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The strong male lead narrative needs to die.

I consider myself a supporter of gender equality

But the narrative is incredibly unreal and most men are not that strong, especially in action movies (e.g. Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible, Keanu Reeves in John Wick, Bruce Willis in Die Hard, any martial arts movie where Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan/Jet Li/Donnie Yen take on giant groups of enemies and win) and I feel like its too forced.

The only movies I felt portrayed men right were Superbad and The 40 Year Old Virgin.
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Nidhoggr posted...

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Esrac posted...

Also, because, as someone pointed out earlier, some people just think saying slurs is fun, even if they don't think of themselves as racist or sexist or whatever.

I would argue anyone whos okay with using slurs for fun and doesnt feel any qualms about it has some underlying racist/sexist tendencies.

One of my childhood friends was one of the biggest toxic fools on Halo 2 back in the day, he used every slur known to man. He's married to a black woman now and makes anti-Trump posts on FB all the time. But nah he must have underlying racist and sexist tendencies.

I bet if you asked him how he felt about using those slurs hed say he felt bad. If he doesnt, then yeah, Id still say he has those tendencies. I have black friends isnt an argument.

Honestly he probably doesn't even remember it. To him his past is just a part of his life that doesn't matter anymore, he focuses on the present. And how could you be married to a black woman and still be racist? That's some Freud shit.

Idk. Thomas Jefferson f***ed his slaves. And tons of married men are still sexist. Theyre not mutually exclusive.
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Nidhoggr posted...

ssk9716757 posted...

Esrac posted...

Also, because, as someone pointed out earlier, some people just think saying slurs is fun, even if they don't think of themselves as racist or sexist or whatever.

I would argue anyone whos okay with using slurs for fun and doesnt feel any qualms about it has some underlying racist/sexist tendencies.

One of my childhood friends was one of the biggest toxic fools on Halo 2 back in the day, he used every slur known to man. He's married to a black woman now and makes anti-Trump posts on FB all the time. But nah he must have underlying racist and sexist tendencies.

I bet if you asked him how he felt about using those slurs hed say he felt bad. If he doesnt, then yeah, Id still say he has those tendencies. I have black friends isnt an argument.
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Esrac posted...

Also, because, as someone pointed out earlier, some people just think saying slurs is fun, even if they don't think of themselves as racist or sexist or whatever.

I would argue anyone whos okay with using slurs for fun and doesnt feel any qualms about it has some underlying racist/sexist tendencies.
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Esrac posted...

2. Considering the anonymous nature of online gaming, how do we actually know the demographics of people committing "toxic" behavior? Do we have actual data on what percentage white people vs. black people use the N-Word online? Do we have actual data on what percentage of white men vs latino men call someone a homophobic slur online? It seems like the assumption is online toxicity is a white male problem just because its often white males we encounter online. And, I suspect, because social justice minded people (the ones most likely to be having conversations about this) seem to downplay or overlook the bad behavior of women and minorities.

It doesnt really matter whether there are individual women or non-white people who may engage in toxic behavior. The discussion is about a larger problematic culture. And that culture is one that overwhelmingly targets people who are non-white, female, or non-heteronormative.

Also, slightly unrelated, but it does bother me how even discussions where white men arent the victims get turned into discussions about making white men the victims, when the entirety of the harassment being discussed is targeted at everyone but white men. You may be tired of seeing the word toxic online but minorities are tired of the actual toxicity being thrown at them.

3. I disagree with that. I don't think the relative levels of prejudice white people vs black people endure in society at large is a relevant factor. If we should make a hard distinction for one, we should for all. If there wasn't a need to make such a distinction, then why is there such a reaction from white males when articles "explaining" toxic white males show up? Unless you think that kind of reaction is going to occur every time anyone talks about toxicity in gaming.

That reaction is from those people feeling personally attacked. But again, this article is not going to make people who read it think that all white people are like this, whereas a negative story about a group of black people often has (and still does) make people think of all black people more negatively. Thats why the discourse is different.
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I played Friday the 13th and saw how African-American characters were targeted to be killed, while white characters were left alone.

That's a little funny Really though, if someone is doing that, it's not because they hate black people and want them to die or stop playing video games or something. It's because it's a video game and they have the power to do something silly and outrageous like that. It's dark humor. That has nothing to do with gaming culture, that is baked into our modern world.

The fact that they can look at racially-motivated killing as dark humor illustrates the toxicity pretty clearly.
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Esrac posted...

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It really comes seems like a lot of the same (white, straight) male gamers are a problem. Let's all nod in agreement about what a problem they are

Theres a difference between white, straight, male gamers and the toxic gamers who generally are white, male gamers.

The article is about the latter. Yet people constantly like to bundle themselves into that group for some reason.

I don't think these types of critics make enough of a distinction. Especially when they so often like to make note of the white, straight, male gamers that they think are the problem. I mean, not a whole lot of talk about other demographics behaving badly. Are we to assume they're just so much more well-behaved?

Do you think they would feel the same way if, when talking about, say, crime, we deliberately added the adjectives "black" and "male" in front of the word "criminals" and had a social justice crusade about how awful black, male criminals are? (I mean we have done that kind of thing as a society and most agree that there is racism there.) After all, there is a difference between black males and criminals who are black males.

Yeah, I know, I'm being a bit hyperbolic with that comparison.

For the record any serious studies on crime often do consider the demographics of those committing certain crimes and why that may be the case, the same way this article is asking why a lot of this toxic behavior tends to come from white men.

But the fact is that there isnt as much need to make a distinction because the level of prejudice and racism against white people just isnt the same when compared to black people. People are less likely to use individual events to make blanket judgments about white men as a group the same way they would (and do) with black men, so its more important to be clear and careful when discussing cases involving the latter demographic.
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Gotta agree with all the BCS love in here. Jimmy is just so much more nuanced and layered than Walt, despite how good Bryan Cranstons performance is. Jimmy just feels so much more human.
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why does having cat powers make her good at basketball
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