Lurker > No_U_L7

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nothing is being hanged lmao
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if you described her to me i'd tell you she was exactly my type..but there's just something about her i just don't find attractive
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i would even if it meant pissing off her father
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Kazi1212 posted...

i feel like youre being too results oriented. The point of a range is not whether on any given night you made gains with it, its how youre doing across thousands of hands. Stick to a range for thousands of hands and see how well you do with it

Good point, im gonna continue playing em. Started out hot and aggressive but that first bust out really cooled me down. Stopped getting good cards and hitting when I did. The second pocket Qs was the only really premium hand and it just busted me out again

tm315 posted...

I don't believe this justifies opening for nearly 20% of your stack

Yeah man, happens. I still don't think making an open raise where you're basically pot committed on the flop when called is wise. Raise smaller, go all in, or play with bigger stacks.

If $23 is about the average stack sizes, and straddles are common, that seems like there will be a lot of all-ins and a very high luck factor. Also, more expensive rake probably. It doesn't sound like the best table to be at, unless super fishy.

I think you always had to call. I don't think it's ever correct to put a third of your stack in pre just to fold on the flop if an A or K comes.

Nice man, +1 buy-in isn't bad

Well I could've just topped off or left at any point. Was gonna leave soon to eat dinner anyway so didn't want to bother topping off at that point

We'll see how much I have left after tonight. If I bust out again I'm gonna stop for the night lol

Not sure how good of a table it is, with large blinds and small buy in it may not be great. Was winning big so I've stuck with it. I'd prefer 0.1/0.2 $20 buy in

But gotta recenter so I'm not on tilt, watch an ep of tv
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Kazi1212 posted...

one solution to your problem would be that instead of betting bigger and getting yourself into tough situations, you can loosen up your range to compensate.

I played some baby pocket pairs and suited connectors in early position but it didn't net anything
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CloneTheHero posted...

lmao i just made the same mistake today with an overpair went all in. i dont typically do that, sometimes im ridiculously undisciplined.

i just had trouble folding to big stack bully and drawers, really should have thought about it more in depth. really trying to work on my discipline. i was ahead 50% of buy in so really should have just continued to play smart
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tm315 posted...

That looks like a pretty large open, especially in a straddled pot. I feel like it's hard to play profitably if you're opening straddled pots for 4.5x. What's the standard open size been?

Lol, looks most like AA, I think you'll rarely see a minraise like this with AK

Did you start this hand with $23? If so, I really don't like the big open. May as well just jam, honestly, definitely jam over the 3bet, even if its obv AA, stack is too small to fold QQ. I think if he puts you all in on that flop, I think I still might call while hating my life. Only $15 into a pot of $39. Also, re-buy to at least 100bb

Yeah, cooler all around, but all the money should have just gone in pre if you had under 30 effective bigs imo. I think he always has AA, but still can't ever fold QQ for 23bb

i opened bigger because as we discussed earlier in this topic, i didn't bet big enough last time and people played suited connectors etc vs me

i lost about half my stack playing normal poker, didn't take any big risks in that time, just raised the right amount, called/folded when i should have (i did have a 2-4 suited flush draw that i folded which would have tripled me up but i didn't want to call an all in on a connected board where someone obviously already had a straight)

i usually do top off, but i wanted to rebuild a bit with out sinking more in since i already lost that big pot earlier. min buy in is 20 so 23 is just below the median for the table atm

good point, i thought about 4 betting but didn't consider jamming because i wanted to see if an Ace or King would come on the board.

I strongly suspected Aces too and was ready to fold if there was no Q on the flop but it checked around and then the Q came out. At that point i just had to call the shove and hope he had 2 pair

gonna take a break and play some more later

going into tonight i was +150 playing at this table, after earlier i'm now only up +50
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Kazi1212 posted...

I would have folded to the raise to $38.50, its a 4 way pot with a juicy board, so chances are even if you were ahead, you werent ahead by much. I try to avoid situations of putting in my stack when I know at best Im slightly ahead. J9 is also a common hand, thats what I thought the guy had the moment I saw the flop.

Damn that's better hand reading than me. Thought he'd fold J9 off to my raise, gotta raise bigger next time when there's a straddle
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and I just lost another big pot on QQ

same thing, there was a straddle

i opened up to 4.50

one caller

SB raised to $8

me and the other caller flat call. I figure he has AK, KK or AA

flop comes out 7 K A rainbow

i'm already willing to accept i'm beat. The hand checks all the way around, I suspect the raiser had at least AK, maybe he's squeezing light with AJ or A10

then another Q peels off and this guy just shoves it

i'm down to about $15 at this point so I have no choice but to call, other guy folds

He had AA and beat me set over set

now i'm down $100 and only up $50
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tm315 posted...

What are stack sizes? seems very deep. Edit: now I see, not that deep with the staddle, only 78bb effective

Pre flop is good

I'm not super excited about that flop, but I like it enough. But when SB leads 3/4 pot into two players, including the pre-flop aggressor, some alarm bells are going off. That is a pretty strong play, although the board does have a lot of draws.

But when the straddle raises huge over that bet, does he do that with just AJ? That's very strong. I don't think anyone has KK or AA often because they both just called pre in a straddled pot. But I think at best for you, straddle has either AJ, combo draw, J+flush draw, J9s, JJ, 99, or 55. I don't think you're looking too good vs. that range and you have a big raise to call. Idk exactly what the equity is tho, it might be close. But I guess since he turned up with J9o, maybe he does make that raise with just JT, or any random J.

It's definitely jam/fold when it gets to you. I might go broke here sometimes too, it's easy to put someone on a draw and someone a jack. But I think if you end up with one caller, you're usually up against a combo draw (you're a 56% favorite) or a 2pr/set (you're a pretty big dog). If you get two callers, I think you're always in bad shape. I really don't think the straddle turns up with too many hand you beat when the action on the flop goes like that.

I think I like a fold, unless straddle and SB have been playing super aggressive

my stack was 78, big stack was about 300 (running good and taking a lot of risks) and straddle barely had me covered with like 85

big stack was playing big stack bully the whole time, other guy was meh but i didn't have much info on him, didn't seem that great

figured 1 would fold and i'd be ahead of the other, but yeah
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jedisamurai posted...

You raised 6x the BB here to open, and yet neither player feared your hand, as you got led out on very strongly. I'm not saying you should have folded. But you had to know if you weren't behind to a set, two pair, AA, or KK.....that at the very best you were a very small favorite against a powerful drawing hand even heads up. Remember even against holdings you're ahead of on that flop, like AhKh or Jh10h, you're actually behind statistically. Three handed you're certainly an underdog.

If you had AA, I could see you not getting away. But with QQ I think you could. Again not saying you played it wrong, but you asked if you could get away and I think you could have.

i played it wrong. i just saw there wasn't an over card and assumed i was still ahead. oh well, you live you learn
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Fam_Fam posted...

pro tip here: you had no reason to raise there. what would possibly call you that you beat decisively? Also, it's multi-way. Theres a lot of hands they have (i.e. suited connectors, sets) that put you in a bad position equity-wise. so would have been a good fold with that action in front you. in that situation, the suited connector in hearts was probably the worst possible hand they could have had, and even if you had them heads up, its not a great position for you to be in.

i always forget how much more equity you have h2h vs multi way, gotta work on that

Fam_Fam posted...

yes, 4 (or 4.5) would have been good to fold out things like suited connectors as well.

not used to playing with straddle so def have to iron that out
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No_U_L7 posted...

hindsight that was the big indicator. it just felt at the time like the first guy was trying to buy the pot and the 2nd guy was on a draw and wanted to get the first guy off the pot

like J 9 off shouldn't be in his calling range for 6.5 BB lol

6 7 suited with the big stack i at least understand calling, even if out of position

actually i just realized he was the straddle so he was actually getting decent pot odds. so i gotta make a note, when the straddle in play, i gotta use that as the base multiplier for my raises. so it should have been raised to like $4 instead of 3.25 and he'd probably fold
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DuranOfForcena posted...

well, that's basically the same. a high pair in the hole gives newbies too much confidence. if you have a high pair and the flop gives you nothing, and other players are betting and raising big, it is not the time to go all in.

hindsight that was the big indicator. it just felt at the time like the first guy was trying to buy the pot and the 2nd guy was on a draw and wanted to get the first guy off the pot

like J 9 off shouldn't be in his calling range for 6.5 BB lol

6 7 suited with the big stack i at least understand calling, even if out of position
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DuranOfForcena posted...

what were your hole cards? you don't say what they were. but i think from the third to last line, it was AA? your first mistake was being too confident in having pocket bullets. they are a trap. they are statistically the best hand, but that don't really mean shit, especially pre-flop.

oh LMAO i had pocket Queens
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i just lost big

0.25/0.5 blinds, someone straddled for 1

UTG folds, i'm up and raise to 3.25 with pocket Queens

Fold

Fold

SB calls, BB folds, straddle calls

(I'm in position)

Flop comes

9H, JS, 5H

Pot is 10.25

first player (big stack) bets 7.68

next guy raises 38.40

With the overpair I make the mistake and shove all in over the top 73.85

Big stack calls, next guy shoves all in over the top...big stack calls

right away i now know i'm in trouble

i thought one guy had top pair/top kicker AJ and the other guy had a flush draw or straight draw

I was also worried about JJ hitting the set, but thought I was at least ahead

the big stack had 6 7 H, so he had a flush and a straight draw, 2nd guy had J 9o so he had 2 pairs

the big stack hit the straight and ended up winning about $160

so i guess the way i should have looked at it was: way too many hands that could beat me, i could get out now and only lose 3.25, so should have folded

2 people that confident in their hands probably means i was beat (maybe they had KK or AA also)

any thing else i should have looked at as a clear indication i should have gotten away from the hand?

I lost about $78 in that hand, but i only bought it for $50 and I'm still up $100 overall, so could be a lot worse

@tm315
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alimajor posted...

Mina Kimes is best girl. Dont you dare sully her name like that

saying she's hot enough to bang an nba player is sullying her name?
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De Evolution posted...

This.

I'd be worried about the staff and the "help" such as reporters, room service, etc.

worried? they're nba players, not prisoners lol
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Its a giant sausage fest so none.

Media, reporters, strippers snuck in by harden. Also im sure some players are secretly gay
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Bump
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mina kimes is banging someone right?
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Id take that trade right now
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Butt sex jokes aren't clever. They are played out.

this was 2010
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how is it not possible to understand the joke?! maybe i am too clever for my own good
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we were all stretching, getting ready to play, friend 1 went behind friend 2 and arched his back, mimicking a hip thrusting motion into the friend 2's behind, and friend 1 said "don't mind me, i just really need to stretch out my back"

and i replied "it looks like his back isn't all he's stretching out"

everyone laughed so hard
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this is my life now
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you've had sex with a girl?
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spikethedevil posted...

The US has had quarantines?

Yes
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spikethedevil posted...

Because its the middle of the night in the US and other places?

Who goes to bed at midnight during quarantine
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How did this topic get no psots?!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqvTdMu0qlc

how am i just now finding out about this video?! do you know how many rainy saturday nights ive wasted without having this vid around
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oh well
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i guess she quits =(
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GentlemanGamer posted...

I don't even know what you want advice about...message her if you want to, or don't if you don't want to.

This. Don't like your chances of moving over to her sister
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Kazi1212 posted...

Watch Doug Polk videos if youre looking to improve. As a former pro, his videos helped me get started a lot.

i watch his stuff all the time, they're great
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Kazi1212 posted...

Overall, my comments are this is an excellent range for a beginner, but you definitely have loosen up a bit as you play more.

yeah and i am a beginner, i'm just getting into the more advanced stuff. i used to play 0.05/0.1 games with my friends so that was super loosey goosey
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CloneTheHero posted...

cold call on 22-55, dont raise or 3 bet. with these hands you just want to see the flop, if you miss you miss, and you can fold, if you hit, you should bet

so let's say i limp UTG for 0.5, if someone raises to $1 do you call? $1.50?
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DuranOfForcena posted...

if you only play the good hands and fold the bad hands, then people are gonna wise up and fold any time you make a bet. you can't play according to a formula where you always play certain hands and never play others. you have to be unpredictable.

yeah, but it seems like most people just play the cards. if i raise 3x wit A-Q and someone has A-J they're still calling (in my games)

this does happen a bit, i hit 2.5x buy in last night and i stopped getting action. i just raised 6-6 a couple of times to get some added value from that. i'm trying really hard to pick my spots very carefully in a +ev manner
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Kazi1212 posted...

A5s in particular has the most equity against aces, though I'm a fan of most suited aces outside of A6s and A7s, you gotta have some suited aces in your fold range.

i supose A5s is the best out of those, A2s is atrocious because if the flop comes 3-4-5 you get beat by 6-7 lol
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tm315 posted...

If you're playing with a lot fish, this does not matter

no one i play with is that good, only a couple of fish

BlockAddition posted...

Useless chart, the value of a hand varies depending how many people are in the round and how they've been playing up until that point

AK is pretty a pretty decent start 1v1 but if you're up against 3 or more people then good luck with that

And it will take a good player no time at all to figure out your system

well yeah, this chart is a starting point. i'm planning on making charts for UTG, mid and button. This is the one for UTG

Tyranthraxus posted...

The baby pockets suck but they're good enough to at least see the flop IMO.

so can you explain what you do with 2-2 and 3-3 UTG? and when someone raises/reraises

our blinds are 0.25/0.5
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tm315 posted...

Okay, then I agree, I am not playing oop most times when I raise utg. I still think you should be opening those hands co, BTN and SB.

I understand on those poker apps people play very loosely, and most pots go multi-way, so it makes a lot of sense to play a really tight range and just print money by getting called when you have a monster.

Might wanna try opening some more hands in later positions though.

ok yeah i'm still refining. the hands alternate between multi way to lots of re-raising. if it goes multi way i've noticed most people fold to a single bet and it goes h2h after the flop quite often
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Kazi1212 posted...

You DEFINITELY have to play J10s, they have the most equity against aces, that and A5s

you're a fan of suited aces or just A5S? why that one in particular?
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Play all the blue squares and JTs. JTo if you're feeling risky.

JTs is in the range already. JTo I actually like, but it's bad UTG if i get reraised as i have to fold. mid to late (and def on the button) position i'm playing that

those baby pocket pairs are infuriating. if i limp or raise and get re-raised it hurts me to call and then 88% of the time i'm missing the set and have to fold
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Kazi1212 posted...

If it's folded to you you should absolutely open, you should limp a handful of times, even 66 is a raise, in cash games at least, in tournaments you gotta account for ICM and such.

ok yeah, i'd raise 66 a good chunk of the time, 4-4 or lower and i'm probably limping in
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CloneTheHero posted...

way too tight. you pretty much turn your cards face up playing that range

what do you add in?
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Kazi1212 posted...

Position also matters. Im raising 10-8 suited from the button and cutoff but not from utg etc...

I def loosen up a bit on the button, playing suited one gappers and baby pairs. But I only do that if limped or folded around to me and i don't raise. Should I be raising those?
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bestknicksfan posted...

Do you win money? What are big blinds/small blinds? How is the rake?

Its different for every club

Blinds are 0.25/0.5 with $20 min buy in. I used to do the min but just started doing 50 so I'm not short stacked. I've played 4 times and won every time. I was the big winner last night as I got lucky and am really refining my play lately. Rake is 6% capped at $4. However our club has a lot of bonuses (free rolls, quads, royal flush, etc)
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dj1200 posted...

I have no idea what that means

i explained what it means in the OP...
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