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changmas posted...

Okay, in my book there are exactly 3 possibilities:

1. Someone Abacus has scanned is scum but scans innocent. This means Sultan and Death.
2. Abacus himself is scum. If Abacus is in fact scum, he has no choice but to continue scanning everyone as innocent, until there are 3 players left. In this scenario, he can never return a guilty verdict, or he will be lynched immediately the following day.
3. Lea is scum. She is currently the only person in the game (aside from myself) who cannot be confirmed town by any other means.
(a very outside 4th possibility is that Ben is scum but cannot be redirected, but the odds that mafia have two of those seems low to me)

And what I think would be the best scenario in each of those cases:

1. The most effective course of action here is to lynch Ben, have me roleblock Sultan/Death and have Corrik redirect the other into someone else.
2. Corrik must redirect Abacus to someone. no other action matters here.
3. Lots of options here: we can lynch her, Abacus can check her, Corrik can redirect her or I can roleblock her.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Okay, in my book there are exactly 3 possibilities:

1. Someone Abacus has scanned is scum but scans innocent. This means Sultan and Death.
2. Abacus himself is scum. If Abacus is in fact scum, he has no choice but to continue scanning everyone as innocent, until there are 3 players left. In this scenario, he can never return a guilty verdict, or he will be lynched immediately the following day.
3. Lea is scum. She is currently the only person in the game (aside from myself) who cannot be confirmed town by any other means.

(a very outside 4th possibility is that Ben is scum but cannot be redirected, but the odds that mafia have two of those seems low to me)

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

I actually think I agree with Corrik here. From my perspective:

Town:

Confirmed by me:
Myself
Corrik

Confirmed by Corrik:
Ben

Confirmed by Abacus:
Death
Sultan

And then the last two are Abacus himself and Lea.


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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

changmas posted...

My only question with Lea is, if she is scum, how would she know to claim Yasuho Detector on Day 1? How would she even know there was a Yasuho Hirose in this?

unless she is....SCUM Yasuho Detector which would be very funny, actually

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

My only question with Lea is, if she is scum, how would she know to claim Yasuho Detector on Day 1? How would she even know there was a Yasuho Hirose in this?

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Corrik7 posted...

Possessed Ben to Lea. Lea isn't dead and plum is. Thus Ben is town.

are you 100% certain that you can redirect factional kills?

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

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anyway, I predicted Ben today as the plan dictates. any info from abacus or corrik?

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Btw mod confirmed that my roleblock happens before any redirections do, so Corrik is confirmed town.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Abacus should just check Corrik tonight then.

Starting to feel like this is scum bolt trying to sow discord and get a Ben -> Corrik lynch two days in a row to save himself and prolong the game, though.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

He would also have to guarantee that my roleblock redirected into Town Vanilla too, as failing to do that would also give him away.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Leanansidhe posted...

Perhaps, but I thought blocking Corrik was the consensus

Probably, but I very nearly changed my mind during the night. I'm just gonna ask Hb if he's allowed to clarify for me the result of a roleblocker and a redirector both targeting each other.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

essentially be impossible to roleblock*

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

fire_bolt posted...

Assume for a second Corrik is Scum Redirector. Is there some way his Redirect could bypass Chang's RB to redirect Chang to someone else, thus returning a successful result to Chang but also letting Corrik get a night kill in? Cuz the main argument for Corrik not being scum right now is that a night kill went thru when he was supposed to be blocked

Yes, that's possible actually. It depends on the ordering of actions. If redirect takes precedence over roleblocking then he could redirect my roleblock to someone else and essentially be impossible to redirect. This would also change my prediction, though.

HOWEVER, It would be extremely bold and risky of Corrik to do this and then claim he was roleblocked before I said anything. If I had targeted anyone else with my roleblock, he would instantly be dead to rights. It would have to be the absolute last hail mary.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

masterplum posted...

Has Corrik successfully redirected anyone yet? Trying to remember.

ViolentAbacus posted...

As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a confirmed case outside of what Corrik has said. I can't say for sure though.

It actually doesn't matter if he's redirector or not, though. I roleblocked him last night, and scum still killed Han.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

masterplum posted...

????????

I think he's speaking meta commentary on the setup itself, not doubting your role. He just worded it in the absolute worst way.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Corrik7 posted...

Honestly, plum being doctor seems a bit much. I didn't think one existed.

Well once we found out the bomber could only kill one person with bombs, the bomb defuser looked a whole lot weaker.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

masterplum posted...

Corrik redirect Chang plz

what does him redirecting my prediction even accomplish?

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Corrik7 posted...

Abacus I believe said he understood the framer role and was dictating his approach on the game with the understanding of how rare it was... that's an impossible statement to make as a newbie.

framer is a relatively common town of salem role. it doesn't take a genius to apply that logical leap to forum mafia and realize why it would be more rare.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

fire_bolt posted...

Those are some *really* old alts then, with a ton of karma to back them up. Both are considerably older than my current main account. Chang *might* be an alt that sees a lot of mileage but with Abacus the math checks out for that to be a main

for what it's worth, this is an alt made after I closed my original account here, which I had when I was like 13 years old (see below, I even made my own wiki page lmao). I don't think I logged on to gamefaqs once between like...2015 and 2018 though, which is why the Karma isn't all that high.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com./user.php?db=.6.user=espio4000
https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Espio4000

You can even find me on the guru contest prediction leaderboards in 2008 and 2010 under "espio" and in 2013 as "hannyabal" (i got 15th!).

I'm not lying about never having played forum mafia, though.


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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Corrik7 posted...

BTW, I don't think Changmas and Abacus are actually newbies. Something they said yesterday tipped me off to that.

I think you're just underestimating how much we could learn after playing this game for a full two weeks. You've accused me of this like 3 times already.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

fire_bolt posted...

Abacus - TOWN Cop (unnamed flavor) [Has not actually returned a scum result yet? Could be super long gaming us]

He scanned Damion three nights ago.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

fire_bolt posted...

Plum do you just not read anything I post?

Chang, can you confirm for us you will or will not be able to RB someone tonight?

I predicted a Death lynch today, so I cannot roleblock anyone. If Corrik redirects me, he will simply redirect my prediction for tomorrow's lynch to whomever he targets.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Leanansidhe posted...

A few games back there was a roleblocker that couldn't stop factional kills, we're sure Chang can right?

masterplum posted...

Yeah Chang. Can you confirm you stop kills

My role text says I can prevent someone from using a night action. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't prevent a factional kill carried out by whoever I roleblock. I can ask the mod to confirm that if we really need me to, though.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Leanansidhe posted...

##vote: Ben

Bolt just wants it more

I also don't believe it matters which person we lynch today but it seems this decision matters a great deal to Bolt and probably not that much to Ben.

##Vote: Ben

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

resign when you're lost!

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

maybe the admin is actually scum and that's why he baited me

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Corrik is back to confirmed town and we should go back to the original plan now. Just an administrative error from the mod who forgot to say Action Successful x2. Glad I messaged him directly to check.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

WAIT MOD CONFIRMED HE MADE A MISTAKE AND BOTH ACTIONS WERE SUCCESSFUL.

##Unvote

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

The last option is that he is a town redirector who can't be roleblocked but is still claiming that I roleblocked him when it clearly didn't go through. Which would also mean he lied about what he redirected, since Abacus would know if he was redirected.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

I recognize that this doesn't look good for me right now, but we need to lynch Corrik today if he cannot explain why my action on him didn't work. If he flips town you lynch me tomorrow no questions asked.

##Unvote
##Vote:Corrik

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

although FWIW logistically I'm not sure if roleblocking a vanilla would tell me "action successful" if there was no role to block? so that would be a potential 3rd avenue but the odds have got to be absolutely miniscule that Corrik would claim a redirector as town vanilla and then have that exact description flip in Damion's flavor message.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

htaeD posted...

Abacus, good move.

Chang, why did you roleblock Corrik when Damions flip meant a redirector likely really existed?

Oh wait, I've just realized that I've made a horrible mistake in processing what happened last night. On previous nights, I've been told specifically that both of my actions were successful, but last night only ONE of my actions was successful. My two actions were to roleblock Corrik and predict Death. Given that Death is still alive, the only way that this result should be possible is if 1. Corrik cannot be roleblocked or 2. Corrik redirected me to Han, meaning that my roleblock went through on Han, but my prediction of Han is no longer successful because he's dead. The first one is more likely though, since Corrik claimed (correctly) that I roleblocked him before I said anything.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

fire_bolt posted...

Hold the phone. Not that I think it will change the outcome, but what is the case for Sultan being town? I get the logic for Lea, Death, and Changas. And I get who Ben and I are under suspicion. I don't get why Sultan is getting a pass? Like I'm fine with getting mislynched today as long as we win tomorrow but I don't want this going totally sideways because we made a bad assumption.

With that possibility in mind, I'd prefer not to be mislynched today.

Frankly, this. If I was scum I could have tried to throw Corrik to the lynch mob today due to all the odd circumstances around him... Just like Ben did. Instead I tried to confirm him as town, something that would absolutely be a bad play if I was scum

Abacus checked Sultan two nights ago.


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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Corrik should also redirect Ben away from you tonight just in case

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

I'm fully on board for this plan.

##Vote: Bolt

and I will predict that we lynch Ben tomorrow.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

I picked Death. I dont think its worth it to lynch someone we believe to be town just to get another roleblock though.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

It should be:

plum
Ben
bolt

and technically Lea (?) although it seems very unlikely

Although I'm not sure how exactly fake roles work as scum. I feel like someone mentioned before that scum gets like a list of fake claims or something? or maybe i misunderstood some point. is there any way Lea would have enough information on Day 1 as scum to claim that?

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

fire_bolt posted...

Um. That's kinda the opposite of what you should have taken away from that flip. If there wasn't a redirector in the game there'd be no need for Damion to have been Persistent except perhaps as a red herring. And if scum team had the redirector on their team then there would also be no need for Damion to have been Persistent. If anything Damion's flip practically confirms Corrik as at least not scum, although IDK if there would have been 5 scum and a neutral too. Unless someone counter claims him believably Corrik is off the radar atm

FWIW I thought about this line of logic but since Corrik would have the strongest ability I opted to roleblock him anyway to confirm him, assuming that Abacus was checking Death.

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Corrik7 posted...

I was roleblocked last night. *Shakes head*

I redirected Damion to Lea the prior night.

I tried to redirect Abacus to Firebolt last night.

This is true. I did roleblock Corrik.

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

shane15 posted...

Sony can fuck off at this point.

oh no how will you ever wait like 3 more weeks for news about a console that isn't coming out for many months! you poor thing! you must truly be in pain here!

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

ACAB

caps lock

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Leanansidhe posted...

His account was temp banned by Gamefaqs and he doesn't have a backup account

oh so this is unrelated to his actions in the game

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Hbthebattle posted...

Oh uh I forgot to mention this but Corrik is warned rn

Can someone explain what exactly this means in terms of gameplay? Does a warning mean he's not allowed to talk?

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

I'm not fully sure who to block yet. Corrik? Death?

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

the main things we probably want to collectively decide are:

1. who abacus scans
2. who i roleblock
3. who corrik redirects to and from

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Abacus can do as he wishes. I need somebody with more time than me to put together a full list of claims of players alive right now.

1. Damion - Lisa Lisa, TOWN Vanilla
2. Lea - Joshu Higashikata, TOWN Yasuho Detector
3. Plum
4. Ben
5. Han
6. Death - Pocoloco, TOWN Vanilla
7. Abacus - TOWN Cop (unnamed flavor)
8. Sultan
9. Corrik - Noriaki Kakyoin - TOWN Possessor (redirector)
10. Chang - Joseph Joestar, TOWN Predictor
11. Bolt

I believe this is every claim so far, although I might be missing a couple

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

##Vote:Damion

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