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Knowledge_King posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Knowledge_King posted...

Being less violent isn't necessarily better though. If it results in people literally not being violent to the point of not defending themselves, that's a negative.

If we don't hit children when they misbehave (something they will almost never be allowed to do or have done to them in adulthood), then they literally won't defend themselves if attacked!

Sure, bro.

I said nothing about hitting children. Just that less violent isn't always good.

Less violence is good. Your "to the point they don't defend themselves" is some pedantic troll logic and has no basis in reality.
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Broken_Zeus posted...

eston posted...

400 cases for the entire US over a decade seems pretty low tbqh

Especially considering that many of those cops were likely charged with multiple rapes. It's possible that the rate among cops is lower than the general population.

Well it should be
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gnomefromnome posted...

I saw a spider today. A couple actually. Not once did I think about climbing. Just squishing it to death.

Spiders are the worst when they're a couple. They might have kids and make that dozens
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This is some true yankee redneck behavior
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Got someone suspended for q week at my job cause he ate my lunch and then lied about it. Thank God for cameras

Good. Worst kind of people.

Yup name was written on it too . Was beyond pissed. Guy ended up working one more week and the quitting for another job

Dude where I work kept getting his lunch stole (and he unloaded trucks, so he really needed that food). Now this was an older (late-50's) black guy, nicest dude you'd ever want to meet, but he got pissed. Went up to the pet department and got some of those dog treats that look like Oreos, then put them in his lunch bag.

Next day the lunch was only half-eaten, and after that, it never got touched again. ^_^

You know what's an even better food? Sugarless gummy bears
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Ireland blokes are a mess
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YonicBoom posted...

Sadly, I don't. My limited Mandarin-speaking abilities have faded from years of disuse. The plan is to go for that once I'm "done" with Japanese, but that could be a while. It's either that or bang out Spanish or French really quickly (like 1 year's time) just to reach that "self-sufficient" stage where learning becomes possible in the actual language. Learning what I have through this Japanese nightmare has made me fearless to tackle other languages going forward.

That's a shame. Mandarin would've really helped you out with Kanji and the similar sounding pronunciations of some words
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It covers the parent's head, steals the babies, and then leaves the parent there. Goddamn.
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seems to be a pattern this season. Goblin Slayer sounds like some generic trash but it has hardcore themes.
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These thugs are a blight
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GiftedACIII posted...

I guess it has to do something over the top to stand out to compensate for how lame the name is. Like just goblin slayer. I'm sure for the first few days just looking the title up would only give generic links about games where you can kill goblins lol.

But if there's an outrage that's dumb. Sounds like typical horror schlock. At least the goblins get their heads caved in for it.

Honestly I think the name and premise sounds boring as hell. It would have to give me a reason why I should care about some dude slaying goblins.
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Anteaterking posted...

I want to watch this show because it's willing to depict rape" is weird, I'm sorry.

GoT is a very weird show and the main purpose people watch it for its willingness to kill anyone is "weird" too.

Anteaterking posted...

You keep doing this thing where you respond to what I say ignoring what I was responding to. You just said "people wouldn't have thought slasher films were acceptable!" and I'm telling you they did

Now you're conflating mainstream and niche/cult interests. Normal people weren't fascinated by Jack the Ripper. The average person doesn't encourage their kids to read up on serial killers.
Back in the day even Rock music was unacceptable by moral guardians. Rape being unacceptable to be shown in media is in that same side of the coin. If we get down to it though I'm willing to bet the majority of people don't think rape is unacceptable in media. There's just a bigger vocal minority against it than murder. This topic is an example itself.
Anteaterking posted...

I'm not claiming it can't be done or that it hasn't been done well in the past. Just that in general it's weaker as a narrative element.

It's not weaker. It's just not done as much due to society's currently bigger aversion to it.

Irregardless posted...

I'm just gonna tag SubtletyRefuge as "Enjoys Rape" and move on.

Lol ok 40 karma alt. Not that it matters much since you'll probably getting banned within the next year anyway. I've tagged you as low IQ torture advocate though.

CyricZ posted...

Mythology is essentially the precursor to media, but I don't see how "if it was good thousands of years ago it's good now" is any kind of a worthwhile argument.

I'm not the one who brought up stuff from centuries ago.
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Irregardless posted...

There is no narrative reason for the rape in this series as it seems, the flimsy "they're a male only species" only seems to be tacked on as an excuse for the act to appear all.)

The fact that they're rapists is a narrative device. There's no reason for Zeus to have raped any of his dozens of victims either.
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Irregardless posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape?

You're either being naive or disingenuous if you pretend that's not the main draw, either through the shock value or fetishization of the act.

They could have replaced rape with any "evil" act and the show wouldn't be any different it's a tactic to draw attention to itself and titillate some nothing more.

Seeing as rape apparently only occurs once or twice in the whole series they'd be very disappointed indeed. And by that logic why wouldn't there be people who watched GoT for its more explicit rape scenes? You've shown you have no idea what you're talking about though.
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Anteaterking posted...

Who got into Game of Thrones specifically because it showed rape? Some people got into it because it had lots of nudity and sex, but that is not at all the same thing.

Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape? There's almost always multiple reasons someone watches something, but I'm sure its willingness to depict rape is definitely a reason some people have gotten into it for.
Anteaterking posted...

People have been fascinated by serial killers since before Jack the Ripper. The slasher film genre is a natural place for horror to go, not a surprise. The only "surprising" part was how in Halloween people cheered for the victims, but when Friday the 13th came out they started cheering for the slasher.

If you're going to go that route, rape has always been a narrative device, sometimes gratuitously since Greek mythology.

Anteaterking posted...

That's not plot. You're talking about characterization. Killing/murder ends characters' plot lines. It's usually the pretense to war. Your example of the Red Wedding is a pivotal moment in the series for most of the main characters, even ones who weren't there and completely changes the narrative in a way that watching Ramsay rape Sansa doesn't.

The daughter's rape is what fueled the guy in death wish to do what he does. Odysseus's motivation for his journey is his wife getting raped. I spit on your grave's MC completely changes after her rape. These are all pivotal moments in a narrative. The only thing it can't do that death can is end their plot lines but if the rape puts them into a coma, psychologically breaks them into insanity, or just completely leave the setting it can
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CyricZ posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something?

In short, yeah I kinda do consider it as a lost cause largely because of the slasher flick having evolved from outright horror into "rooting for the slasher". I'd rather the idea of rape not go in the same direction, which is why I'm against promoting this kind of stuff.

That said, please fuck right off on your "you didn't condemn it fast enough" bullshit.

That's fair then, though in this case it still falls solidly on horror since we're clearly supposed to be sympathizing with the victim and hating the goblins and they get comeuppance for their crime even if you believe they indulged and made the scene too sexy for your standards.
And I'm well within my rights to question you for that. Hypocrites who turn a blind eye and are actually fine with things when it happens in their favorite media just not in their disliked media are a dime a dozen. There's no way I could've known you weren't one of them.
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Anteaterking posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

Is this supposed to be a good thing?
So basically you're justifying gratuitous and indulgent violence and torture because you're saying society is used to it but rape can't get the same standards because society considers sex more abhorrent than violence. But there are a lot of people, I might say, even the majority who are able to look past rape in media as this specific special type of unshowable evil and just view it in the same lens that society does to murder in media. However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape.

I don't like slasher films, so you're not going to have success painting me as a hypocrite.

Also, I think you're sidetracking the conversation. I'm just stating that this is how society feels about things, not how society SHOULD feel about things. You had claimed that you didn't think people would care if Jason raped instead of killing and I think that's wrong.

There's also the issue of "rape as characterization" tends to be weak characterization for both the victim and the perpetrator, and "rape as plot advancer" is not nearly as useful as "death as plot advancer".

It depends. Game of Thrones show that people are at least willing to overlook it if they're not outright using its willingness to defy norms to praise it. (let's be honest, GoT being one of the few series to have the balls to show onscreen rape is one of the reasons some people got into it) People wouldn't have thought a genre specifically about focusing on serial killers with the spotlight on the killers would be acceptable back in the day either.
Though I really don't see how rape is less useful as a plot advancer than death. They're both the biggest traumatic events. In fact rape can be a bigger push to make the audience feel more sympathy due to society's belief that rape is a special kind of evil.

CyricZ posted...

If you want me to come out against slasher films, I'm fine with that. I've got no particular love for the genre, and yes, it is quite indulgent. It's an indulgence that has become accepted in society since the 80s and it probably has desensitized us a bit too much to the idea of violence being brought upon others for no reasons other than having sex at a camp.

If that's what it takes for me to state that I'd rather we NOT become the same kind of desensitized towards rape, I'll take that hit.

God forbid you, whoever you are, view me as a hypocrite for my standards.

I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something?
The example with satire shows still stands though.
Or do you believe satire is also indulgent?
In any case, the scene includes rape here the same way horror movies include torture and murder. If you're against that that's fair but those genres exist because people enjoy the shock value. There's not much depth into it. It's simply the transgression of norms itself that excites them. That's the point of both edgy grimdark horror and offensive satire.
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CyricZ posted...

rookieplayer03 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Th3Truth posted...

This is what I'm talking about bias. Why does there need to be a reason for rape to be inherent to the goblins? Does there need to be a reason for why the demons in Doom want to kill people? You're taking this way too seriously in ways that you wouldn't do for other series.

Because its fanservice for pervs to masturbate too and you're rather childishly trying to pretend it's not

Thats a broad statement. Stereotypes are formed when people make generalizations like yours.

There are people IN THIS TOPIC posting about having the weirdest boner.

I went to a YT video and people are responding how turned on they are.

Maybe I'm just a fucking SJW but I don't think it's healthy to say that about a rape scene.

If that doesn't prove the intent of the scene, then I don't know what will.

And anteaterking himself admits that most people go "oh boy, I'd love to see how that bitch gets her face electrocuted off!" in slashers. Is that supposed to be healthier?
Or when people go "lmao he was molested as a child that scene had me rolling" in family guy?
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Anteaterking posted...

He was said to be a child rapist, you don't see him raping children. My main point I'm making with Jason or Freddy is that those series are completely driven by "money shot" kills. The audience is supposed to cheer on these teens being murdered and get satisfaction from seeing the elements of the backdrop right before a kill and saying "Oh wow, is he going to electrocute her with that hanging wire?" etc. That just doesn't work if you replace murder with rape. The audience is not going to cheer on the serial rapist hunting down teens and raping them in creative ways.

Is this supposed to be a good thing?
So basically you're justifying gratuitous and indulgent violence and torture because you're saying society is used to it but rape can't get the same standards because society considers sex more abhorrent than violence. But there are a lot of people, I might say, even the majority who are able to look past rape in media as this specific special type of unshowable evil and just view it in the same lens that society does to murder in media. However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape.

Anteaterking posted...

And as has been mentioned multiple times in this topic, GoT has received criticism for their rape scenes and most people do not think those scenes are handled well.

And they are the hypocrites I'm referring to if they complain about that but not the excessive violence like the red wedding. Though, seeing as it's one of the top rated shows with its willingness to defy norms and put in rape scenes usually being expressed as a pro I'd say those complainers are a vocal minority.

Anteaterking posted...

Let's look at Evil Dead vs the remake of Evil Dead. The tree rape scene is one of the most iconic scenes from Evil Dead 1, but was left out of the remake, not because they were worried about SJWs, but because it had aged very poorly.

That's definitely more a sign of pandering to a new audience. Since many things still reference and parody that scene it can't really be said it aged poorly.
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CyricZ posted...

All media matters, and it all affects us. Period. In some small way at least. It matters in how we think about it, how we interpret it, and how it shapes us. You don't get to pick and choose which media affects you or not. Suggesting otherwise is just trying to have your cake and eat it too, on this issue. I find it hilarious you call my interpretation "black and white" when your interpretation is "either it affects us or it doesn't".

This is a broad blanket statement that is blatantly not true. How detached from reality can you be? Some things are obviously supposed to be taken less seriously than others. Satire and parodies aren't meant to be taken as serious as a serious story. Dystopian stories are meant to have the world be more depressing and have people including the main characters be assholes with family-unfriendly aesops compared to a Disney movie. Slashers have people give little flack to what people would rampage and riot over in any other genre.
It's why you're ignoring why no one is clamoring over all the unhealthy and indulgent shit in the examples I gave. Your mindset is one of a child's
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CyricZ posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

The point is that it doesn't matter. This isn't some deep philosophical literary narrative, this is some edgy grimdark show meant for cheap shocks like how South Park/Family Guy/Basically everything Seth McFarlane is with jokes. You don't give a shit when slashers and torture porn like Terrifier, Freddy Kruger and SAW have their gratuitous minor slaughtering and torture or when South Park and Family Guy endorses casual racism and sexual assault/pedophilia jokes but whenever it comes to anime you need to have your nerd analysis over it.

See the upper part of Post #48 on why "it doesn't matter" is a rather horseshit argument for people posting on a video game message board and being worried about censorship.

You're seeing things in black and white. Some media can matter typically shows meant for younger audiences and children, others doesn't. It's why I brought up it not being a deep philosophical thing to study. No one is caring about Family Guy makes light of pedophilia with Herbert by making Chris be the butt of the joke or mocking Peter being molested as a child. No one is caring about how Terrifier and other slashers are glorifying the serial killers by having the murderers win and be the main characters who return in sequels while the victims are just their kill counts.
This show is clearly in the same part of grimdark as slashers and not meant to be presented to kids as a way of teaching morals.
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Anteaterking posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

You don't give a s*** when slashers and torture porn like Terrifier, Freddy Kruger and SAW have their gratuitous minor slaughtering and torture

I do think that if e.g. Jason instead of killing his victims just raped each of them it would cause a lot more outcry.

That says a lot about our society more than anything but I wouldn't be too sure. Freddy Kruger was said to be a child rapist and I'm pretty sure he tried to molest a teen in Freddy vs Jason yet he's still hailed as one of the greatest horror icons. As said, there are gratuitous rape scenes in Game of Thrones and it's considered one of the best shows of the decade. I spit on your grave and Death Wish which have rape scenes are cult classics
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CyricZ posted...

Your opinion on me notwithstanding, it stands that citing another media for having rape doesn't mean that they did it well either.

The point is that it doesn't matter. This isn't some deep philosophical literary narrative, this is some edgy grimdark show meant for cheap shocks like how South Park/Family Guy/Basically everything Seth McFarlane is with jokes. You don't give a shit when slashers and torture porn like Terrifier, Freddy Kruger and SAW have their gratuitous minor slaughtering and torture or when South Park and Family Guy endorses casual racism and sexual assault/pedophilia jokes but whenever it comes to anime you need to have your nerd analysis over it.
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CyricZ posted...

Also, for those citing Game of Thrones, GoT has also been called out for being exploitative in how it depicts rape, so it's not like it got a full pass or anything.

Only by overly sensitive individuals who look to be offended by everything such as yourself. This is a very dark horror show. Gratuitous gore and sexual assault is par for the course
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The Trent posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Was this the place that literally rapes you

uh is the word literally used here as intended or as extravagance
i don't think there is a place that LITERALLY rapes you

Only in the sense that you had to sign your "consent" for it
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I searched it up. That's not a word
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SuperShake666 posted...

TIL There are gay penguins.

Tbf they were one of the main examples that people used as homosexuality occurring in the wild
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WhoAltisitneway posted...

So basically old school Shoenice?

What's a shoenice
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boxington posted...

that dude at the end was so creepy and menacing, lol

You wouldn't be a stand user if you weren't... bizarre. Yeeaah
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EmeralDragon23 posted...

Alex Jones warned us about this

Was he talking about gay penguins? Or gay frogs? Actually nvm you're right. Next we'll hear gay frogs stealing tadpoles!
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YonicBoom posted...

Thinking of starting a language learning board, but I wanna wait till I've actually learned Japanese well enough before I do something like that. Nothing is worse than people who claim to be an "authority" on something they don't yet know well enough to teach.

Hmm.

You don't need to be an authority to make a board like that. All you gotta do I show interest in it. Do you know any other languages?
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A shock to no one
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mustachedmystic posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

If you really feel that way, why don't you defect to NK? They'd love to snag an American(assuming you're one).

Uh what? Americans have been regularly going to NK for over a decade. It isn't until recently that most tour companies stopped taking Americans.

I said he should defect, not take a vacation.

You're also talking about right now. So there was little reason for him to bring up decades ago.
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Milkman5 posted...

mrduckbear posted...

showing porn to a kids fresh out of high school.

Aka they are adults

Soon it'll be kids fresh in their middle ages
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FrisbeeDude posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

When a known race troll tries to bait you with concern trolling...just lol

lol the lack of self awareness

you're more than welcome to cite an example.

Your entire topic creation history. Let's see you post an example of DJL's concern trolling.

His history of race trolling is all that's needed to disqualify his intentions

Just like your history of race trolling. Like I said, you got no self awareness lol
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FrisbeeDude posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

When a known race troll tries to bait you with concern trolling...just lol

lol the lack of self awareness

you're more than welcome to cite an example.

Your entire topic creation history. Let's see you post an example of DJL's concern trolling.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

When a known race troll tries to bait you with concern trolling...just lol

lol the lack of self awareness
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I was one of the women that guy was with and I actually did think you were trying to do questionable things with her and I'm still not 100% sure you didn't
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Snip-N-Snails posted...

He should be charged. That's good contamination

Wtf is a "good contamination"
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Wow she's teacher it to her daughters too.
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AwesomeOSauce posted...

that lives in like Europe.

Well there we are. Europeans mature faster than muricans
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PiOverlord posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

While they're cute but there should be a base for it like bowsette and that earth-chan thing did. It needs to be a bit more consistent

Thank you, it's what I'm telling everyone.

Peach is the base that these characters should be using. It's not about creating whatever "cute" or "sexy" human version of these characters you want, but taking the Peach base model and altering it slightly.

It's why Bowsette is a success. Booette, Chompette, they aren't real Peachette inspired characters, since they just run away from the gimmick entirely.

Agreed. I still like the artwork though
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