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Actually liking Corrik's early commentary.

First post is a vote for someone, and his early grilling of SBell

Corrik posted...

I wanna know how you know what town Harris would and would not do. You are talking out of your ass.

Corrik posted...

You are. You can't even point out to games he was town and the differences in his play in them.

(#144 is when it starts)

This seems familiar to me, which I like.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

He's playing lazy and with no fire. I'm telling you.

I actually agree to an extent, I'm used to a far more vicious Corrik. But day 1 + apparently crazy game.

...But I don't attribute that to him being town. Granted this is based on my mindset which is pretty sketchy even to me.

Has Corrik changed his playstyle significantly the past couple of months?
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It was an honor.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Hey Chris, let's cut right to the chase. If you're truly reverse day gambler, then trust me and bet your life on me. This is the power move. We know it is, no less. There's no bigger gain for town on day 1 than eliminating the #1 source of Board 8 Special day 1 lynches. I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum and I'm ready to get this ball rolling ASAP. Let's make this happen.

Trying to think.... how likely is a scum Kanz to make this proposition? Granted a GF wouldn't have to worry nearly as much, this is still putting the spotlight on himself.
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So Scare.

Pretend you're not in this game.

Why was Harris' behavior town?
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I should be on Scare, ben.

Obellisk posted...

I don't like dyl coming in with the scare vote. I already want happy with his Han battle, his argument was awful. And I was never sold on pirate I merely wanted answers from scare which I now have even though it was like pulling teeth

Okay, so what's your defense of Scare then?
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Johnbobb posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

So what's the sitch with zyxyz? He coming back or getting replaced?

wait what happened with her? I must've missed that

They haven't posted for nearly a day. Their last post on page 2.

Zyxyz0 posted...

maybe I should just replace out and/or get formally banned from games, this keeps happening

If they're getting replaced then I'll shut up about it, but if they changed their mind and are still playing they really do need to participate more.
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Hey don't lump me with "you all", I'm still waiting for the "Harris is town because...." memo. >_>

So what's the sitch with zyxyz? He coming back or getting replaced?
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Yes but you'd think he'd be able to explain why a little better.
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Yeah okay, Scare only have 4 votes with bob's recent.

##Unvote: Han
##Vote: Scare

Both Han and Scare were like "Harris is so towny guys!", still waiting on the how and why.
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htaeD posted...

The thing with Scare is..
Would scumharris have the balls to attack townChris so early?

It could be an attempt at bravado. Going after Chris, but no in a way that'd piss him off. Makes you look bold. That was my problem with Harris in the first place. He beat his chest about going after Chirs... but doesn't really do much with it. He didn't grill the man, he didn't try to get other people to vote up Chris for pressure.

Corrik posted...

Crybabying. Crybabies early in the game are usually town.

Me and Chris agreed on that when zyz was all like I shouldn't even have signed up for this game the flavor doesn't even match the roles and I only did for that.

If he was scum, his crybabying woulda been done on that on the scumboard.

I'm not sure I agree with "solid town" but I do get what you're saying. He's a new player so he'd probably ask for help on the scumboard before doing what he did in public if he was scum. I'd like to see more from him before calling him town/scum though.

ScareChan posted...

I claim the kill and that pirate was embarrassed and left and town killer in that spot

You're claiming town invisible day vig? A shot that's borderline gamethrowing if he were town?

Yeah, I have no problem with a Scare lynch.

How many votes are on him atm? Dude really isn't in a position to be so stubborn when his player slot was pretty suspicious.
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Hey everyone. Looking over what happened while I was away...

turbopuns2 posted...

This seems like an awfully naive statement.

Again, I know nothing of the source flavor. But, to suggest that the entire scope of a flavor is restricted to knowing specific characters? Uhm. Have you played mafia before? Being familiar with the general universe we are existing in could very easily offer a likely explanation for someone mysteriously dying.

I'm not at all sure why you'd assume that a death must by definition be strictly associated with specific characters without any possible chance of being explained generally.

You misunderstood. What I mean is that the Ultimate ability people choose doesn't necessary mean it's related to their ability. So yes someone picked "Ultimate gunslinger" but by default that doesn't mean they'd get a killing ability(Not ruling it out, but that's a pretty sketchy reason to go for a lynch alone).

As for the Danganronpa universe, yet there are a few characters that could preform sneaky kills, but that doesn't exactly help us out here.

I'm seeing people criticize my exchange with Han. My vote on him was initially to see his reaction, and his reaction was pretty poor in my eyes. If someone has a townread on him though then, I'll hear you out.

Doopliss_Power posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Your insistence that DYL has nothing on you is much worse than what he had on you in the first place

Would it have been better if he flat out ignored it or just said "yeah, you're right, it's scummy", if that's the that case?

What would have been nice would be "oh, I did this because of this", not "you're scummy for calling me out".

This was exactly what I was looking for. Explanation. Han instead felt it prudent to complain instead of demonstrate why he's town.
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None of us selected characters as far as I know, so there's really no point in worrying about flavor since it's just "Ultimate [whatever we choose]"

If scum really has an invisible dayvig though, then this game is straight up bastard.
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...I think there's just a lot to... unpack here.
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.... How common is mafia/indy dayvig?

A zero risk day kill(Maf KNOWS who's town) seems rather powerful.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I did give reads. You apparently can't even read.

"X is Scum" "Y is Town" are one liners, not actual reads that explain your thoughts.

We're lynching Han day 1.
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Neablis posted...

Secondly Link, your argument is sort of becoming sort of strange in how it is growing and changing.

You start and argue with us about han activity making him scum. You do mention his reaction being interesting in initial scum read granted. And it feels like once that tactic didn't get traction you slipped into saying his reaction is the main reason which isn't true with the context of the thread.

Okay let me walk you through this.

1. I vote him up when I realize he hasn't been around for 22 hours. No explanation for why he hasn't even attempted to read until just then. and he further decides to vote in ignorance. For all he knows, puns was day vigged. He wouldn't know!

2. His reaction to me voting him is to counter vote me, and to suggest he thought I was "probably town that says scummy things"(A rather safe stance).

3. He then further states that Harris is "the most obvious Town I've ever seen" and that me suspecting him made me scum even before my vote on him(Where he said I was "probably town")

HanOfTheNekos posted...

But really, Harris by page 3 is the most obvious Town I've ever seen and you casting slight shade on him made me sure you're Scum before this shitty ass vote on me.

No explanation for the town read on Harris. And if he thought I was scum for my interaction with Harris on page 3....

Why did he call me "Probably town" in his previous post? The one where he acknowledged I voted for him?

He then continues to give no real information while complaining about me. He'd rather spend time bickering with me than getting his thoughts in order.

It reads a lot like someone who's mad at being pressured, and someone who doesn't want to be questioned.
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FFS Han, you've wasted this much time bitching about me and you've yet to given a single solid argument for anyone being town/scum. I don't want one sentence lines, I don't want kneejerk reactions.

I want full fucking reads, with actual fucking explanations.

Or, just keep insulting me.
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So if I'm reading that correctly, Chris guessing wrong would kill him during night phase instead of day phase. So... scum had a way to kill during day without revealing?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

That's literally all you said.

Literally incorrect.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

DYL... I am the best Scumhunter on this board. I frequently hit Scum with literally their first post of the game.

The "best" Scumhunter throws a kneejerk counter vote? I don't care about your status because there's no reason to believe you're town this game. Maybe give an argument that's worth a damn instead of getting so worked up.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Here's what fucking gets me - for one, nobody should suspect me for lack of activity. Anybody who does that is a shit player and I would hope that this community doesn't still have players who think someone is Scum for not having seen the game yet.

Indeed. It's what you did with your activity that's suspect.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Bitch, I'm Town.

Show me.
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Dark Young Link posted...

1. My reason for thinking Han is scum is not sorely due to him being away for so long.

*solely
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Neablis posted...

And honestly han has the most reads in the thread now.

You seriously call those "reads"?

I could pull better out of my rear in 5 minutes. It's hardly better than Zyx going "I don't know" about the whole game.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Then you have a life

My computer bricked earlier and if work had not been super sedate today I wouldn't have been able to post until around this hour. This is like the worst reason to suspect someone ever when so little time has passed.

Kanz, two things.

1. My reason for thinking Han is scum is not sorely due to him being away for so long.

2. Consider how Han entered the game.

He didn't come here and say "Hey, sorry I've been away. I'm catching up now."

No, instead he went "Hey, I only read the 1st page but I want to vote up this player."

The game has two pages, and you're telling me you're going to instant vote someone on page 1 when you have no idea how 95% of the game went?

And instead of actually going back, and giving your thoughts about what happened in a way that shows you're interested in the game(Which more than likely will convince anyone who suspects you due to your lack of activity to feel better about you).... you counter vote someone and give next to zero explanation as to why you think someone is town/scum.

Han being away for so long is suspicions, but his reaction to being pressured is what makes him scum in my eyes. That isn't a town mentality.
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Neablis posted...

People have lives

Yes they do.

Showing up here once before nearly a day passes shouldn't be too demanding. If you sign up for the game of mafia, you are agreeing to put aside some time to play a game of mafia. If it takes you nearly a day to show up, and you can't be fucked to put in any effort into the game...
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For someone who claims to be good at reading people, you sure can't seem to grasp my reasoning for voting you.

Enough with the whining and excuses.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

So you're voting me... for not having read the game until this point?

Why were you gone for 22 hours?

What excuse do you have for not reading the game at all for so long?

That is what I am asking of you, and you've done nothing but throw a hissy fit.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

ok yeah, SBell also Scum. Town wouldn't be defensively counter-voting, they'd actually be asking for clarification.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

... Are you seriously voting me for only having read 1 page?

##Unvote: Puns
##Vote: DYL

After page 3 my notes say "DYL probably Town - says Scummy things but that feels in line with what I would expect DYL to do as Town" but I guess that's wrong

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Y'know that's legit a bad look on DYL but I'm not sure if it's because he's bad or he's scum. Hmmmmmm.

Hrm? What is?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

You literally fucking voted me for not having read the game yet. Then you turned around and said "you're acting like someone who hasn't read the game yet" while insisting that I've been playing despite not having read the game yet.

No.

Dark Young Link posted...

Had to double check to see if Han posted before. Nearly 24 hours

Dark Young Link posted...

No I'm voting for you for having been gone for nearly an entire day, and you failed to use any of that time to read anything besides the joking phase of the game.

As you keep glossing over, I am criticizing you not being here for an entire day, and having only just now decided to read up on the game you signed up for. I said you're just now playing, because you were doing nothing for the first 22 hours.

Looking at your notes.... why did you even bother? You only have the bases of explanation for Corrik(Due to his reaction), Sheep(Due to.... scans?) and a neutral spot for Chris because it's safe(He'd suspect you if you called him town so casually, and murder you if you dared accuse him of scum)

If this is all the effort Han is going to put in the game...

If there's a town vig, you are free to shoot Han in the face.
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I"m scum because I voted you?

I mean you won't actually explain anything. You're just "This guy is scum" "This guy is town" and expecting town to just magically know your thought process.
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I'm seeing complaining, but no actual explanation.
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Wolf Link sent his regards.
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The constant shitposting (Many by fresh accounts) was enough of a clue on that one.

Draven is a forced meme, nothing more. I mean, unless he's on your team and the enemy jungler is capable of diving. Then he's a forced meme and free gold.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Can you not read?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I've only read page 1

Am I missing something? You weren't here for the first 22 hours. You popped in just now, so that seems like "Just now playing the game" to me.
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So are you saying that you aren't interested in finding scum Zyzyz?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

You're voting me for not reading during the time I did not read?

You had nearly an entire 24 hours to read. You're telling me you're just now beginning to play the game? You don't show up at all topic 1, and you show up now and you don't have an excuse for being absent let alone for having had no time to read. Not even a "Hey, sorry I've been away I had [reason]".

HanOfTheNekos posted...

But really, Harris by page 3 is the most obvious Town I've ever seen and you casting slight shade on him made me sure you're Scum before this shitty ass vote on me.

Boy I sure do trust someone who hasn't read the game until just now. Why exactly would Harris be "the most obvious town"? Is it safe to say you viewed my suspicion as him as scummy? Or is that solely because I placed a vote on you and you view me as the easiest to fight off?
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Zyxyz0 posted...

somehow literally everyone reads towny to me

No suspicions whatsoever?

Could you explain your town reads please?
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No I'm voting for you for having been gone for nearly an entire day, and you failed to use any of that time to read anything besides the joking phase of the game.

Nice reaction though.
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Had to double check to see if Han posted before. Nearly 24 hours

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I've only read page 1

##Unvote: Sheep
##Vote: Han
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Owned Corrik Owned.

(I was about to point out how sketchy it is to use out of game info.)
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Sweet.

So Chris, is my thinking right regarding Sheep? What do you think of him and bob?
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Wish you had given some final thoughts just in case you guessed wrong, but at least this gives us a nice day 1 info.

(Well, unless you're scum lying about your role but....)
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Sheep007 posted...

If there is a Jester or something of the like in this game, I am in no doubt that Puns is it. The fact I'm even considering Jester should be testament to how weird this behaviour is from what little I know of him.

Sheep007 posted...

Yeah, which is why I shouldn't really be considering it. But Puns behaviour is typical of a moderately decent player playing jester. However, Puns is more than moderately decent and could get himself lynched far more effectively and in a far less strange manner, which strikes me as even more odd because I can't think of many scenarios or roles with which what he's done so far would be particularly useful.

Sheep007 posted...

To answer DYL and Puns' requests. All of this is basically just pure wifom. The sort of stuff that, to me, makes newer players vote someone, or that crappy jesters try and do to get lynched. Neither of those things make any real sense whatsoever as any alignment. It's likely that I'm overthinking this all, and if I particularly felt Puns was scum I would be voting him already. But it just seems off and I can't tell why.

It just seems like to me you're open to the possibility of jester, even if you're not outright calling him it. It's like you're saying "Eh, Puns is suspicious for some reason but I don't want to pursue that."

That being said Sbell also brought jester up and I can't say I like that. Bomb is one thing, but why even consider jester knowing we don't use that role?
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A bunch? Alright.

##Vote: Sheep

I really don't like someone entertaining jester. Like I said, that can be used as a get out of jail free card for literally any scummy behavior, and I often saw it used as an excuse to not go after scum "I thought he was jester, that's why I didn't vote blatant scum...."

FFNut being new to B8 meta would justify him not knowing how things go around here, but Sheep really should know we don't do jester. It just seems like a way to accuse someone of being scum, without actually risking putting his vote out there.
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Does anyone know how many B8 games FFNut and Sheep have played?
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What do you think is the most likely scenario regarding puns?
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Oh hey, Sheep!

You say puns is trying to get people to vote for him.

Why do you believe that is again?
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Corrik posted...

Day isn't over yet.

Let's see.

DYL
Harris
Puns
Kanz
Death
Sheep
Johnbobb
Sbell

did I miss any?

Eh, I don't remember calling you scum Corrik. I said you seemed tamer than usual, but I haven't locked you in as scum yet. As proven by the lack of me killing you. >_>
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