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Grimlyn posted...

Beto started off his campaign just absolutely terribly, he was completely unenthusiastic and all attention was yanked by Buttigieg while Beto for some reason decided to go on a media blackout tour

then debate 1 getting his neck clawed by Castro, with debate 2 being another whatever performance blending in with the mass of candidates

... but since then I guess he's just saying f*** it I'll do what I do and he's a lot more genuine with things to say

Yeah, I didn't notice Beto at all in the first two debates, he was literal background noise, but he sure caught my attention tonight.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Its a buff for Elysiana. The #1 thing you want from her is another Elysiana.

Ehh...while the odds of getting class cards has gone down a lot, odds of getting a specific neutral card hasn't increased that much.

There are 378 neutral cards in standard, and 75 warrior cards.

So we're looking at 3/675 under the old system or 3/453 under the new system. 0.44% per discover, or 0.66% per discover. You get 5 discovers, but still...odds of finding an Elysiana went from 2.2% to 3.3%.
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Other interesting notes:

They changed the way Elise the Enlightened works. (If you had 6+ cards in hand, Used to duplicate random cards in your hand, now duplicates left to right).

Heistbaron Togwaggle probably got better, specifically Zarog's Crown, cause all the Rogue legendaries are like...fucking 2/2s.

Power of Creation also probably got better, since there's several 6 mana mage minions that are like...3/3s.

Archivist Elysiana got a little worse, and a little less class dependent (so E.g. warrior's not likely to discover Omega Devastator in their Elysiana pool anymore).

All good changes TBH.
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NewerShadow posted...

Tombs of Terror patch notes: https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/23097372/hearthstone-update-september-10-tombs-of-terror

With a couple of significant changes:

*Discover:
Cards that Discover from a random pool no longer apply a class bonus. As Discover pools have gotten more specific, some are too narrow and repetitive. This change will increase the variety of cards from random Discover pools.

*Elise the Enlightened will now duplicate cards in hand from left to right, instead of randomly

I wonder if the discover change was just a reaction to Warrior discovers + Paladin Stonehill, or if theyre going to print some new discover card next set that would be broken otherwise (See: Mana Wyrm nerf before a couple expansions with small spells.)

It's a pretty big nerf to warrior.

Warrior will discover Omega Devastator way less now, and Frightened Flunky might have been nerfed even harder (since there were literally 3 warrior taunts, Flunky, Armagedillo, and Tomb Warden).
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Also, I'm amused by this discussion:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/d14jww/how_strong_would_this_card_be_at_different_values/

Take Octasori (8 mana 8/8 deathrattle draw 8 cards) and replace all instances of 8 with another number, how strong would it be? What rank order would they be in?

I'm thinking...

1. Tetra-Sari (way too strong to ever print)
2. Penta-Sari (also way too strong to ever print; while everything from 2-5 is obviously busted, I lean towards the higher end as being slightly stronger. Ultimately, the top four are super OP cards, but you'd only have one-of them in your deck, so I'm thinking the bigger OP effect is better than the slightly smaller OP effect)
3. Tri-Sari (also way too strong to ever print)
4. Bi-Sari (also way too strong to ever print--worth noting that this is still incredibly good--2/2 loot hoarder that draws 2)
5. Hexa-Sari (Would be incredibly good, but 6 mana would maybe be awkward for some of the most aggro decks, and draw 6 would be just too much draw to avoid burning cards for some slower decks; it would basically push midrange really hard).
6. Mono-Sari (Fairly printable, given that they printed Kobold Librarian, and wouldn't be overly disruptive, wouldn't feel too bad to play against, but would be in a loooot of decks. Basically a 1 mana loot hoarder).
7. Hepta-sari (A stronger Octo-sari, and a pretty big power increase, but much like Octo-sari would only go into very specific decks like aggro warrior. Just...would be a lot stronger in the same role; costs less, and I'd rather draw 7 than draw 8).
8. Octo-sari (Literally Octo-sari; niche legendary, goes into some midrange/slower aggro decks)
9. Nona-sari (Much weaker octo-sari. Maybe still sneaks into a few decks of that type, but not many)
10. Zero-sari (0 mana 0/0 deathratle draw 0 cards. Really bad, but might have some niches, like instant dying for cult master to cycle through your deck. Notably I don't have it in last...).
11. Deca-sari (10 mana 10/10 draw 10 cards...yeah, the kind of midrange aggro decks that run out of cards soon enough to consider Octo-sari...two more turns is a long time to wait, and you can't avoid overdrawing probably at least two cards with this version).
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So...warrior is the only class I don't have to 60 yet, and my coworker is going for getting all classes to 60 so I was kind-of inspired to do the same. Except I don't want to spend dust on it, cause I'm missing tons of warrior cards, and IDK if I'll even like the class.

After bouncing around possible decks ended up on this:

### Custom Warrior
# Class: Warrior
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
#
# 1x (1) Eternium Rover
# 2x (1) Into the Fray
# 1x (1) Town Crier
# 1x (2) Battle Rage
# 2x (2) Frightened Flunky
# 2x (2) Injured Tol'vir
# 2x (2) Neferset Ritualist
# 2x (2) Rampage
# 2x (3) Bloodsworn Mercenary
# 2x (3) Frothing Berserker
# 2x (3) Injured Blademaster
# 1x (3) Livewire Lance
# 1x (3) SN1P-SN4P
# 2x (4) Bone Wraith
# 2x (4) Restless Mummy
# 1x (5) Darius Crowley
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 2x (6) Damaged Stegotron
# 1x (8) Octosari
#
AAECAQcIkAPN7wKd8AKz/AKggAODpwP1qAOftwMLjgXUCNU I+/4Cn6EDpKQD0qUD8qUDgqgDhKgD3KkDAA==
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Modified from a deck I saw on CompetitiveHS, the idea is to run self-injuring minions along with Neferset Ritualist and Bloodsworn Mercenary. Throw in some pump spells too so that Bloodsworn Mercenary copies bigger stuff. (Rampages were in the original list. Into the Frays are replacements I made for Armagedillo, but they've been performing well).
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And...I'm finally on to using the quest.

In wild Quest C'Thun shaman >_>
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Mogu Fleshshapers are amazing in that deck BTW. Turns out rush is good in a deck that runs flametongue totem.
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And somehow after a game or two with the new Shaman Quest, I end up playing an odd shaman deck with no quest.

(Basically copied from this list:

https://wildhearths.com/wild-shaman-meta-snapshot-1/

Except I don't have corridor creepers so I substituted Mogu Fleshshapers)
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So...I went ahead and did the math on the tombs of terror pre-order bundle on whether the random legendary is worth it.

There's like...10 legendaries I want, like Siamat, Pharosis, most of the explorers, armagedillo, Amet, some quests I don't have, and 4 legendaries I don't want (a couple bad quests and colossus of the moon) which made it very likely to be a relevant legendary for $5.

Went ahead and bought; got...the Shaman Quest. Well that felt like $5 well spent.

(The $15 for the adventure is...probably ok. First wing is free, so that's 3 of the 16 packs, but $15 for 13 packs when one of them is all golden, it's not amazing, but it's fine; better than the $20 last time).
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Ehh...Nomi is something you tech for the Warrior matchup, Pharosis is probably just something you want. I opened the quest so I made some attempts with it at launch, and I just...ran out of gas all the time. Like...it didn't have the late game against just about any deck with a serious late game, not just warrior.

Pharosis seems like something that would fix the running out of gas problem.

(The most popular version that doesn't run Pharosis runs Malygos, and the next two most popular lists after that both run Chef Nomi. So like...it doesn't *need* to be Pharosis specifically, but you need an endgame card).
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

New post that I can't see. It appears someone switched to an alt to say something they were unwilling to say on their main.

It's ulti's main; he posted saying he was blocking you, which I guess makes you unable to see his posts? Didn't know it worked that way, but I guess that makes sense.

Anyway, been messing around with quest hunter. Saw that a quest hunter list had one of the highest winrates on hsreplay, this deck:

https://hsreplay.net/decks/zS7slOPgQTNjjhWIvrqLKf/

I didn't feel like crafting Halazzi so...I didn't. The sensible thing to do would be to replace him with something that can do something similar, refill my hand like a second cult master. But I just replaced it with a Timber Wolf for now (highest winrate of cards that were not already 2-ofs in the stats).

Deck's been winning a lot. Which...I kind-of expected. winrate stats suggested its bad matchups were like...Control Warrior, Mage, and a few aggro decks that are too fast for it. Control Warrior and Mage are pretty rare post-nerfs, and this version is teched pretty anti-aggro, with double bone wraiths and zilliax and Sea Giants and stuff. (Also, there's nothing like going Unleash the Hounds+Timber Wolf+Sea Giant+Revenge of the Wild to really thoroughly ruin aggro's day).
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Seginustemple posted...

Holy s*** did they actually nerf that rogue lifesteal weapon card?

Leeching Poison? That was nerfed sometime last year, yeah.
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Camden posted...

So, what's the best, or at least most fun, quest deck out there you can run Reno style? I crafted Zephrys, but that's not enough for me by itself so I need to pair it with a quest.

Quest Druid sometimes runs Zephrys, but they still use duplicates in those decks, they just have a lot of card draw.

Quest Shaman is probably the one you want here. Something like this:

https://hsreplay.net/decks/3sHAbLpHB1wu9rXhoQVQXf/
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Messed around a little bit with Wild SoU Quest Warrior.

The idea being that in wild you have access to N'Zoth's First Mate, and Forge of Souls, so it's actually reasonable to attack 5 times, complete the quest, and still have weapons left over to trigger the hero power reset every turn.

It's...ok. Doesn't seem to beat like...Mech'a'thun warlock, but seems to be doing better than expected against aggro.
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I was a 2D metroid purist, and thought the idea of a first person metroid sounded stupid, so I wanted to make fun of Metroid Prime. (Metroid Prime actually turned out pretty good, though).
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Wow nice.

I had exactly two conjurer's callings, and exactly two extra arms. I don't think I disenchanted my extras or anything, just lowrolled on both of those, so not getting a ton of dust. (Also none of the legendaries except Barnes).
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Specifically when there are unused attacks with no taunts and no secrets, I'm pretty ok with End Turn having a warning in that case.

Yeah, there are reasons why you might not attack even in these situations, like you're playing against quest priest and don't want to help them progress their quest so you're leaving them at 30, or you're in wild and you know your opponent is playing Molten Giants. Still, if you haven't used attacks with no obvious on-board reason for not using attacks like a taunt or a secret, that's probably way more likely to be a misclick than actually playing around something.
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So apparently Zephrys is getting more AI fixes

https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/cusd9j/news_new_zephyrs_fixes_coming_next_monday_august/

He's getting way smarter on the Weapon Removal. Give him 2 mana leftover and the opponent has a weapon, he'll probably offer you Acidic Swamp Ooze now;

The Weapon Removal was supposed to work that way already, there were just bugs involved. He knows that he should get rid of 0 attack weapons now;

There were a bunch of cards that were not offered in the appropriate situation, like Holy Fire, Avenging Wrath, Bloodsail Corsair;

There's quite a few cards that are fixed that will get offered now when the time is right. They still won't be super common;

Zephrys is a little bit more interested in board control now.

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azuarc posted...

Does Big Priest just have a hard time with 3-attack minions? I honestly never thought about that.

I mean, they often run shadow word pain, and shadow visions that lets them find shadow word pain.

Just...whirling Zap-o-matic is a lot better than Totem Golem against that. If they kill it, you're not overloaded. If they don't kill it, you hit them in the face way harder. It's a win-win.
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OK, crafted Zephrys specifically to try out wild Even Reno Shaman.

So far I've drawn him once, played him on turn 3 cause I was against a Big Priest and had no other 2 drops. Got a Flame Imp and went face. Honestly he probably did win me that game >_>

Otherwise, made some substitutions compared to the list I saw.

I don't have Vessina, so replaced that with Thunderhead. I think Aya is pretty borderline normally, so when she's only accompanied by two Jade cards I cut her. I decided I wanted a corpsetaker, which meant I needed Al'Akir and Walking Fountain. The list I saw was running Splitting Axe, cut that. With Aya as my second cut I made a third cut (Rag: I decided 3 8-drops was enough, and decided to go Lich King over him).

Was a little skeptical of the Whirling Zap-o-matic I saw in the list I copied, but it's actually won me a lot of games. It is unironically really good against Big Priest >_> WHEEEEEEEEEEE
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Nuclear power isn't completely renewable, it's main value is as a transition energy. So if you truly believe that you can make an incredibly rapid transition to sustainable energy in 10-15 years...there honestly isn't any reason to waste time and money on intermediate energy tech.

It's not renewable in the sense that uranium is not a limitless resource, but the greenhouse gas emissions are close to 0.

And in the short term, there's emissions associated with stuff like manufacturing (making concrete etc) you need to build and ship a lot less raw construction material to make a nuclear plant than you do to make a solar or wind plant with the same energy output.
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azuarc posted...

If the paladin double costs 5, why does the priest double cost 2, though? Like, I get that doubling attack is more likely to result in an OTK or something similar, and healing is priest's identity, which is hard to do without minions that take damage, but DS has been a part of OTK combos since Hearthstone went live.

The paladin double just isn't a good card. like...there's also a 2 mana shaman spell called Windfury, which is usually just a better version of whatever you were trying to do with the paladin double.

TBH, though, I'm not overly upset that they did a round of nerfs and didn't nerf a single Basic or Classic card. Particularly in Priest--like there was a real risk of them doing something like making Northshire Cleric a 2 mana card or something.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Was Extra Arms ever actually a problem? I can't say I've kept up with the meta too hard, but I've never thought to myself "this Zoo Priest is just too overwhelming."

Yes, Zoo priest was the highest winrate deck at legend, and didn't have any terrible matchups (lowest winrate matchup was like 45%).

This was due to a number of added cards.

The 2 mana 2/3 that heals adjacent minions to full.

The 2 mana 2/6 taunt that deals 3 damage to itself.

The 4 mana 2/7 that sets every minion that enters play to its health.

The 4 mana 3/1 battlecry revive a minion and give it reborn

These all work together rather well. Normally, if you expect to die to Divine Spirit Inner Fire, you can just damage your opponent's stuff, but when they have a full heal card, that's not good enough. Well if you can't damage their stuff, and they can full heal, I guess you need to just kill their Injured Blademasters right? And...sure, seems reasonable, except if they resurrect it with reborn that's really bad. Honestly I can't figure out how I should be playing against this deck, cause almost everything you can do to them they can punish quite hard.

That said, you might be quick to point out that I didn't actually mention "Extra Arms" anywhere in that paragraph and you'd be right. Extra Arms is...just a good card. It's straight up better than Blessing of Kings. It's maybe the 5th best card in the deck at the moment...but that makes it weaker than Power Word Shield for example. I think they wanted the deck to still be a thing, they just wanted it to be weaker.
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CybrMonkey posted...

Fun deck I stumbled upon while doing a play shaman cards quest: Wild Highlander Even Shaman.

https://hsreplay.net/decks/IZr2kFLWI8spXW92ozJpNh/

Whoa, I might have to try that. I've built so many varieties of wild even shaman, so it makes sense that a reno version would work. (I've also seen non-Even Reno shaman popping up, cause hey, Shudderwock copies Reno and Zeph's battlecry).

I've also been thinking of making Wild Even Reno Mage. Wild Even Mage that tried to win off of Coldarra Drake was kind-of a thing for me, but there was a lot of redundancy, a lot of cards I couldn't fit, etc. And nearly all of the highlander trigger cards are even (Kazakus, Reno, Reno2, Zeph). I would have to finally craft Kazakus and Zeph, though. (I really should just craft Zeph, seems like the most interesting card they've made in years).
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So this tavern brawl is a thing.

I kind of like it actually, but I tend to like the degenerate ones.

Most people are basically playing crab warfare; Hungry Crab, Golakka Crawler, Dragonslayer, Sacrificial Pact.

There's some 2 drops with pretty impactful aruas. Mechwarper, Underbelly Angler, Ship's Cannon.

3 drops are a little underwhelming mostly--I don't feel like games are won or lost due to Murloc Warleader. Zoobot is probably the best of them; buffs itself so it's like a 4/4 that hands out two +1/+1s.

Shaman has a bunch of strong stuff going on with totem synergy (0 mana savage roar, Thing From Below) and Murloc synergies (Everyfin is Awesome, Underbelly Angler).

But I think of the zooish tempo decks, Warlock has the strongest one. More crabs thanks to sac pact. More ways to draw crabs thanks to the hero power, kobold librarian, and warlock stuff in general.

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However, there are definitely control/combo decks. The one I've played runs almost entirely spells, and then uses Ice Fishing and draw a minion effects to pull out Scargill, Mechwarper, Al'Akir, and SN1P SN4P for the OTK.

This works because Shaman has a ton of cheap board clears. Lightning Storm, Elemental Destruction, Hagatha's Scheme, Volcano, Earthquake. I also added in singletarget removal (lightning bolt, crackle, Likkim, Earth Shock).

I've also heard reports of people doing well with control warlock, presumably leveraging a similarly wide pool of board clears (defile, hellfire, etc) until they can drop Skull of the M'Nari.

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Meanwhile, some people on reddit are hyping up Odd Paladin. I....have tried it, and don't get the hype actually. You have one less crab, no ship's cannon, no mechwarper, so you can fall way behind on turn 2-3, and Paladin really doesn't have odd board clears, so like...you'd better draw a crab to kill that ship's cannon/mechwarper (and you can't even run golakka crawler so you have fewer crabs, although Crystology helps you draw hungry crab). If you can survive a few turns, sure, the hero power will out-value most decks, but Odd Paladin doesn't really feel like it has the tools to come back when way behind on board. (Maybe Odd Pally counters the Scargill control/combo deck, cause they need to spend board clears on your 1/1s? But that matchup is so rare that I've never played against it)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/cshgli/tomb_of_terror_gets_a_releasewindow/exh0i7l/?context=1

mdonais: "Yep, we will give more info on balance changes this week hopefully."
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

1) Are there any tech cards that could swing the zoo matchup that aren't terrible for the general goal of quest hunter?

Depends on the variant of zoo. But in general board clears and big taunts, so like Explosive Trap, Baron Geddon, having a decent sized mech on the board and then magnetizing Zilliax onto it.

For context, no hunter deck has a really good matchup against zoo, but the ones with close-to 50-50 are
Highlander, Mech, and Secret Hunter.

(I would also probably mulligan the quest against zoo; you need to get board control and run them out of gas, you probably have the lategame anyway).

2) failing that, what deck curb stomps zoo in the event that I see so many I need to switch decks?

If you want an actual counter deck, the deck that shits on zoo is control warrior.

Actually, I think full on taunt handbuff warrior with Into the Fray and Infested Goblin probably kills it even harder. Something like this:

https://hsreplay.net/decks/vPOeXQhN82pudYDH6qLz5/
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GANON1025 posted...

But I guess that means I'll probably want to craft High Priest Amet.

Nah, I think Quest makes the High Priest Amet deck worse.

The deck that actually wants Quest is wall Mass Resurrection priest.

Here's a sample decklist:

https://hsreplay.net/decks/HtL45zdK6nR0YJyV2o4EQh/

Which...does probably require Catrina Muerte. (King Pharoris looks pretty cuttable). But typically doesn't run High Priest Amet.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

metroid composite posted...

I have it, I'm not running it (on purpse) don't think it's good in the deck.

Particularly since I don't have micro mummies, so there's basically nothing to magnetize onto.

Snip by itself is good against control, especially if you're running Zilliax.

I mean, the deck is designed specifically to beat control warrior with Mechano-Egg, and Mechanical Whelp as zilliax/hero power targets, and lots of reborn minions just to complete the quest. I'm 100% against control warrior so far.

The deck is looking for more ways to not die, and ways to beat enormous minions early on (like a big High Priest Ahmet board, or conjurer's callinged giants).

Know what card I wish was still in standard? Stoneskin Basilisk. I would run that in this deck unironically. Good target for the hero power.

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/crfk09/kripp_nerfs_vs_blizzard_nerfs_kripp_prediction/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

Dean Ayala, Kripp, and Rania came into my thread. Good times.

Nice!
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azuarc posted...

metroid composite posted...

Missing Sn1p Sn4p.

How can you be missing sn1p sn4p? We all got that one for free.

I have it, I'm not running it (on purpse) don't think it's good in the deck.

Particularly since I don't have micro mummies, so there's basically nothing to magnetize onto.
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I gave in and crafted Making Mummies so that I would have an anti-warrior deck. Named my deck "Fuck Warrior" so that it would show up like that in Blizzard's deck aggregation.

I didn't craft any other cards for the deck. No Da Undatakah. No Micro Mummy (epic for some reason). No Crystalsmith Kangor.

I went partially off of this post:

https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/cpdwa5/quest_heal_paladin_w_crystalsmith_kangor_high/

Which cut the Micro Mummy for a better Kangor's Endless Army (one legendary I do have). I don't have Siamat, but I have seen stats on Tirion being ok in this deck, so I ran that. I also have High Priest Thekal, which I ran here despite not having Crystalsmith Kangor to pair it with.

Other than that, just 2-of'd some of the 1-of cards in that list to fill in cards I don't have (2x Truesilver, 2x Khartut Defender). I'm running only one Blessing of Wisdom, but it has been solid despite the lack of Siamat in my list.

Compared to more traditional lists...not running Questing Adventurer (which the above guide recommends against saying blessing of wisdom is better; thinking I might go up to 1x Questing tho, the guide assumes Siamat) missing Micro Mummy (which the guide also recommends against) missing Da Undatakah (which...man, I find it hard to catch moments when the pressure is low enough to play Tirion, let alone Da Undatakah, and haven't lost a warrior match despite not having cast Kangor's against them, so I don't think I need extra value). Missing Sn1p Sn4p. I think it's bad if I'm not running Micro Mummy; nothing to magnetize onto early.

Some people on CompetitiveHS are down on Ancestral Guardian (the 4/2 lifesteal). I...don't agree, having played a bunch of hunter for tavern brawl I know hunter just hates that card (they have to kill it, but when they kill it the opponent still gains like 10 health).

Probably not the single best build of this deck, but feels pretty functional. Honestly, I think you can make this deck with just Quest + common/rare reborn minions + 2 mech eggs, 2 mech whelps + Zilliax + annoy-o-module + good paladin cards like consecrate etc.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

jeb! got branded as a RINO? didn't know that. sephyg loved him!

I dunno if people used the RINO label, but I know he was actually a moderate on a bunch of social issues, whereas say George W ran as a hardliner on all the social issues, and got his early primary support from that.

Corrik7 posted...

Ivanka is very much a feminist and down the middle.

Trump was a democrat before also though.

Trump at some point obviously flipped (near as I can tell he started listening to Alex Jones and started believing conspiracy theories; or at least early in the primary he built his base out of that segment of republicans).

I don't see Ivanka getting the nom without doing a similar flip, or at least pretending to. And so far she's shown no sign of doing so.

I guess she could go for the Democrat nomination, but the Trump name would hurt her there.
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Ivanka? Rumor has it she was registered as a democrat up until her father's presidential run. The speech she gave at the RNC was basically bog standard feminism. She's been known to donate to charities that support abortion (although lately she's been dodging all abortion questions).

I mean, I'd be happy if she was the republican nominee. She'd be the most appealing (to me) Republican nominee in years. She'd also be a candidate with quite a bit of experience, given how much she does in the current administration. So...yeah, honestly a solid pick

But TBH I'd be really surprised if she made it out of the primary. I think she'll get branded as a RINO like...fucking instantly. This is what happened to Jeb Bush, who is probably to the right of Ivanka politically so....
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LiquidOshawott posted...

You can go infinite with dopplegangsters and grumble too

If you are using Dopple/Grumble, you're gonna run out of hand space fast, so most of the zeph spells won't even end up in your hand. (Also you won't have that much incentive to cast Zephrys spells instead of just winning with shudderwock, unless Zeph is like your only win condition battlecry).

If you want to use Zeph a lot, probably the singleton Rogue deck makes the most sense of the decks I've seen. Shadowstep, waggle pick, and in wild throw in Zola, Valeera the Hollow, vanish...
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Camden posted...

metroid composite posted...

They fixed some bugs in Zephrys AI:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/hearthstone/t/zephrys-hotfix-august-8-2019/11835

And if you want to see Zeph single handedly winning a game:

https://twitter.com/eileen_nico/status/1159080534980476929

I know it's Odd Rogue, but how do you not kill Zephrys in that position?

I mean...bearing in mind that Odd Rogue doesn't know the Warlock's hand...when I see turn 7 Frost Nova, I'm thinking "turn 8 Godfrey or Twisting Nether, turn 9 Void Lord, turn 10 Gul'Dan".

If they have twisting nether or Godfrey, you want to go face here.

If they have nothing, you still want to go face probably. (Chances are Rogue is holding Fungalmancer or Leeroy, so they likely want to trade off one board space anyway).

It's bad against Zola, obviously. But once Zola comes down...same arguments really: probably stalling for a board clear. With the added argument of "the only deck in wild that runs Barista Linchen is Shudderwock Shaman, so they shouldn't be able to bounce Zephrys again...right?"
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They fixed some bugs in Zephrys AI:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/hearthstone/t/zephrys-hotfix-august-8-2019/11835

And if you want to see Zeph single handedly winning a game:

https://twitter.com/eileen_nico/status/1159080534980476929
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Bomb Hunter does well against that deck because it summons a billion goblin bombs to keep their armor off. Then you just go tall and all they have for removal are brawls, devastators, and BGH. Ive beaten many a control warrior with that deck by just going all in on one thing before they hit 10 mana.

I mean, it used to do well, but I'm about 1-5 against CW in Tavern Brawl right now.

CW picked up

* Frightened Flunky
* Restless Mummy
* Armagedillo
* Tomb Warden
* And sometimes Plague of Wrath

All of which are really quite good against bomb hunter.

Flunky and Mummy give early board control on a level CW didn't have pre-expansion.

Armagedillo is itself a huge taunt, and tends to cause CW to follow up with even more huge taunts. You can deal with a few huge taunts with spider bombs and stuff...but not a ton.

Tomb Warden is kind of obnoxious to deal with; even un-pumped, it's two pretty big taunts.

Plague of Wrath...there's a tendency for all your minions to be damaged (and half the time you're the one who damaged them via missile launcher).

HSReplay is showing this matchup as being Warrior favoured right now.
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Holy shit I finally beat a control warrior in a tavern brawl (with mech hunter).

One with like zero cards from the new expansion, a.k.a. the deck I used to be able to beat. But still!
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Tried tip the scales Paladin again in Tavern Brawl to give it a second chance.

2-3. OK, no, once was maybe a fluke, but I just don't think this deck is performing for me.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Tip The Scales costs 7, silly. The point of the deck is tutoring with Prism so you can play Scales for a cheap cost and faceroll.

Tip the Scales costs 8.

And yeah, I've played the deck, and I've had Tip the Scales reduced to 1 mana. Except...when it is reduced to 1 mana, I tend to have a bunch of unspent mana on the turn that I play it. So in practice, getting a 1 mana tip the scales and 3 mana tip the scales isn't...really all that different when it's coming off a prismatic lens.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I think I'm going to try my hand at the Highlander Quest Rogue deck that's made the rounds in China. Looks unbelievably fun.

The guide I was looking at actually recommended against the quest, just because you have a lot less thief cards to even trigger the quest due to being singleton.

(On the other hand, apparently Tess Greymane is actually good in this deck, because of spells you get off of Zephrys are actually worth repeating, so that's new and different).
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UltimaterializerX posted...

azuarc posted...

I tried Tip the Scales last night. It's good, but not as nutty as Kripp's video made it seem.

Did you play it for 1 mana?

I mean in my experience it doesn't really matter too much if it's 1 mana or 3 mana, after you cast it you won't be able to play any other minions or hero power because your board will be full so >_>
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8-3 again with Mech Hunter.

I am getting pretty bored of playing this deck, though, so I should probably find an alternative. I did open one Tip the Scales, so I could try murloc Paladin. I don't have Zephrys or Finley, but like...the deck is full of dupes, so I think I can get away without them. Crafted the prismatic lenses a while back.

Aaand ok, crafted Tip the Scales and went 3-3 with Scales Paladin. Maybe that was a mistake :/
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8-3 in my first Tavern Brawl. Went with Mech (bomb) hunter as I wanted something to counter Warrior. Lost to literally every Warrior I faced. >_>

I don't really know what the answer to Warrior is right now, but hey, got 230 gold from that run, entry fee is 150, should be able to just farm this event.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Priest quest is bad. It has the same problem Dinomancy, old dk shaman, and new hunter quest has. Once they lose the board its usually game over.

It's a lot better than Dinomancy to be fair. Dinomancy does nothing on an empty board, priest can still heal face (and is better than your baseline hero power, so it's never a downgrade like Dinomancy can be). Dinomancy only hits beasts, and beasts tend to be really easy to clear. Priest hero power can be used with actually sticky minions like reborn and deathrattles and what not. Also +3/+6 (potentially) instead of +2/+2.
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GANON1025 posted...

I got the Shaman Quest, among other good legendaries, which I'm happy about. But I don't have Shudderwock, and I'm not sure I want to craft him either.

I dunno if you need to craft him for the quest deck. You can't even activate the hero power before playing shudderwock. (Obviously it's fine in any deck with a bunch of battlecries, but I don't think it's mandatory).
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davidponte posted...

I got the Warrior, Priest, and Shaman quests in 45 packs. Which ones are good?

Shaman is the early one that people think is very good.

I've seen people on CompetitiveHS hyping warrior, which is a bit of a surprise, because the expectation was that it would be worse than Dr Boom. Apparently ok in some kind of aggro/tempo deck.

Priest quest...is very scary on paper, just nobody has figured out a deck to put it in yet.
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