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Pirate_Harris posted...

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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.

Alright, I wasn't being confident because a confident pirate is a scum pirate

Then make it just Pirate.

I can try doop and that's all I can guarantee

Good, that's all anyone can ask for.

You'd think I could ask for Town to listen to me on just ONE of four goddamn lynches but apparently I can't ask for that so that just leaves trying.
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Chris, if you want to stop dying so much, just continue your Chris lessons (tm) and make us all as good as you so you aren't the obvious NK anymore.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.

Alright, I wasn't being confident because a confident pirate is a scum pirate

Then make it just Pirate.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.

How doop? How did I do a lot better? you saw me after day 2, I was absolutely insane

Alright, let me put it a different way.

Almost everything you did poorly was as a direct result of your self-conviction that you were playing wrong.

If you had been more confident in yourself instead of spending all game smacking your head against a wall, you could have helped us think about the game and come to new conclusions. When you did that, you did it well. Don't get stuck in the idea of not being able to help.
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Chris, any way I could have improved my play other than not being a lazy fuck?
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Pirate, your scans were unlucky, but they weren't blatantly awful. Besides, we told you not to scan pretty much anyone who ended up actually being scum. Be more confident in yourself, you did a lot better than you think you did.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Frankly, you ought to just sign up as a replacement

This just seems like it would lead to another lame metagame tbh

"man it looks like conversation's pretty dead and no one has any leads
lemme replace real fast and let Chris demolish the scumteam with the 3-4 days of knowledge he has on them"
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Ugh. I thought I was playing better this game than I ever have as Town, but I still only managed to get half the scum team right.

In my defense, the only lynch this game I was in favor of was the only lynch that hit scum.
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Pendragon71037 posted...

>we probably can't mislynch anymore
>we're lynching Pen today

Pick one.

guys I wanted to lynch him before but he makes a good point here /s
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Scum
Pen - Very scummy play at the beginning of the game, making posts with a lot of words and not much to say. We definitely don't have two Doctors, and I don't think Terra 1-for-1s with this player.
geno - If I have to choose between geno and Sultan, I guess I'll say that geno's claim looks worse to me than Sultan's play, but it's pretty close between the two.
Lolo - prolly three scum left yeah that seems right

Town
IGCD & FD - Uncountered Cop claim and Townscan from an uncountered Cop claim.
HB & Hombad - Their play screams Town to me, HB approaches everything from the perspective of Town trying to find their way, and Hombad's just doing so much in the way of thinking that he just wouldn't have a reason to do if he were scum.
Terra - I mean someone has to have saved Harris unless he's scum and playing us all by intentionally missing a night kill, and both Terra and Pen are scum that claimed Doctor to try and confirm whoever doesn't get lynched, but if that's true, then they deserve the win tbqh
Sultan - His play has seemed pretty bad to me, his aggressiveness and insistence on the same points over and over reminds me of scum me, but there have been times where he fails to understand things in such a way that I think he has to be Town. My weakest Town read, but I still think he's Town over geno
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Yeah, Smash has most of my attention right now, but is there anyone other than Pen, geno, and Sultan that's not okay with lynching Pen today?
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate, confirming three Town and pretty much guaranteeing another scan isn't bad, so stop complaining about yourself and make your Sultan/geno reads less neutral.

This isn't a bit doop... I have to go offline tomorrow and I won't be Available until a week passes... I'm getting a replace now so I won't be a hindrance to town when you need an extra vote...

Alright, that's a good reason.
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Pirate, confirming three Town and pretty much guaranteeing another scan isn't bad, so stop complaining about yourself and make your Sultan/geno reads less neutral.
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So that likely leaves scum to be Pen, Lolo, and Sultan/geno. Nice.

##Vote: Pen
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Surely both docs AND cop can't all be lying...
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Shonen's still ahead of Pen, right? Cool. Let's lynch geno.
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ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Shonen's better than pen, I suppose. I would REALLY like either a geno or a Sultan lynch, though.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

doop I've been playing fine I've given good point and you just saying I'm a bad player is just mean because I've been pointing out things people said where useful so you're just saying I'm a bad player beacuse you want me lynched

You're right that it's mean to call you bad, and I'm sorry. What I mean to say is that you're new and that the traits I see in you that I associate with scum could possibly be explained by you not yet being experienced enough to know better, and that's why I want someone who's played with you before to tell me if this lines up with your previous Town play.

Also your argument for geno being Town is legitimately bad and I'm trying to get geno lynched over you and if I was trying to get you lynched I wouldn't be calling you a bad player because that explains your actions as Town.
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Like I don't disagree that Shonen is probably scum but it's best to figure out the Sultan/geno situation sooner rather than later.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me

Pichu missed three games and is coming back.
Hbattle did not claim miller.

Idk is battle lying?Or are all 3 good claims?

We're saying it's inconsistent for both you and geno to actually be Millers, what with the flavor difference, the fact that flavors are randomized (another point against geno btw), and the difference in the way your roles supposedly work.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Doop.

Give me your argument on who to vote for and I'll respond.

Either geno or Sultan is fine with me. geno because I think his claim is super weird, what with being a Town-aligned Newcomer Veteran with a Newcomer flavor (which he doesn't need since there's no flavor cop) that scans Town and also doesn't know his role but when he does learn it it just turns out he scans scum now but it still Town-aligned.

For Sultan, I think his play has been awful, with lots of unnecessary aggression, refusal to listen to counterpoints to his arguments, and just general baddery, though this could be explained by him being a new player.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

What game were you in before this one that had multiple millers?

Not that I've been in but its possible

Note that in the example ben listed, Millers scan as Town because of the Insane Cop. It's just that scum scans Town and Town power scans scum.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

Then why is he Ridley, a Newcomer, and you're Pokemon Trainer, a Veteran?

Ridley comes in ultimate, Pokemon trainer is in brawl

Yes, I know. The question was referring to why Sultan thinks both of these roles are Town-aligned Millers.

Another question, why is no one else even addressing my arguments?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

Then why is he Ridley, a Newcomer, and you're Pokemon Trainer, a Veteran?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN
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First Jedi, then Han, now this? How hard is it to get you guys to make decent lynches?
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Even if we guess wrong between geno and Sultan, we know the other is almost certainly scum. With the Pen/Terra situation, that's close to 2 confirmed scum in 3 days. Seriously, get your votes off of Pen and honestly Shonen as well.
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hombad46 posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.

Is it accurate now?

No, I'm voting geno.

Everyone on Pen needs to get the fuck off. Shonen is an acceptable lynch but I'd really rather get rid of either Sultan or geno since I think one of them is almost certainly scum.

Yeah, side with the guy who waited until the other miller claim went to bed with 3 hours left in the day to counterclaim. That's not scummy at all.

It wouldn't take much to shift me to Sultan right now, but I do think that geno's claimed role is just too absurd to exist.
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ben, get your vote off Pen. You said yourself that I had a point, stop making anti-Town plays.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.

Is it accurate now?

No, I'm voting geno.

Everyone on Pen needs to get the fuck off. Shonen is an acceptable lynch but I'd really rather get rid of either Sultan or geno since I think one of them is almost certainly scum.
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@Terra-enforcer hey could you get in here and either formally counterclaim or not counterclaim because if you aren't Doctor then this entire Pen debate is null and void.
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Sultan, why didn't it raise any red flags for you when geno claimed Miller?
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Sultan, be clear, go to your role PM, tell us the whole line for what you are, and tell us your flavor.

To clarify, do not copy/paste anything, just tell us your character and the entire title of your role. Don't go getting modkilled.
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Sultan, how did you not know what your role did?
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No one here thinks both Sultan and geno are Town, right?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Why the fuck did Sultan claim at all?

Millers should generally, if not always, claim as soon as possible.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I have no idea whats going on anymore.

Though to Doop: I think theres been far too many coincidences to call flavor random anymore.

If Shonen's scum then you're the only actual coincidence. Mewtwo's Disable makes way more sense as RB than Fox' Reflector, and Simon makes more sense as Jack than Incineroar.

Nevertheless, there are other problems I have with geno's claim, and Sultan's play is so awful I'm considering switching to him anyway.
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God, surely there weren't two scum on the team that decided to claim Miller? Sultan is digging himself a real deep hole right now.
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geno
The claim
geno's claim is worrying on all sorts of levels. The particular way his role is structured, Newcomer Veteran, only works with Ridley (arguably Daisy/Chrom/Dark Samus, but the point still stands), even though flavor is randomized. Additionally, there's no flavor cop, so there's no reason for a Town-aligned Miller to have Ridley, a newcomer, as its flavor. Finally, the Drunk stuff is just weird. "You're Newcomer Veteran with a newcomer flavor and are aligned with Town, but you scan Town and don't know what your actual role is until Night 2, when we reveal you actually scan scum from here on out." Like, that's just convoluted.
The play
Honestly, I haven't played with geno recently enough to be good enough to tell between his Town and scum play. All I know is that he sometimes makes really stupid mistakes as both alignments, so unless he says something literally damning him as scum, that's not gonna be a tell.

Sultan
The claim
The best play for Miller is usually to claim in the first post of the game. Instead, Sultan waits until Day 4, after everyone else in the game except for Terra has claimed and a wild card Cop has been known since Day 2. If he's scum, a Miller claim is lazy, and if he's Town, waiting this long is stupid.
The play
There are two main things I've noticed from Sultan's play this game. First, he's aggressive. He's not afraid to attack people he disagrees with, even getting into a fight with Chris (Chris!) on Day 1. Second, he sticks to his arguments. Rather than expand upon them or respond to people who try to counter them, he just repeats the same things over and over until they stick. I'm not familiar with Sultan's play, but I know he's new, so I'd like someone with more experience with him to tell me if that's bad or scummy.

Overall, while I've liked Sultan's play a lot less, geno's claim is too much for me to overlook. Just... why would that role exist, especially in a game with randomized flavors? I think he just slipped when he said Town wasn't Veterans, and has poorly tried to patch together his role since then. ##Vote: geno
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Of the five viable scan options, I'm very confident in HB and Hombad as Town, so Pirate should scan either ben, Lolo, or Shonen (if he lasts the day).

Now to figure out which Miller claim I want to lynch more.

So terra, hb and Hombad are bad scans, correct?

Terra and Pen are bad scans because they will either be killed tonight or are scum, so that will resolve itself naturally.

Sultan and geno are bad scans because they are guaranteed to scan scum, either because they're Miller or because they're scum.

I think HB and Hombad are bad scans because, in my opinion, their play alone asserts them Town, and there's no reason for a scan to confirm that.
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By the way ben, Pen is a mathematically awful lynch today. Assuming Terra actually counterclaims doc, either Pen or Terra dies tonight unless scum wants to leave the Doctor alive... which isn't going to happen. The other one is scum. Therefore, this lynch resolves itself tomorrow NO MATTER WHAT with NO CHANCE OF ACCIDENTALLY LYNCHING DOC as long as we lynch literally anyone else today. I think it should be either geno or Sultan. In fact, ##Unvote
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Of the five viable scan options, I'm very confident in HB and Hombad as Town, so Pirate should scan either ben, Lolo, or Shonen (if he lasts the day).

Now to figure out which Miller claim I want to lynch more.
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We're going to lynch someone other than Pen or Terra today, preferably Shonen, and then lynch whichever isn't killed overnight (alternatively, Terra isn't actually Doctor and Pen is just Town).

Neither Sultan nor geno should be scanned.

Obviously, neither Pen nor Terra should be scanned either.

That leaves ben, Hombad, HB, Lolo, and Shonen.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Doop wouldnt you say Pichu lightning rod is a big coincidence too?

I... already did, actually. Though less so since there are several lightning-themed characters in Smash, but only Jigglypuff is associated with sleep.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

I buy the Pendragon claim. Everything he said checks out with the way he played. Shonen's the tricky one, though. The idea of both Jiggs rolling Prosty and the host butchering the role seems absurd, but it's also weird to sleep with the person you're going to kill. Maybe it was just a way to try to get Shonen "confirmed" if there was a Doc? Scum team knew massclaim was coming tomorrow anyway.

Was it ever stated roles AND flavor are randomized? Because that has seemed wrong this entire game, starting with the bounty hunter with a famously powerful attack being vig.

Mario as Cop?
Fox as RB?
Simon as Vanilla and Incineroar as Jack?

I think it's safe to say the host did what the host told us he was going to do.
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I buy the Pendragon claim. Everything he said checks out with the way he played. Shonen's the tricky one, though. The idea of both Jiggs rolling Prosty and the host butchering the role seems absurd, but it's also weird to sleep with the person you're going to kill. Maybe it was just a way to try to get Shonen "confirmed" if there was a Doc? Scum team knew massclaim was coming tomorrow anyway.
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