's best to look at patient outcome, and the studies I've posted pretty definitively show that there are no negative outcomes for a high protein diet

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TopicJeff Bezos retires with 739,489 times the median American's wealth.
Turtlebread
07/06/21 6:41:18 AM
#54
Shadow Don posted...
It's sad that there are so many people that actually want to live as peasants.

right? If youre planning on retiring with anything less than 100 billion dollars dont even FUCKING talk to me bro

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Topic'The Tomorrow War' is stupid AF
Turtlebread
07/06/21 2:25:14 AM
#17
I hate anything with time travel and this was no exception

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TopicJeff Bezos retires with 739,489 times the median American's wealth.
Turtlebread
07/05/21 9:32:16 PM
#13
Broseph_Stalin posted...
Jeff Bezos retires owning 11% of a company he founded.


when you put it like this you cant help but feel a little sorry for the guy

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TopicBlade actor on Black Widow movie: "I'm embarrased for Scarlett"
Turtlebread
07/05/21 2:22:31 PM
#31
It did look video gamey

who tf is this guy though

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TopicHomeless man SHITS in mop bucket in NYC subway
Turtlebread
07/04/21 5:48:18 PM
#5
He coulda done it on the floor but he has good manners

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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/04/21 5:02:24 PM
#240
There are plenty of studies with seemingly contradictory results, the only way to make up your mind here is to weigh the individual studies each of these meta studies have included.

Addressing bone health, your study includes mostly urine calcium studies and one cohort forearm fracture study from 1986. The one Ive posted includes 36 studies, most of which are cohort fracture studies for various parts of the body.

Excess urine calcium is also not a convincing indicator of bone disorder. Its been shown that increased urine calcium resulting from a high protein diet is a result of increased calcium absorption. The increase is just excess dietary calcium:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22127335/

Knowing these facts, which study are you more inclined to believe regarding this particular point?


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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/04/21 3:54:10 PM
#238
That last sentence is comedy gold.

I guess if were not against repeating ourselves these can stay here too.

Bone health:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28404575/
Current evidence shows no adverse effects of higher protein intakes. Although there were positive trends on BMD at most bone sites, only the LS showed moderate evidence to support benefits of higher protein intake.

Renal, hepatic, cardiovascular health:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26797090/
When protein intake is2gperkgBW per day, there is little evidence of intestinal, hepatic, renal orcardiovascular dysfunction in healthy people.




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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/04/21 3:27:46 PM
#236
Lol get over yourself

Youve fallen flat on your face in any attempt to rebut the studies posted here

and no, I suspect you love repeating yourself because thats all youve done all topic

not sure how you expect to convince anyone with this tactic


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TopicRewatching winter soldier in time for black widow
Turtlebread
07/04/21 10:16:07 AM
#2
good observation

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TopicMy piece of shit neighbour keeps playing his acoustic guitar
Turtlebread
07/04/21 10:05:50 AM
#7
lol thats hilarious

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TopicWhat's the most American game you own?
Turtlebread
07/04/21 7:59:02 AM
#2
gta v probably

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TopicI had sex with a mixed race girl at the cinema two or three years ago.
Turtlebread
07/03/21 2:39:10 PM
#13
TopicI had sex with a mixed race girl at the cinema two or three years ago.
Turtlebread
07/03/21 2:27:41 PM
#9
What mixed races was she

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TopicWelp. Just found out im part bri-ish :(
Turtlebread
07/03/21 12:29:32 PM
#15
What were you expecting

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TopicIs a cop playing music to stop videos of him being posted on youtube
Turtlebread
07/03/21 11:07:32 AM
#19
can't you easily filter this out if you know what song it is

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TopicSo was Bannerlord worth the wait?
Turtlebread
07/03/21 3:05:05 AM
#2
It's gotten pretty good.

I get burnt out on it quickly though, I think the AI still isn't good enough to keep me hooked on the combat.

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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/03/21 2:18:26 AM
#232
Xenozoa425 posted...
It's literally in one of the links I posted earlier.

Xenozoa425 posted...

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/126929/

*Disorders of bone and calcium homeostasis (can start happening in as little as 6 weeks)
*Disorders of renal function
*Increased cancer risk
*Disorders of liver function
*Precipitated progression of coronary artery disease


Every one of these points has literally been refuted by more recent studies, or deliberately misconstrued (in the case of the cancer risk).

Bone health:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28404575/
Current evidence shows no adverse effects of higher protein intakes. Although there were positive trends on BMD at most bone sites, only the LS showed moderate evidence to support benefits of higher protein intake.

Renal, hepatic, cardiovascular health:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26797090/
When protein intake is2gperkgBW per day, there is little evidence of intestinal, hepatic, renal orcardiovascular dysfunction in healthy people.

Increased cancer risk:
The risk associated with high protein in the study you posted stems from increased consumption of processed meat, which everyone should know has a cancer risk. There is no direct evidence that protein itself causes cancer.

Stop fearmongering.

Xenozoa425 posted...
You also cannot disregard the simple fact that if you want to build muscle on 2g/kg/day of protein, you need to maintain that intake of 2g/kg/day in order to retain your new muscle, or potentially increase the intake of even more protein as your lean mass grows. And as soon as you stop taking in all that protein for a period of time, the progress will start to go away. This is a super dangerous and predatory scenario for the average individual that is not experienced with sports nutrition, becausr they are being deceived to buy expensive supplements and pills and powders that they cannot sustain long-term, both in lifestyle changes themselves and the physical effects on the body.

Pretty much no one is recommending you to increase protein intake in response to muscle growth. The only reason you'd want to increase protein to maintain muscle is in the case of a weight loss program. High protein diets have a protective effect on muscles during caloric restriction.


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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/02/21 5:36:07 PM
#211
There isnt sufficient evidence that a chronically high protein diet leads to issues in healthy individuals.

You may enjoy up to 2g/kg of bodyweight per day, depending on your goals.


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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/02/21 12:34:08 PM
#207
TopicXCOM 2 Legendary Ironman
Turtlebread
07/02/21 12:31:16 PM
#1
Got a Flawless on the first retaliation mission with a four man squad and chosen assassin, 100% hit rate. Im so proud of this team .

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TopicSo I took a full 120 question 60 minute long MAT sample.
Turtlebread
07/02/21 2:23:34 AM
#2
Bruh I got 120/120 it wasnt even hard

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TopicWhy are swords so cool?
Turtlebread
07/02/21 1:52:48 AM
#15
Wii_Shaker posted...
I mean, each weapon has it's practical use.

I imagine it would be easier to train an army on swords than anything else.

most armies were made of spears cause it was the easiest weapon to train peasants with


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TopicWhy are swords so cool?
Turtlebread
07/02/21 1:45:57 AM
#8
Bad_Mojo posted...
You can't base an opinion on science.


shut the fuck up

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TopicWhy are swords so cool?
Turtlebread
07/02/21 1:44:45 AM
#5
Spears are actually cooler according to various scientists

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Topici haven't fapped in a month and I've been on an artistic streak
Turtlebread
07/02/21 1:29:18 AM
#8
This isnt good for your prostrate fam

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Topic"So what do you do in your free time?"
Turtlebread
07/01/21 5:46:11 PM
#15
whatd you do this weekend

it should be acceptable to say I played video games for 14 hours straight


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Topic2 out of 3 dudes go bald by 35
Turtlebread
07/01/21 5:36:30 PM
#54
Wtf there are so many bald people on CE

I thought the statistic was made up

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TopicIs Kingdom Come: Deliverance worth buying? It's $13 on Steam w/ all expansions
Turtlebread
07/01/21 3:40:59 PM
#12
man I wish I didn't buy it for $60

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TopicI started Kingdom Come: Deliverance tonight
Turtlebread
07/01/21 3:40:30 PM
#16
i feel quite hungry

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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
07/01/21 3:12:52 PM
#200
no but that wasnt the point of the study

theres plenty of other studies that do though

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TopicI'd be really nervous if I ever had the chance to go to South Korea or Japan.
Turtlebread
07/01/21 2:45:38 PM
#4
I went to Korea for a week and made out with three girls in hongdae clubs

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TopicHave a hookup date with a hot Asian milf tonight
Turtlebread
07/01/21 2:43:41 PM
#8
Damn nice is she on the pill

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TopicSo who will be Spider-man when they reboot it in 2026?
Turtlebread
07/01/21 10:52:23 AM
#2
TopicJ-POP vs K-POP?
Turtlebread
07/01/21 4:24:26 AM
#9
Plenty of J Pop has interesting chord progressions

just ask marty friedman

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TopicI got a free gym membership at the best gym in town now
Turtlebread
07/01/21 12:19:16 AM
#2
TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
06/30/21 11:31:57 PM
#195
A primary and novel finding of our study is that a high-protein diet (2.5 gkg1day1) significantly increased FFM compared with a lower-protein diet (0.9 gkg1day1) in the cohort of aspiring female physique athletes.

Another important finding from the study was the high-protein group lost a significant amount of fat mass, whereas reductions in the low-protein group were not statistically significant.

and the low protein group was eating 0.9g/kg/day, which according to you is way too much

this study doesnt help your case


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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
06/30/21 2:15:55 PM
#191
Xenozoa425 posted...
You didn't read the end of the study nor my post then. Both groups lost fat mass and gained lean muscle. Both groups still had the same relative level of strength after 8 weeks, even though one group ate far less protein than the other. If you can get the same or similar results without having to eat that much protein, then you don't need to eat that much protein.

It wasnt the same result lol.

In aspiring female physique athletes, a higher protein diet is superior to a lower protein diet in terms of increasing fat-free mass in conjunction with a resistance training program.

Fat mass didnt decrease at all for the LP group. Its right there in the abstract.


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TopicAre there still employers that ask you to name a weakness?
Turtlebread
06/30/21 1:37:29 PM
#2
TopicWtf??? I saw an old, hella fit, hella buff dude jogging practically naked
Turtlebread
06/30/21 1:27:00 PM
#3
hes ready to fuck

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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
06/30/21 1:02:33 PM
#187
Xenozoa425 posted...
A guy earlier in the thread already posted a link that proved my point about adequate (low) protein vs high protein.

the LP group didnt get much leaner, while the HP group lost fat mass and put on more lean mass

from this study alone there is obviously a benefit here for some people

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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
06/30/21 12:35:27 PM
#183
Xenozoa425 posted...
As opposed to the person that is guzzling down astronomical amounts of protein?

The most important macro is carbs, not protein.

theres just too much evidence that contradicts you dude

eating more than 0.6g of protein per kg of bodyweight isnt going to do anything to your kidneys, in fact you can safely eat up to 2g/kg

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26797090/


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TopicDiet/workout experts - does protein really make a difference?
Turtlebread
06/30/21 12:11:41 PM
#181
Xenozoa425 posted...
Water will make the oatmeal taste bland, you should definitely use a milk of your choice. One or two tsp of sugar is fine, it's only 5-10 calories and is better than most of the alternatives out there. A little bit of sugar is not going to harm you, especially when a lot of complex carbs and fiber is involved and slows down the speed of absorption. I personally prefer soy and almond milks.

60g is more than enough, with a huge margin of safety, for the fitness needs of a 140lb male. No one should really be eating more protein than 0.8g/kg of mass, or 0.34g/lb of weight. In all honesty, all the protein anyone will ever need can be gotten from carb sources, I say this as a vegan that is able to put on lean mass and easily maintain, even without working out for a few weeks or not eating tons of protein every day.

There's no storage bank for protein in the body like there is for fat and carbs. Eating more than your body can handle every day will end up hurting your kidneys and put your body in a very slow diet-induced state of metabolic acidosis.

you probably shouldnt listen to this guy if your goal is to get strong


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TopicWhat are some examples of intelligent villains?
Turtlebread
06/29/21 10:23:56 AM
#2
ozymandias is teh smartest man ever

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Topicserj tankian used the r word
Turtlebread
06/28/21 8:33:04 AM
#6
I used it 5 minutes ago

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TopicLife is effing tough man
Turtlebread
06/25/21 5:31:56 PM
#5
hot girls posting bikini pics on instagram

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