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Korn is actually legit good. I will say it.
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Haven't seen the new Chappelle yet but between that and this special, it's a good time for comedy. All of their peers love these guys. They're basically the modern day "Carlin vs. Pryor" debate. Louis CK is also in that discussion. The backlash to Chappelle's special is manufactured.
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YookaLaylee posted...

I like Bill Burr but I don't like how weird his fanbase is becoming

There's a weird intersection of normal people who listen and those who are comedy podcast fanatics. A lot of the latter are fringe weirdos. A whole lot of "derp he's not funny anymore since he got married" and they all tend to be older single men who think Bill is too left.
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Loved the new special. It was better than his last for sure. The first 22 minutes or so...if people hated the new Chappelle, what will they do with that material? ROFL.
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The message that you should pay attention to with the new Chappelle special is:

You can be a top dog who has no horse in the race. Countless celebrities make a living being apolitical or close to it. BUT if you do make a stance and it's anti-left, God help you. Now imagine you're a minority who is beloved by the mainstream. It's even worse in that case.

The late great Patrice O'Neal made this point years ago on the Opie & Anthony show on Sirius XM. It's a different ballgame when you're black and you go from being black famous to white famous. Once you start making "white dollars", you're expected to act as their spokesman. You're expected to promote their values. White liberal elitist values.

Problem is, Dave is too much of an independent thinker. And he has F*** You money. And God bless him for that.
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pogo_rabid posted...

tommybel89 posted...

The video doesn't exist anymore but Tom Segura first saw the Asian car clip on the Opie and Jim Norton show a few years back. He was losing his mind and crying and clutching at his head laughing his ass off. It might exist in an audio bootleg but the official video clip is taken down, looks like.

There's always this one

Goddamn that was funny. Haven't seen that in a while. I forgot what Tom laughed at.
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The video doesn't exist anymore but Tom Segura first saw the Asian car clip on the Opie and Jim Norton show a few years back. He was losing his mind and crying and clutching at his head laughing his ass off. It might exist in an audio bootleg but the official video clip is taken down, looks like.
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I like how Tom Segura filmed his last special in New Orleans, after months of backlash and hate from the state due to his "build a wall around Louisiana" bit in his previous special.

I saw a Conan video about that, yeah that was funny lol

Wish I saw that one live...I did see one of his shows in the Take it Down tour this year. He had me dying laughing. Easily my favorite comedian

Ive never watched him but that video made me want to check him out

All of his netflix specials are amaze. He does a podcast with his wife (fellow comedian) christina pazsitzky, who is a super funny comedian in her own right.

OMFG him reacting to the Asian guy in the car garage is one of my favourite things ever. EDIT: that part isn't on here! Must be another video.
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I'd love to see Segura live. I've seen Billy in 2014 and 2015.
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pogo_rabid posted...

I like how Tom Segura filmed his last special in New Orleans, after months of backlash and hate from the state due to his "build a wall around Louisiana" bit in his previous special.

He got wayyyyy more **** for using the "R word" didn't he? Or was that part of the same bit? Anyways, he's the man!
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Also, Chappelle has the greater spotlight because he became a legit star back when TV mattered and he's not only black famous, but also crossover famous. Fame + being the current GOAT even amongst many of his standup peers. When you have that spotlight and you don't champion mainstream causes (Ie. leftist lunacy), there's guaranteed to be a backlash. God forbid a black guy go against sacred causes. Hypocrisy at work. Is he free, or is he going to be on the short leash forever?

Burr is easily a top 3 or 5 standup alive. But you need to be a fan of the comedy world to know who Burr is. Chappelle, Peters, Seinfeld, Schumer, Rock, Hart etc are crossover famous. This isn't to discount Chappelle. He is truly a top 3 GOAT alive.
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Jagr_68 posted...

Burr doesn't have the mass spotlight that Chappelle does tho so it's not going to trigger many. I love the dude but he gets crazy ass immunity for being white and very Bostoney so his schtick is accepted for what it is.

Side note, it's awesome how fucking butthurt his far right audience gets when he acknowledges shit that they don't like or even the fact that he's happily married to a black woman. That speaks volumes about a portion of his own fans.

He filmed it in London I believe. Just for context. But even on his last special, he did in Nashville ( I think?) and even the energy in that room was really weird during some bits. It wasn't his best special but I respect that he left that stuff in.
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The audience score is just a simple "do you like it, yes/no". It's the most basic measure ever. The Godfather 1 or 2 could get a low crowd score just for not being crowdpleasers that hold your hand the whole way. Doesn't mean they don't smoke every Marvel movie ever.

Some would say that TLJ **** all over the old characters and the plot was very lackluster and that it felt like a big drop off from TFA. The average blockbuster moviegoer has the brain of a gnat. That's not meant to be mean or trolling. The person that goes to see a comic movie or Star Wars wants a simple experience. I'd like to think that one of these days, one of these movies will match The Dark Knight, but for the most part I know what I'm getting with most of these movies. Especially nowadays with over a decade of Marvel Studios movies, you can see the formula coming from a mile away. They crank these movies out on an assembly line. Most decisions about them have been calculated 3 or 4 years out in advance. How many of them stand out from the pack as exceptional? 25% MAYBE?

Most people are content to shut off their brain for 2 hours and not think too deeply about what they're watching. They're taking their kids to a matinee show. They just hope the kid doesn't get bored with it.

Given what TLJ was like, it shouldn't be a surprise that the audience score is low, not to mention the troll votes. It strayed too much from the standard Star Wars formula and now the studio is going to put old fat ****ing Lando to appease 40 year old men who have no business giving that much of a damn about this franchise.
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I can't believe how much they sucked at playing The Pagemaster on SNES. I beat that game like 20 years ago.
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A lot of people seemed to love seeing Lando and hearing the Palpatine laugh, but I couldn't help but go "whuuuut?" That just feels like a big overcorrection towards TLJ to me. "Put more old **** so the plebs forget about the new **** that didn't work!" I wish more effort went into new ideas rather than trying to retain me, a person who is too old to give a damn about Star Wars on this level.
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I also think Batman Returns is the pinnacle of humanity. Do not listen to anything I say!
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CyricZ posted...

I absolutely enjoyed TLJ but there's definitely a side of this lifelong SW fan who thinks the ST is built on very shaky ground, in spite of its success.

tommybel89 posted...

Still better than the prequels though.

Agreed. This is the only thing that gets me in these debates.

You don't like the ST, that's fine.

The minute you start saying "the prequels were better" is when I realize that you saw them below the age of 10 and then I don't need any more of your opinion.

Yeah, you can go ahead and block or ignore me already then. Attack of the clones is the worst thing to come out of Star Wars. That much I will concede, but I'll be damned if I ever think TLJ is written any better(no no, I'm not talking about dialog so don't worry) than Revenge of the Sith.

People love to scoff at the cringy dialogue, overly dramatic acting, poorly aged cgi, and glowstick rave that was the final fight. Which they rightly should. However, y'all are tripping if you're going to deny that the prequels had a better soundtrack, lore, world and overarching story. As poorly constructed as the films are as a whole, what they brought to the franchise greatly exceeds what the ST could ever hope to bring imo. And I'm one of the guys that's in the camp that genuinely believes Disney is actively saving Star Wars.

^I might agree on some of that. The music especially. I would also say lore but I also played the video games back then and consumed those prequel movies much more than the Disney ones. I am comparing a 10 year old mindset compared to what I am now. I don't dive deeply into anything anymore. Well unless I'm reading comic books and listening to podcasts...

I've only seen The Force Awakens 2 or 3 times and Rogue One twice and the rest of the Disney movies once. The prequels may as well be seared into my eyeballs. I do have a weird affection for them still.
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CyricZ posted...

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CyricZ posted...

I absolutely enjoyed TLJ but there's definitely a side of this lifelong SW fan who thinks the ST is built on very shaky ground, in spite of its success.

Yeah for sure. Pretty much everything great about those old movies was accidental or spontaneous. They're not as deep as people think and they're just great (the first 2 movies) in their simplicity.

And now with the extended universe and decades of hindsight and past stories, there's just no way these new movies will make you feel the same way you did watching the original trilogy at 9 years old. People are looking too deeply into the meaning and explanation behind everything. At the same time, Disney is trying to make these movies for the kids rather than the adult who was in that kid's position 2 decades ago. They claim to be all ages movies but they sure as hell ain't for me. I have accepted that.

I want there to be deeper meaning. I want the Star Wars galaxy to be an organic place and for there to be themes and introspection and consequences. It's what the EU was built up as. I don't think Star Wars has to exist shallowly.

Oh I wish Star Wars got a more quality scifi treatment. I wish that whoever did the new Blade Runner would be given a Star Wars movie to do anything within that sandbox world. Or whoever did Ex Machina. But knowing Disney, it won't happen.
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CyricZ posted...

I absolutely enjoyed TLJ but there's definitely a side of this lifelong SW fan who thinks the ST is built on very shaky ground, in spite of its success.

Yeah for sure. Pretty much everything great about those old movies was accidental or spontaneous. They're not as deep as people think and they're just great (the first 2 movies) in their simplicity.

And now with the extended universe and decades of hindsight and past stories, there's just no way these new movies will make you feel the same way you did watching the original trilogy at 9 years old. People are looking too deeply into the meaning and explanation behind everything. At the same time, Disney is trying to make these movies for the kids rather than the adult who was in that kid's position 2 decades ago. They claim to be all ages movies but they sure as hell ain't for me. I have accepted that.
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ledbowman posted...

Do people really think The Last Jedi isn't good

I've only seen it at the theatres, but I remember liking it and I thought what they did with Luke was ballsy as ****. He also gave his best performance in his Star Wars career. I'm not sure I agree on everything that they did with him, but I applaud that they went for it. That was a solid gamble.

I wouldn't say I loved the movie though. I also did not shout down from the heavens for it to be buried forever. Some of the writing and plot choices were poor. Like half the movie is either ships chasing each other boringly or a diversion to a planet so they can shove in some cute animals for kids to buy at the Disney store. And they sidelined the coolest dude in the movies (Oscar Isaac). I mean, Christ.

Still better than the prequels though. I still watch those pieces of **** for the laughs but I'm not under the illusion that they're these misunderstood pieces of cinema. Hell even Return of the Jedi is almost a borderline piece of garbage. I know that upsets people, but outside of the scenes with Luke-Vader-Emperor, the space battle over Endor, and some of the intro, it just blows.
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Poe joins in too because he wanted to be the one to kiss Finn

A legit shipping of Finn and Poe would truly save Star Wars.

But seriously that was a major thing missing in The Last Jedi their bromance. They were great together on screen in TFA.

TLJ shafted Poe so hard. Literally the best actor in these movies and he gets peanuts to do. A goddamn shame.
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Im not excited for this movie

Such a shame because the force awakens was soooo good

It was good, but more in the "give the crowd exactly what they came for" sense. It was a very safe movie other than Han getting killed.

Now this new movie, who knows what will happen. My guess is they will do a big overcorrection to make up for The Last Jedi.
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Slipknot was a band I didn't really care for when I was way younger. But now I do appreciate them more.

I was the same way. But they kind of hit when I was a bit too young. Same with a lot of the music scene in the late 90's and early 00's. The masks and makeup (ie. Marilyn Manson, Slipknot, etc) used to f*** me up but now I enjoy the music and the pageantry.
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My favourite part about seeing metal musicians do interviews is that they always reveal how close-minded a big segment of their fans are. These guys are immense fans of music. They love ABBA, Beatles, Fleetwood Mac, etc. etc. Jonathan Davis of Korn got called a f*****t continually in high school for dressing new wave and listening to Duran Duran and The Cure. Some of these new Slipknot interludes and softer songs could belong on a non-metal release. The horror!
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CommonStar posted...

What is deep music?

Tool. But to be fair, you have to have a very high astrological transit to understand Tool. The lyrics are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the Fibonacci Sequence most of the allusions will go over a typical listener's head. There's also Maynard's psychoanalytic outlook, which is deftly woven into his vocalizations- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Carl Jung literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the Peyote sensitivity to truly appreciate the depths of these themes, to realise that they're not just pretentious- they say something deep about ANAL. As a consequence people who dislike Tool truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the anti-pessimism in Maynard's apocalyptic mantra "Learn to Swim," which itself is a cryptic reference to Bill Hick's comedic epic Arizona Bay. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those Coke-sipping hookers scratching their penis heads in confusion as Reverend Keenan's genius wit unfolds itself on their picture discs. What jerkoffs.. how do I tolerate them?

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Maynard's Dick tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that their rectal temperatures are within 4 degrees of my own (preferably higher) before I insert my hand. Nothin personnel carrot

People need to SPIRAL OUT and open their minds maaaaan.
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refmon posted...

shes a corporate plant

Parents work in the LA entertainment industry. Confirmed!
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Conflict posted...

Just cause it's popular doesn't mean everyone in the world is gonna like it

Y'all sound like people in 2001 that were upset at anyone who didn't like Last Resort. It's a vapid pop song with an awful hook

And also a riff that sounds almost exactly like Iron Maiden (Genghis Khan instrumental off the Killers album).
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It's really good.

And the whole genre of nu metal will forever confuse me. People tell me papa roach, system of a down, and slipknot are in the same genre of music. They sound nothing alike.

I agree. That term is dumb. I also absolutely hate the term grunge.
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trappedunderice posted...

What's the heaviest song on the album? All I've heard is Unsainted and Spiders... not too impressed so far.

I would say Solway Firth. Other ones are Birth of the Cruel and Red Flag.
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saspa posted...

First live action DC movie I've seen since that garbage man of steel movie and finally one I liked. Shame it didn't seem to make as much at the box office as you'd typically expect from comic book blockbusters. It's amazing how much better man of steel's costume looks without the color filter. Still weird and not like the original, but so much better, more vibrant and colorful. That little cameo was funny.

An all around fun movie, I'd watch a sequel.

I would say check out Wonder Woman for sure. A lot of people also love Aquaman but I would call that movie just 'ok'.

Only watch the remainder for the goof and if you're high (BvS, Suicide Squad, Justice League).
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I can see hating her music. Especially when you compare her current stuff to her early songs where she actually SINGS.
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Awesome album. Solway Firth is the most vicious thing I've heard in a while.
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Alice in Chains is the biggest example I can think of from 1990 until now.
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Guy_Fieri posted...

Never listen to the opinion of someone who has a anime avatar.

This is now my new mantra.
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I guess the moral of my Zelda experiences are: everything after my teenage years can take a hike. I also haven't played anything beyond Twilight Princess on console and Oracle on portable, sooooo I am an ass.
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The first Zelda is actually really good and it holds up nicely. I played that on the 4 in 1 disc for the Game Cube. I never did the 2nd quest however.

Zelda 2 is interesting but not my favourite Zelda experience.

LTTP feels like the perfect balance of classic Zelda and the path the series would eventually take. Also doesn't hurt that it was the first one I played at the age of 5.
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A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, Ocarina of Time is the peak of Zelda for me. You can extend it a bit to include Oracle of Ages & Seasons and Wind Waker. Haven't played Majora's Mask through to the end.

The series gets worse as it strayed more into gimmicks and sidequesting.
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She was good looking but a piece of **** on that show.

In hindsight, that show is definitely the George show. Dude is the GOAT.
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Alteres posted...

tommybel89 posted...

A Link to the Past

Also WW and TP.

WW is leaps and bounds ahead of TP for me.
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A Link to the Past
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Canadian market also took a hit. My stocks ate it today.
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^Ahhh nice.
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Nall posted...

tommybel89 posted...

Funner than V and IV BY FAR. The newer games got too realistic, to the point where hitting something too hard either makes you fly out the window or the car explodes. San Andreas had the funner gameplay and the better radio stations.

This is basically my thoughts. I loved how wacky San Andreas could be. The weird animations when you ran over someone, sometimes theyd fly tens if not hundreds of feet when you hit them for no reason. Planes would randomly crash into the ground for no reason. The infamous suicide ledge in Las Venturas. The pedestrians were memorable. Your health was more than just a couple hits.

Realism just isnt fun to me. Thats why Ill never rate IV, V, and RDR2 above San Andreas when it comes to fun. Sure theyre larger, more polished games, but that doesnt make them more fun. The kind of glitches San Andreas has is just part of the charm since none of them are gamebreaking.

What's the suicide ledge?
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SA also had two bomb ass rock stations that haven't been topped

Great mix of grunge, alternative and new wave. I can't listen to Plush without thinking about that game

Amazing radio. Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, GNR, etc. and then the ability to make a custom station on the PC.
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Funner than V and IV BY FAR. The newer games got too realistic, to the point where hitting something too hard either makes you fly out the window or the car explodes. San Andreas had the funner gameplay and the better radio stations.
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