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Revelation34 posted...

Considering the population of America it would be impossible to stop everybody from leaving homes.

We already proved he didn't overreact. We also proved mead can't read.

My friends and co-workers ~claim~ they would react the way I said they would but I truly wonder.
It just isn't worth the effort to go to those lengths over a damn burger. Well, maybe it depends on the burger.
I'm not throwing hands or breaking stuff or going to jail over a sandwich.

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I've told this story to a few friends and co-workers now and about half of them tell me they would have done at least one of the following:

1) Demanded service and not left until they got it
2) Caused a huge scene and busted stuff
3) Knocked the dude's teeth out
4) Picked up the piece of paper with the rules on it and stuffed it down the guy's throat
5) Called corporate and demanded that guy gets fired
6) Started coughing all over the guy to see how much more panicked he'd get.

But many of you people think I'M the one that's overreacting.
Precious.

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LinkPizza posted...

Stores are still getting deliveries. People just wait for the store to open and buy out everything before others can because they think this is the end of times. That actually is a problem... But for the virus, it's not so much that it lingers, but that it cause a lot of respiratory issues. Also, there are some people who do have to be concerned of death. Older people and people with certain health issue do have a higher chance to die. But I believe a bunch of people have the chance to have respiratory issues for life... For truck drivers, it depends on the place. Some places might let them use the drive-thru to walk and get food. Also, many places still allow carry-out. As for the drivers, I think they are guaranteed to get paid. I know many who wouldn't keep driving if they weren't making any money. A co-worker of mine is talking about how his truck driving parents are making more because of the virus.

Sure, some drivers are probably making more but the overwhelming majority of regional and long-haul drivers are paid by the mile and get a pittance when there are no loads. They have to sit for quite some time before they start getting paid "lay over" pay and it's not very much, maybe $30/day in some cases. That's going to affect their next paycheck pretty badly when it can take 36 hours of sitting doing nothing to even START getting lay over pay. Then they have to sit for another 24 hours to get the pay. So, if they sit for 40-50 hours they get nothing. The only minor upside is that the clock is always rolling. There's no "8 hour" clock in trucking. All 24 hours of the day count. Usually this happens when you're hundreds of miles from home and parked somewhere that you think is going to be temporary and has terrible food and worse amenities.

I saw four tractors with no trailers sitting at a small truck stop yesterday all from the same company. Those guys are there likely because Whirlpool shut down. It's one thing to have an empty trailer and no load, it's an entirely new and much more difficult problem when you don't even have a trailer to load anything on. Four of them sitting there tells me their dispatch is overwhelmed with these issues. They'll likely have to go get empty trailers out of that facility and go elsewhere. This, in turn, will cause a problem at Whirlpool when they start loading trucks again as there won't be any empties on their lot. It's a snowball effect that 99% of the population has no idea goes on. This of course, in turn, will slow down the line at the businesses that want Whirlpool appliances, etc.

By the way, I've personally been turned away many times from drive-through windows because they won't take walk-up orders. You simply can't get a semi-trailer through a drive through so you try to appeal to their humanity but rules are rules and many nights a driver can be hungry for hours searching for something decent besides eating another shitty McDonald's meal. That problem, from what I understand, is continuing now and with the insides of truck stops being shut down and walk-in orders at many restaurants being the only way to order then truck drivers are truly being punished. I don't run long any more and get home every night and don't have this problem. I don't think I could ever go back on the road like that and tolerate the lack of choices. People wonder why the trucking industry can't keep drivers.

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LinkPizza posted...

While I'm do think it's may be a little overreaction, you have to remember that it's ONE confirmed. Many others could have it and just don't know it yet. And could be spreading it pretty fast. Not to mention, I don't think everyone is worried about just death. But what could happen after the virus is gone...

It may very well linger like the flu does. It just seems to come back around about once a year. All this fretting isn't going to help anything. Unfortunately, the supply chains are coming to a standstill due to a bit of overreaction on the part of shippers and receivers. I'm reading that truck drivers aren't being allowed in buildings to make or pick up deliveries. Truck drivers are being turned away at rest stops and truck stops and can't find places to park to rest or get anything to eat. I'm seeing more and more trucks just randomly parked on the sides of highways which greatly increases the risk of crashes. Most of us are decent and experienced enough to deal with these problems, shrug our shoulders and move on but there's PLENTY of rookie drivers that have never dealt with this and are losing their minds as their paychecks aren't guaranteed and with far less places to park and eat which are already drastically limited it's breaking them. The country-wide shortage of truck drivers is only going to get worse.

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Mead posted...

You seem solely focused on the death toll. We have a vaccine for the flu, we dont for this.

I know we have a vaccine for the flu and despite that between 30,000 in a "good" year and 85,000+ die in a "bad" year WITH the vaccine in the United States, alone. This is why I'm focused on the death toll. It's very possible millions or even hundreds of millions will be infected world-wide but based on the numbers of those that actually died it seems like a gross overreaction to the situation. The news media, not necessarily social media, is mostly to blame for this. They're turning this in to some crazy baseball game apocalypse and it never had to get that way.

There's ONE case in my city now. One. In a city of 220,000 people there's ONE person with this virus. The reaction of the State doesn't warrant this level of lockdown and hysteria.


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If anyone cares, I told a couple friends about what happened and they both told me to call a daytime manager. I did and the manager pretty much said the dude on the night shift didn't act appropriately. That guy was wrong and he should have taken my order. I didn't ask for anything in return, I just wanted to know what the policy is supposed to be. Manager said that someone may place an order and then be told to go either outside or to their car to wait so people aren't piling up in the "foyer" area.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Nah, Mead's only wrong 30% of the time. The other 70% of the time he's deliberately trolling.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Mead posted...

then you really dont get what is going on

No, I don't think YOU do. You've been proven on this thread alone to be wrong 100% of the time. Anything you say at this point just further proves it.

30,000 dead from the flu last year.
38,000 dead from car crashes
600,000 dead from cancer
850,000 dead from heart disease.

No country-wide crazy-ass lockdown.

86 dead from COVID-19 and suddenly Congress needs to spend 750 BILLION DOLLARS! WOW!

One of these things is not like the other. This is what we call "exploitation" and "overreacting".

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"All" of the places in my city right now are doing the "carry out and drive through only" thing. Doors are open and you walk in to place an order. I prefer to NOT use the drive through and talk with someone face to face so I know they aren't distracted by everything under the sun and screwing up my order like McDonald's usually does. I only eat out a few times a year since I work very late hours and Steak & Shake is great because you can order and then sit there and talk to the people behind the counter or the on-duty police officer chilling out.

I get what's going on. I still think it's a HUGE overreaction to the situation. Where was the shut down of the country when 30,000 people died last year from the flu? There's less than a hundred dead from this virus and we're treating it like SARS or Ebola. Hell, we didn't even treat Ebola like Ebola when Obama was the president. It got swept under the rug and everyone seems to have forgotten about it.

If the virus is that highly contagious and remotely dangerous then CLOSE and LOCK THE DOORS and don't allow anyone inside and put signs up saying as such and quarantine the whole city or State for that matter.

I'm gonna have to keep on going to work since I drive a truck for a living. All you people would likely be dead in four days without deliveries to all the places everyone goes to and never thinks about supply lines or anything else that keeps this country from turning in to what it currently looks like. It's starting to remind me of Venezuela or Cuba in the stores and the news media making everyone panic certainly isn't helping anything.

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Mead posted...

The sign could have been more clear but even TC clarified that it said the dining room was closed. No sense in being outraged over something so pedantic.

Calling what I wrote "pedantic" again makes me believe you only understood what you wanted and didn't read what I wrote. I stood there for almost fifteen minutes BEFORE the guy got quasi-hostile. My reaction would have been quite different had he said something within a couple minutes of me coming through the door. The guy SAW me enter the place. He did nothing. He waiting until he cooked all that food and then decided to read me the riot act. I think my reaction was quite subdued. In fact, the dining area to the restaurant had a bunch of stuff in front of it so you couldn't wander around but the entrance way was completely clear right to the counter. I didn't even sit down at the counter and I was in full view the entire time.

If what the sign says and someones' flipping-over-the-piece-of-paper-and-changing-the-rules because-you're-ignorant-and-can't-read-what-the-manager-put-there don't jive then I'm going to question that person's actions. If the sign said "INSIDE CLOSED -- DRIVE THROUGH ONLY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE" I'd never have gone in.

Funny thing, in many of these States I'm hearing exactly the same thing. Not that the people working there are this dense but that "drive through and carry out" is open but the dining area is closed. You know, none of this would've even happened had the guy not acted like he has never seen another human being before. No wonder this guy probably only works the griddle and never talks to people, since he's clearly unhinged.

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Mead posted...

You were 100% in the wrong in this situation

The sign said the indoor part of the restaurant was closed. Now they probably should have locked the door but it was still a total asshole move to ignore the sign, go inside, and then act like an angry child when you didnt get your way.

Did I not just say they were doing CARRY OUT orders? Did you even read what I posted? It was on the DOOR and on the COUNTER.

Sounds like the 'asshole move' is your lack of reading comprehension.

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Okay, rant time. I work nights and not much is open when I go home. Couple fast food restaurants, few 24 hour grocery stores, whatever.

This virus thing isn't even in our area and the whole city is on some sort of psycho-hell-lockdown thing. I do my shopping about twice a month or so, no big deal. Don't need bread which is a good thing because for some reason the forty million loaves of bread that are usually on the shelves are ALL GONE. Every single fucking one of them. It's like the store just opened. Same thing for the toilet paper isle. You'd think the apocalypse just took place.

For the love of all that's fucking holy, 35 people have died from this "pandemic" here in the USA. That's it, just 35. I think 35 people probably died from falling down the stairs just this afternoon between 1pm and 2pm. This is completely out of hand.

Now, on the to the story you all probably want because otherwise why would I waste my time? I'm generally laughing at the people that are acting like it's the total end of the world except this time I came across one at one of my long-time favorite places to eat.

Again, I work late and hardly anything is open. There's a shitty 24 hour McDonald's that's way out of my way and I'm not driving way over there just to eat.... McDonald's. Plus, I can't stand eating there more than maybe three times a year. They never get my order right, they're slow as molasses in any cold weather month, I've NEVER seen the same people working there but that's a "whole 'nother" story.

I've been wanting some Steak & Shake for over a week and since I'm already just a mile away shopping for groceries I'll just head over there and pick up a couple burgers and an order of fries. Sounds good to me, I don't feel like cooking anything tonight. Lots of people in my area think S&S is pretty meh since it's relatively new to my area but I grew up in a different city and it was always around. I move a few times, no thanks to my parents and S&S is history and the only time we get to eat it is if we're visiting family, which is barely a couple times a year. Now there's one in my city and I eat there a couple/few times a year and I don't even have to drive that far to get there. It's only a few miles and it's great.

So, I get there and the place looks deserted, which is completely rare but I understand the circumstances. Another vehicle goes around to the drive-through but I don't like the drive-through at S&S because it's just impersonal and I grew up with this place and always go inside. I want to talk to a person that can understand me and make sure they hear what I'm saying. We all know how those speakers translate everything in to a foreign language when you talk in to them.

I park and get out of my car and the sign on the outside says: DINING ROOM TEMPORARILY CLOSED - DRIVE THROUGH AND CARRY OUT ORDERS ONLY. Okay, well, if the door's locked then I'll go through the drive through, or maybe I'll just skip it since food prep at S&S is not particularly quick and I'd rather not sit in my car....... I try the "airlock" outside door and, surprise, it opens. I try the next door and, surprise, it opens too. There's a printed note right on the counter that says something about how, again, and I'm paraphrasing, "due to the State governor's requests the dining room is temporarily closed but the drive through will remain open and carry out orders will be filled, thanks for your understand, blah blah blah, stay safe, etc."

There seems to be ONE guy working in this place. He doesn't acknowledge me in any way, just takes the order from the guy in the SUV on the speaker. Also, he doesn't really seem to understand what the guy is telling him which furthers my reason for not using the drive-through.

Nearly FIFTEEN minutes later after this guy cooks this guy's food, takes the guy's money and packs up all the food ordered he FINALLY comes to the counter where I haven't said anything up to this point. Guy's alone and demanding service is just extremely rude in my book.

"You're exaggerating! How do you know it's been close to fifteen minutes?"
Because by this time FIVE songs have played on the muzak since I've been standing there at the counter. Otherwise, I likely would never have known.

So, the guy comes over towards the counter, wildly pointing and yelling something to the effect of, "You can't be in here! You can't be in this area at all! We aren't serving anyone right now except drive through!"

I'm sure I had a shocked/questioning/confused/WTF look on my face and replied with, "Yeah, I know you're doing 'dine in', I'm just getting a 'carry out' order."

He interrupts with another barrage of, "You CAN'T be in here!"

I again replied with something to the effect of, "It says "carry out and drive through ONLY, and I just want to place a 'carry out' order NOT dine in."

He yells, "Where does it say that? The sign on the door outside says no one can come in the building!"

I said, pointing at the piece of paper on the counter RIGHT NEXT TO HIM, "It says you're taking carry out orders RIGHT THERE ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER."

He takes the piece of paper ....... AND FLIPS IT OVER..... and says, "Forget what this says, the sign says that you....."

At this point I start walking out. On my way to the door I say, "Would've been nice if you said all this ten minutes ago instead of me standing in here and wasting all my time."

He yells at me, "WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!"

I interrupt him and say, "Forget it. Just forget it dude." I'm not buying any food from here tonight.

I'm at the door heading out and the guy at the drive through window is parked right by the door instead of at the window. He says something smarmy like, "I'm not going to serve you if you keep it up."

Really, nutjob?

He goes over to the car waiting outside and starts to give them their food and once again, argumentatively says, "The sign on the door says you can't be in here, drive through only."

VERY annoyed at this point I tap the glass on the door loudly with my finger and point right to where it says in BIG LETTERS: DRIVE THROUGH AND CARRY OUT ONLY -- DINING ROOM TEMPORARILY CLOSED and say, "It says RIGHT HERE, CARRY OUT!" and then go to my car.

He yells something else but I yell over him with another, "Forget it, just forget it!"

If I can't be in the place WHY THE HELL IS THE DOOR UNLOCKED, GENIUS?! Wish I would have said that before I left, but whatever. I'm not in to picking fights with demagogues. And all this because a tiny handful of people

Mead posted...

I still think Bernie would be better for the country overall but when I look at Bidens stances its obvious hed still have a very progressive administration

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

I'll never understand anyone that wants to willingly vote away their own liberty.

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Got that right. Skies of Arcadia was spectacular but it's a tough sell for a console with one great RPG. It also had the redux of PSO which I put hundreds of hours in and I more or less enjoyed Wind Waker but I doubt I'll ever want to play it again.

A "new" GameCube with internal memory and full-size BluRays should be their next system. No more of these super tiny game carts. Let's hope they don't stop supporting it as soon as they release it.

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Final Fantasy2389 posted...

Hoping Nintendo sticks to the portable console hybrid with their next system in 2-3 years.

I was thinking I'd initially disagree with this as I think I'd rather see a normal console from Nintendo but I think I'll agree with your statement. I don't really use the portable aspect of my Switch but I certainly appreciate that I can take it with me if I want to. I guess it's pretty much the only singular console that can do that without buying many additional things, like say the Vita and the PS4's "remote play" function.

I'd love to see Nintendo come out with a really powerful, competitive console like they did back with the SNES that competed directly with the Genesis and that has been sorely lacking since the release of the GameCube which I think was a fantastic system. I'd like to see something as powerful or nearly as powerful as these new systems coming around the end of the year with some modicum of portability and with new technology we certainly didn't have twenty years ago it should be possible. Tablets and smartphones that are as insanely powerful as they are today should make easy platforms for consoles to have smaller footprints.


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Veedrock- posted...

"Intentionally lowered the score because I'm not a fanboy."

Reminds me of an old history teacher that gave me a B overall despite getting 100 on the final. Dude had it out for me.

If you put something in quotes that wasn't actually said that makes you a liar and propagandist, although your overall comment is humorous.

I love the NES, SNES and the GameCube. Incredible systems and I love the games for them. Didn't care for the GameBoy, really, even though I owned one, Virtual Boy was a disaster, DS was alright but I wanted a bigger screen or something to plug it in to my TV like the cable for the PSP, I owned two DS XLs because one had the screen quit on me and I never jumped on the N64 train. Those were good systems and others may think the ones I listed that I didn't particularly care for were terrific but it's opinion both ways. I'm not a fanboy and it doesn't affect my rating, it just makes it circumspect.

I found another post that pretty much said something like, "I'm a fanboy and I give the Switch an A." Thanks, no bias at all there. That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. Time will ultimately tell if Nintendo walks away from the Switch. I sincerely hope not as it's pretty much the only supported console they have right now. Maybe when the PS5 and the Xbox Series X comes out they'll come out with another novelty when their sales dip and that would be disappointing.

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fatbaldguy0 posted...

You said it. This is my biggest disappointment with the Switch and the NO service as a whole. Virtual Console was a beautiful thing on Wii and feels like they've taken a serious step back in terms of offering emulation for all the previous consoles' content. Here's hoping they reverse course on this and bring it all back.

I wish Switch also had the ability to stream Netflix and other services as well, but I do understand the limitations here around battery life.

I'll be more than happy to rate the Switch A+ if they bring back the Virtual Console store. Due to financial reasons I completely missed the boat. There's a bunch of games that came over here from Japan that got translated that I can only find Japanese ROMs for. I don't read Japanese and only know a little of the language and I'm not going to spend ten years learning it so I can play a twenty year old game.

I don't even mean the N64 games as I'm really not all that impressed with that console. That wasn't really my "grow up" console generation. I'm more of a NES/SNES/Genesis/TG-16 person and the CD games that came out for Sega/Mega CD, Turbo Duo, Saturn, etc. I can't remember every title off the top of my head but I know there's at least one odd Ys game in there among some other obscure titles. I'm no collector, I'm just interested in playing some games I never got my hands on years ago.

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I got a Switch a few months ago, long after release and it's a nifty little thing. I don't use it at all for portable gaming since I don't have the time. I use it plugged in to a 55 inch HDTV and got me one of those "Pro" controllers (it's an Xbox controller with all the buttons in the wrong place, terribly renamed).

I can only give it a "C" because:

A) I'm not a fanboy.
B) They closed the store that had all the Virtual Console stuff on it.

I didn't have the money for quite some time to get the Wii or Wii U and I wanted a Wii U because I wanted Virtual Console not because I wanted the "must have" games. I'm in to older stuff since that's what I grew up with and there's dozens of terrific games that either never came to the States or came out on really obscure consoles at the time that I didn't have. I don't know what Nintendo was thinking when they not only didn't have VC for Switch but also decided to shut the whole thing down recently so even if I went and got a used Wii U (which honestly, can I even trust it?) I wouldn't be able to log in to VC and spend hundreds of dollars on older titles I've been searching for and wanting to play for many years.

Yes, there's a free "Nintendo NES/SNES Virtual Console" but I want those weird titles from the late 90's.

Well, Nintendo, sorry about your choice. Switch is OKAY and will not be much better since it's already terribly underpowered compared to the PS4, Xbox One and now certainly the Xbox One X, Series X and the PS5. Is this just another strange curiosity like the Virtual Boy? I hope not. I don't care for the "childishness" of the Nintendo Switch's store but I tolerate it so I can get stuff that's not on the other two consoles. Also, it seems Switch is currently plagued with tons of what I'll call "shit-ware" where Indy designers copy other games and slap a new name on it with less than half the features and sell it for $3. This is a little insulting. I got a Switch, not an iPhone.

Anywho, the several games I have ARE terrific and unavailable on the other platforms. Blaster Master Zero, BMZ2, the remakes of the Dragon Quest 1-2-3 games, Octopath Traveler, Dragon Quest 11 S and a few others. These are good, good titles. I sincerely hope this system isn't tossed aside like so much other Nintendo hardware. Please don't be Sega.

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