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TheMikh posted...

what if we just abolish taxes

Taxation is theft.

Laying claim to the fruits of another man's labor is slavery as far as I'm concerned.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

gold isnt real either sorry man

we should totally end the fed tho

I mean gold is certainly real, I am holding it right now. What do you think is better than gold standard? Bartering?

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Irony posted...

I think Laphroaig 10 is my most expensive whiskey

And it's delicious.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

money isnt real

End the fed and bring back the gold standard!

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Antifar posted...

It could be, if there's an opposition willing and able to highlight it.

Anytime a tax cut is brought up the republicans should be hit over the head with "any tax cut without a corresponding cut to the budget isn't a tax cut, it's a tax on your children's children, shirking responsibility and kicking the can down the road." I get that democrats don't really want to cut programs but I also don't get how they let Republicans pretend to be for fiscal responsibility and a balanced budget.

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SiO4 posted...

The US just does everything wrong...the sooner you get that through your head the better.

Unless it mass shootings, for some untold reason we excel at that.

We excel at raising children who insult America and felate Europe in order to look cultured.

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Im guessing so don't quote me but my guess, especially with big companies is so they can keep records and defend themselves if someone brings about a discrimination lawsuit.

Let's say a white guy doesn't get hired, sues them alleging he wasn't hired because he's white and then target goes well according to our records we've hired 350 white guys at that store over the last 5 years which is 86% of white applicants.

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Time_Rider posted...

still going. Triggered af

You do seem that way.

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Misinterpreted what? I stated from the beginning that it was technically constitutional and that I disagreed with them.

You bending over backwards to bow down to federal overlords is embarrassing.

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Idk what qualifies as expensive.

I've got a bottle of Midleton rare or very rare or something that was expensive. I think almost 200 for the bottle.

I've got a few bottles of lagavulin around 80.

A couple bottles of jameson distiller reserves that were around 60-80 after conversion.

I have a few scotches that I'm not sure that were game of thrones edition for different houses that ranged 30-60.

Then a bunch of cheap stuff.

Jameson caskmates ipa is gold at 20-25 dollars.

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I've had days where I absolutely crushed it but i almost always end up sucking. So maybe win 1 if I get extremely lucky with category and opponent but most likely get stomped.

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Reading this

"They're obviously both "constitutional" in a legal sense because the Supreme Court said so.
That said the Supreme Court said in its decision about dui check points that it was a technical violation of the 4th amendment and that they it was minor so they would rule for public safety."

And saying, "no they said it falls within the 4th amendment because public safety overrides the inconvenience of the drivers"

Is the epitome of looking for a gotcha moment. Take the L, lick some boots and move on.


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"At least now you know that the Supreme court did NOT say it violated the 4th, but public safety supercedes; they said it falls WITHIN the 4th. Literally the opposite of what you claimed in post 40 (totally incorrect). You were 100% wrong and it was fun to school you. This will happen every time you decide to get into a debate over a subject that you are not familiar with."

I mean I'd read this case several times before today but thanks for your concern.

My first post was any case that the Supreme Court decided to disregard the constitution . Since they decide what's constitutional it should be pretty clear to most reasonable people that I disagree with them.

As for post 40, I reiterate that, say that it's obviously constitutional in a legal sense since the Supreme Court ruled it. I supposed I flubbed the language a bit saying that the court said a minor violation of the 4th amendment was ok in the interest of public safety. I suppose that could have been worded better but especially given that I already stated the court said it was constitutional that it reads pretty easy to most people. I'm gonna assume you looked it up on Wikipedia and were looking for a gotcha moment and that you're not actually having difficulty understanding.


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Time_Rider posted...

Literally the topic, but let's move on to your red herring:

No they fucking didn't. The supreme court literally said that despite their intrusion, DUI checkpoints do not violate the 4th amendment. They ruled that DUI checkpoints are absolutely legal under the 4th. You literally made your own little DUI checkpoint scenario up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Department_of_State_Police_v._Sitz

"Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990), was a United States Supreme Court case involving the constitutionality of police sobriety checkpoints. The Court held 6-3 that these checkpoints met the Fourth Amendment standard of "reasonable search and seizure."

Get wrecked. Why make shit up?

Yes it's the literally the topic which has been referenced with 1st amendment and assembly repeatedly but for some reason you thought it had to do with the fourth.

I've also said that they are both constitutional because the courts found public safety to overrule the constitution.

Rehnquist said that it was a seizure and that under some circumstances would be considered unreasonable but that balancing public good vs the inconvenience he found it to be reasonable as did the majority.

That said the trial court, MI appellate court and other members of the Supreme Court felt differently.

Including the dissenting opinion that said the court defaulted to the government instead of making them prove their worth.

Do you think that the only people on the planet that can make read the constitution were the people of the majority decision? People can disagree on things. Hell Supreme Court decisions have been overturned.

I can't tell if you're intentionally misreading things. Well played. Get wrecked.

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Time_Rider posted...

No, you clearly don't. DUI checkpoints nor lockdown violate the 4th amendment. You're just wrong, still. You are woefully unfamiliar with the Constitution.

Noone ever said the lockdown violates the 4th amendment. Seems that you are woefully unfamiliar with the English language.

Dui check points 100% violate the 4th amendment. The Supreme Court that made dui check points legal said they were a violation of the 4th amendment but that the public safety outweighed the inconvenience and intrusion.

Seems you are woefully unfamiliar with the Constitution.

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Time_Rider posted...

*Nobody cares about fucking DUI checkpoints, stop fucking drinking and driving if this is an issue to you. take your red herring elsewhere. Not even close to a related issue*

Oh, you finally admit lockdown is Constitutional!

And you got it backwards, of course: assembly is a clear violation of lockdown, which takes precedence because public health is given the more important status here. That being said, they should be fining every one of those losers.

You really should learn more about the country you live in, tbh.

It was brought up because it's the same thing. A violation of the constitution that the courts have called legal. It has nothing to do with drinking and driving and everything to do with our rights.

The 4th amendment is more important than catching a couple duis and the 1st amendment is more important than this.

I've never said they weren't legal. They are made legal by court decisions despite clearly violating the constitution.

I know my country fine. You should work on loving freedom instead of acting like Trump.

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Antifar posted...

Could've fooled me.

You truly are just like Trump. Insulting those you disagree with and being an enemy of freedom.

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VipaGTS posted...

Because continuing to spread a disease that is killing thousands is protecting the people.

The damage to the economy is more dangerous and allowing the government this level of control over people's lives is far more dangerous.

Time_Rider posted...

Again, wrong. If any of those are against the 4th amendment, please cite evidence or a case instead of just repeating it. Quarantine measures and shut down are NOT unconstitutional, it's just that you don't know what you're talking about.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/18/states-police-power-coronavirus-135826

You're literally just wrong lol

They're obviously both "constitutional" in a legal sense because the Supreme Court said so.

That said the Supreme Court said in its decision about dui check points that it was a technical violation of the 4th amendment and that they it was minor so they would rule for public safety.

A lockdown is a clear violation of the right to assemble. Just because a court says its OK doesn't mean it is nor should the constitution be your end all be all.

Go back to worshiping Trump and you're giant government mommy.

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VipaGTS posted...

I really dont think this as organized or thought out as youre making it sound. Its just people who want to be able to leave the house. Whether their reason is freedom or haircuts, these protests are just a bunch of random people coming together with separate ideas but the same goal. I see no reason why the people who just want to be able to go the mall again shouldnt be talked about. Just because it makes the protest look dumber doesnt mean they arent seemingly making up a significant part of the population.

I actually think that whether its haircut, massage, going to the theater etc makes the whole thing more powerful because it's specific and not a big idea, whether purposeful or not. Those were just the ones I keep seeing made fun of.

Intro2Logic posted...

Wouldn't it say "I want to massage" rather than "I want a massage?"

I think we should take these people at their word instead of assuming motivations they haven't given us. And mostly their word suggests not a desire to go back to work, but a desire for others to go back to working for them.

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/status/1252277972901527555?s=19

They didn't want to embarrass themselves and let the world know they were broke and needed work man. To save his pride he acted as if he was the customer. It's heart breaking.

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Time_Rider posted...

Hahahahaha. No it fucking isn't.

I knew you were an enemy of the Constitution of both the US and your state, just like Trump. Fake patriots.

Glad we got you on record with your disdain for Constitutions that you pretend to love

Dui check points- it's ok to break the 4th amendment for public safety.

Lock down orders--its OK to break the 1dt amendment for public safety.

Same thing.

I've never claimed to love or distain the constitution. I love it insofar that it limits the govenerment, if it doesn't or its bent then it's useless.

You sound like a fake patriot and a lot like Trump. Distain for your countrymen and a desire to watch the government grow and trample people.

Im the opposite. I love people, want them to be free and want to limit that govenerment to protect the people.

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Intro2Logic posted...

You're right. Some of them want massages.

Haircut signs are topical, but look at the smile. He was clearly joking. Massages are totally different and it's probably masseurs trying to get back to work and feed their family.

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Time_Rider posted...

What the hell are you on about

What court decision violated what Constitution?

Any of them that affirmed a states right to quarantine people. It's like dui check points. A clear violation of the 4th amendment but the Supreme Court said its OK to break the constitution for public safety. We should be rioting.

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ZEROWOLF posted...

They should be protesting for UBI and more stimulus money instead. I swear people protest for the dumbest stuff. That's our tax money they are bailing out companies with. And they throw us a mere grand. We paid into the system, now is the time for the people to use that nest egg.

There should be no bailouts or payouts. Let it fail.

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Antifar posted...

None of these protesters gives half a shit about government debt. Give me a break.

They can claim this, but kicking people off unemployment at a time when demand for going out and gathering in crowds is one good way to tank an economy. Economists don't want a too-soon reopening.

http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/policy-for-the-covid-19-crisis/

I mean technically I'm not protesting but I care. Don't know how we can rule out if they care.

Time_Rider posted...

What a ridiculous reply. Are you literally trying to claim that state Constitutions do not give governors the power to put these orders in place?

Please go on record saying that so I can LOL.

I'm saying that court decisions that clearly violate the constitution aren't reasons not to protest.

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Antifar posted...

You shouldn't take these obviously astroturfed protests seriously. You absolutely shouldn't take them as reflective of public sentiment, or of being fueled by genuine economic anxiety. Call me when they start demanding rent cancelation and financial relief.

Furthering debt and and stealing from people? They don't want to tank the economy.

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Time_Rider posted...

STFU. No, they are not. There is literally no government overreach to protest, this is all well within the powers of every governor. If you have a problem with this, then you have a problem with the Constitution of the US and the Constitution of each state, which is no fucking surprise. You guys have proven over the last four years that you do not like the Constitution that is the law of this land.

Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, and stop depending on employers to give you money. Learn to live off the land, do something for yourself, Mr Party Of Personal Responsibility.

When have I proven not to like the constitution and where in the constitution does it give people these rights? At the bottom of the constitution does it say "void if people are scared" in fine print?

I work in a hospital so I'm doing fine. Why are you trying to tear down society and make everyone work the land. Without society and business and cooperation we're all farmers unable to even have this conversation.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Why did they support a shitty economy that cant handle an event like this? This is still their fault and they deserve everything they are going through; they voted for this repeatedly.

How did they support a shitty economy? What are they going through? What did they vote for?

Shablagoo posted...

New polls showed 70% of the protesters are people who havent lost their job and arent struggling financially.

You don't have to lose your job or struggle to care about government overreach and a tanking economy.

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VipaGTS posted...

because there are people holding signs saying they want haircuts. i saw a video of a girl crying about not being able to go to prom. there isn't one basic goal here (well ending the shut down is the goal, but there is no declared reason). they're not an organized group. its just a bunch of people protesting for different reasons

Kids are dumb.

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Is anyone actually dumb enough to believe that?

Whether you disagree or not they're clearly protesting government overreach that is causing a tanking economy that might kill more people than Covid could hope to and trillions in new debt.

Why doesnt this get characterized correctly by the left.


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