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| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 5:39:28 PM #313 | ##Unvote ##Vote: Sultan If Sultan flips scum, then the roleblock doesn't make sense and I think there's a strong argument other than my insistence that Sheep is lying. Even if you guys understand where I'm coming from and don't trust Sheep, lynching the claimed cop with scans is probably just the wrong town play. This is a better self-preservation vote that also gets us more information. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 5:27:21 PM #306 | htaeD posted... Right now all I am hearing is that Red is town, EDumey. I can't blame you for this. But I'll be damned if I'm not gonna leave you information for after the flip. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 5:26:04 PM #304 | Why would scum roleblock Sultan instead of Sheep? Maybe it's a null tell if Sultan ends up town. Eaed is obviously a more powerful protective role. But leaving up a cop scan is so bad. If they're both scum, then they use their roleblock on the only claimed investigative role (Tony), claim Sultan is blocked so the Eaed kill goes by unquestioned, and have a tough sell with Sheep. I see other people discussed possibility of a Godfather and that's why scum's not scared of leaving him up, but there's four scum left. That's really confident. Maybe I'm biased because I know the scan on me is false, but the more I look at this situation, the more I find wrong with it. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 5:14:56 PM #293 | Looking at Sheep's play, there's a definite oddity on his claim yesterday. He came in with a plan. This isn't scummy in itself, because someone coming in on a replace definitely should give a strong impression quickly as possible. But using vocabulary like "I was planning on claiming in Twilight" struck me as bad then, and looks bad after the scans as well. What did his scans actually accomplish? He took pressure off of Tange and MZero, two players who weren't really lynch targets at the moment, though Tange was getting some general thumbs down from a lot of players (including me). This pretty much cemented the lynch going toward Red because the day went immediately stagnant. I mean, once you guys lynch me, Sheep will get retaliatory lynched regardless, but I'd also say if Red ever flipped town, that's a HUGE red flag on Sheep. What's the town benefit of Sheep's claim there? All he did was make himself susceptible to night actions by scum, and that didn't even happen. Definitely odd. At this stage of the game, uncountered Cop even just scanning multiple members innocent is dangerous for scum even if he never hits a guilty scan. I don't see a world where someone like Tony is prioritized over Sheep for a roleblock. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 5:04:26 PM #289 | You're right Puns, third highest on my town list (excluding confirms) is speaking out against you. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 5:01:21 PM #287 | I mean I could ask the opposite. Why does Puns deserve so much town cred? Yes he exploded Leo in Day 2, which puts him pretty firmly near the top, but I've disagreed with a lot of how he's played the game in other parts. Maybe it's just a fundamental difference in how I look at the game, but his logic is always just different than mine. Since I know I have a town mindset, it definitely gives me a warning bell. Also, looking at the end of day votes yesterday, Puns was the one who tried multiple times to drag the lynch off of Red, making multiple votes. I understand I helped the train go to town as well because I got paranoid about the lack of effort at end of day (honestly did you see how many people we had leap from their lurking?), but Puns easily looks the weirdest there. Scare has looked pure town to me ever since Twilight of Day 1. Easily my strongest read based off of play and personality. As for Crescent, this one is a little bit more odd. I asked three times (none of which were answered) if she had a history of leading crusades on inactive players. But other than that one small blight, not seen anything that makes me think of her as scum. That's why she's slightly ahead of Puns even with his day 2 accomplishment. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 4:54:17 PM #284 | I STILL think this town has way too much protection claimed. I would likely vote for Sultan, as I have consistently wanted the past day. The Puns list Town-Scum ScareChan Crescent-Moon turbopuns2 HanOfTheNekos Mzero11 htaeD (Death) ColZach Benjamin3740 Leafeon13N (red13N/Red) DoubleTangicide TheSultanOfSlam Sheep007 --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 4:48:08 PM #282 | Also if Sheep is scum here, that means his previous scans are subject to interpretation. Does he risk putting one of his scummates in Mzero/Tange at risk? Too WIFOM to decide. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party.... |
| EDumey 08/12/18 4:46:16 PM #281 | I stayed up until 5 AM this morning and then had some errands to run when I woke up this afternoon. After reading up today, I think this was obviously a poor decision on my part. Whoops. I am Rap God - Eminem. Town Vanilla. Claim doesn't help me much here, but I'm not scum. ##Vote: Sheep Is scum really desperate enough to suicide for me? Especially when Sheep had gained so much trust yesterday. It's honestly a good enough play that I'm impressed. I know Sheep explained his "logic" earlier, but I just don't see a world where town Cop doesn't just scan Red after that crazy end day. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 11:11:17 PM #260 | Regardless of the turnout. This lynch with all its votes gave us SO much more info to work with. Amazing how there was so little conversation, but then everyone was suddenly around for a flurry of votes. If IGCD flips town and we don't know if Red was scum later then it gets difficult to read, but glad it turned out this way instead of an effortless inactive lynch. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 10:51:30 PM #174 | ChaosTonyV4 posted... turbopuns2 posted...Dumey tange and sultan with rotting splinter votes lmao --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 10:47:44 PM #160 | F*** it, lets make it interesting. ##Unvote ##Vote: IGCD If scum are going to sit on the Red lynch and let day end with nothing, lets see if there's a scramble here at the end. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 10:08:08 PM #90 | yeah kinda looks like it. I'm conflicted. I responded to Tony earlier that no body going to bat for Red was a bit of WIFOM and a null tell. But as we're in the last hour with no one it really looks like scum is just content to let this lynch sit. Scare tried to hammer. Puns made a post as if he were going to train the opposite direction. I personally just don't like these type of inactivity lynches. But I suppose it's gotta happen at some point. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 10:04:15 PM #84 | MZero11 posted... Oh we still have an hour? Thought it was over >_> which ones do you believe? --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 10:03:33 PM #82 | Leafeon13N posted... Crescent-Moon posted... are you? --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 10:01:14 PM #76 | So according to the Red argument summary from Crescent and the IGCD argument summary from Panth, our two options are "Player that should be more involved" and "Player that should be more involved". I guess I can see why this deadline is completely lacking in enthusiasm. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 9:46:15 PM #60 | I'm confused about IGCD. I read it on mobile earlier when I voted Han and couldn't really grasp it. So I came back to it now on my PC and I'm still just not seeing the threads. Han blustered about MZero. T5 #376 Han "caught" IGCD for agreeing with him (without voting for MZero) T6 #155 Panthera votes IGCD. T6 # 210 and #239 Han eventually comes down to "I don't think IGCD is Scum unless Panth is" T6 #382 Panth is still voting for IGCD. Red has listed IGCD as a direction he'd rather go. Ultimately, I still don't understand the argument against God. (har har) Someone please explain like I'm five. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 9:21:47 PM #33 | Even during Twilight he didn't really budge. It may just be personality, but that feeling is definitely what's drawn me toward Sultan instead of Panthera. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 9:11:18 PM #19 | I haven't been around for a while. I thought Blade was the one that always posted about Nala purring. >_> Sorry, there's been approximately zero useful posts in this topic so far. I'll try and post something in a second. Also @Dark_Young_Link there are two votes on Sultan, the count is off. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 9:04:33 PM #14 | |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 8: Work work work... |
| EDumey 08/10/18 8:49:44 PM #3 | I feel like the effort for each new topic has degraded. Also Chris got this one super early compared to our 497 topic earlier. :P --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 8:06:48 PM #435 | I don't think I doubted your scans? I just didn't like your pre-claim strategy. If I'm honest I think you should have held the claim for tomorrow, but that info in twilight only would be basically devestating to you. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 7:09:01 PM #404 | HanOfTheNekos posted... I did need to read that. Tange but not PJ/Sheep? --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 7:02:52 PM #399 | |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:46:36 PM #377 | Wow IGCD really believes in throwing that vote around. And I honestly thought there were more votes on the board. ##Vote: Sultan Sultan being on Panthera is probably the correct self-defense play for him, but it makes me think he's also bought into the "both cannot exist at the same time" thought. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:42:34 PM #372 | |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:37:56 PM #364 | ChaosTonyV4 posted... When literally everyone is ok with lynching Red, including both of the people who at least one of HAS to be fucking scum, I feel like I'm going insane. I noticed this as well, but I think at this point it's WIFOM. Scum either admits scumRed is f***ed and busses him. Or they see townRed is f***ed and have no reason to try and lose credibility defending him. It's a null tell at this point. Maybe if someone was heavily defending Red earlier before the mob mentality set in. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:34:46 PM #355 | Wait I think I had a "crazy theory" meme I used to do once per game back when we played on the commodore Mafia board. I need to bring that back. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:32:54 PM #350 | Sheep007 posted... Crescent-Moon posted..."Comedy Option" time~ Ed making it to final 3 is rather optimistic if he's truly Jailkeeper. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:30:40 PM #348 | Also, don't never mind me. Just in this one instance don't mind me. Skimming posts on mobile at work. :P I agree that Zach isn't even a potential target for today. Was just important to comment on his claim as it happened. I've been vocal in multiple posts that I want to figure out Panthera/Sultan. I'm almost positive that I'm going to vote Sultan, but I'd like to see votals before I do so. I agree with the logic that everyone seems to dislike Red, and he hasn't really been very inspiring, but I'm not sure I'm as enthusiastic as Puns is about getting information from him post death. The reason most people aren't liking Red is specifically his non-content. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:23:41 PM #341 | Actually I see you said you'd still rather lynch Red. Never mind me. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 6:22:13 PM #339 | Sheep007 posted... I feel like Puns just said everything I was thinking but quicker and better. Didn't you JUST have two posts about the merits of a Sultan lunch and the info it would give? --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 4:47:43 PM #291 | ##Unvote I'm STILL trying to read through Han/IGCD. But taking my vote off for the moment as people are piling on to trains. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 4:45:02 PM #285 | Panthera posted... You know Zach, I kind of assumed when you hinted at your role that you would claim vig...expecting you to say you shot me last night and thus believed Eaed protected me with his jailkeep. Instead, you say you shot claimed protection night 1. Vig shot. Night 1. Claimed protection. This is probably too insane to be made up. This kind of lines up with what I was saying about a flavorful Vanilla claim. Unless he was just going for the hero play on Corrik, it's a horrendously bad shot to take N1. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 4:39:24 PM #275 | Goddamn, I got pulled away at work like literally one minute before the same time claim. I had so much anticipation built up. Night actions are gonna be SPICY. Though Town Vig into confirmed protected role could really just be a flavorful Vanilla claim. I am wary about the complete lack of Vanilla claims thus far. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 3:24:34 PM #191 | Definitely not backlash about him claiming. Backlash about his claimed motivation to hold it until just after he could be lynched for it. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 3:22:56 PM #187 | turbopuns2 posted... EDumey posted...I can't think of a single valid town reason for why a claim would be acceptable during twilight and not during day. Sheep007 posted... htaeD posted...Why the change of heart? --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 3:18:17 PM #182 | Sheep007 posted... htaeD posted...Why the change of heart? I can't think of a single valid town reason for why a claim would be acceptable during twilight and not during day. Either you're okay with giving info before night actions or you're not. That statement really impliee that you think your claim might get you lynched. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 3:15:41 PM #180 | I strongly doubt Panthera and Scare are both scum together. That would be the worst bussing in Mafia history. Taking someone with relatively zero bad standing to full lynch status directly after a scum lynch? It just doesn't happen. Maybe greatest betrayal of all time if it worked, but it's just dumb. Also I find it interesting that several people have pointed out Eaed may not be Jailkeeper. I have problems with Sultan/Panthera, and I think claiming Jailkeeper at the time Eaed did would be INCREDIBLY ballsy as scum, but the lack of extra night kills actually makes me wary. Would a scum team with no extra night kills be balanced if Town protection only had roles that sacrificed themselves like multiple BGs? Though one of the people bringing this up was Tange. Again highly doubt Tange and Eaed could be scum together in that situation. Definitely feel more comfortable looking between Sultan/Panthera, but Eaed is maybe not as confirmed as people are treating him. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 2:44:00 PM #143 | Also, I don't remember how Mafia works. Is kill resolved last? So if scum shoots Jailkeeper, does Jailkeeper die with or without protect/roleblocking? --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 2:42:19 PM #141 | htaeD posted... Thought for food: Panth is town and scum didnt bother with Eaed because they knew he'd block Panth. In this situation does Scum hypothetically shoot Corrik directly, or does Corrik die saving someone? --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 2:34:43 PM #137 | benjamin3740 posted... HanOfTheNekos posted... I did mention in my reply to Sheep that I remember liking Red's early day 2 when he was posting someehat actively. If everyone is thinking he's scum, that may be the period of time to review for actual opinions coming from him. Han, I'm still rereading things and got caught up at work a little. I'll come back to you in a moment. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 1:54:21 PM #96 | Scare did a large recap of Topic 2 in which he pointed out posts of yours he didn't like. I'm not asking for a detailed reply to everything or get super defensive, but I'd prefer you not ignore it. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 1:39:24 PM #88 | benjamin3740 posted... EDumey posted... Maybe with two scum lynches already we can afford to go inactive hunting. But that's not really my priority. I haven't had a lot of active votes this game because I havent been present enough for active scum hunting. But you're right, I should be more proactive with my vote. ##Vote: Han I'd like to hear Han respond to Scare in some detail when he comes back. I'm gonna go back and read through Han/MZero/IGCD and see what I feel about that more. BRB y'all. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 1:29:05 PM #73 | TBH, it was mostly the argument about Scare's take compared to Corrik's take that got me to reply. I think both are valid town reactions. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 1:19:30 PM #66 | Multiple people noticed it. It wasn't just Scare. It was specifically worded that a lot of people immediately jumped to the assumption. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 1:17:05 PM #63 | Puns, I think you're misconflating ideal individual player strategy and things that are good for town. A good player in Tony's would try to lynch Zam without claiming, so he doesn't out himself as watcher. If he already has, the best option for town is to nail scum to the wall. I understand that you're pointing out role fishing, which is definitely a scum tactic, but I'm not sure making sure we can lynch scum day 1 when a counter claim is already potentially on the table is a red flag. Maybe it's just because I agree with a lot or Scare's recaps and have him on my Town list, but throwing shade with poor conflation like this rubs me the wrong way. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 1:09:40 PM #56 | Sheep007 posted... EDumey posted...Available a little earlier than normal! I did a once over, but I'm going to read through a bit slower and see what sticks out to me. If anyone has specific questions for me, I should be pretty free to answer for the next few hours. I posted shortly after MZero and Han's bout. I mentioned a little bit of a paranoia about how it felt like scum had noticed me as a easy misdirect, and Han mentioned that as well. So my town surivival instint makes me immediately agree with Han. However, I'm not sure what to feel about Han claiming to set him up as bait before seitching to IGCD. I know from Day 1 that Han seems to like this style of prodding for reactions, but it seems to be like he is setting up a lynch target, and switching off quickly when it doesn't gather steam. Ultimately I think Han comes off looking awkward here. Still undecided on MZero as a whole. For Tange, this may come off as mean, but when I last played with him a couple years ago he was still new and didn't have developed reads yet. We lost a game as town because he couldn't trust my read in the final four scenario. My gut tells me he's not an analytical player. So when he comes in for comments here or there but isn't really part of a conversation, it looks like coasting. Of all my reads, Tange is probably the most personality based of them, but that's mostly because he hasn't had a lot of content. Sultan I don't like. I don't think Panthera and Sultan both exist in this setup. We have too much protection. The claim seems genuine because it's such an odd one to make, but it definitely is something that could be premeditated on a scum board. My biggest "bad" read on Sultan was when he was going after Corrik with really tenuous (this is my word of the game btw) arguments. But I suppose he could be inexperienced town tunneling on Corrik because he doesn't believe there would be two BG. If he's telling the truth the behavior makes sense. I think if Panth flips town at any point, we lynch Sultan, and vice versa. Crescent and Red together? May have to read again because I don't recall specific interaction there. I asked twice about whether or not Crescent had a history of crusading for inactives, and was ignored both times. other people did bring up this behavior later, but still no one has answered about her history. Red strikes me as definitely the most likely scum of the inactive pool. Corrik had a strong read on him Day 1 as "Red provides useful content as town, this Red is fluff." I know Red is a respected player, and I was giving him time to play the game, but he honestly hasn't improved that much. I did think I liked his posts at the beginning of Day 2 when he had an active streak. But that hasn't continued. I've only just now realized that I have mostly negative opinions on everyone you asked about. For a quick breakdown I'd say Sultan and Tange are my biggest worries of that group of six, with a lot of hesitantance toward Han and Red. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 12:49:36 PM #51 | Sheep007 posted... I think I played with him a few times years ago and he was similar, which is why I'm asking this instead of being suspicious, but is Death normally quite non-confrontational? I felt like he'd been contributing when reading his posts as an observer, but there doesn't seem a lot of bite or aggression in his play. The vote on me particularly seemed that way, to pick a more recent thing, since effectively all I said was I wasn't going to claim and he peeled off me, without any really effort to get a claim. I don't know about non- confrontational, I think he just posts at odd hours by nature of geography and doesn't get to directly interact as much as he'd like. He has thrown shade at my every action this game though. While he obviously has a bias against me at the moment, I feel like 80% of the comments he's made about me have been about trying to contirbute to conversation. --- |
| Topic | Sir Chris Music Mafia 7: Something Music Related |
| EDumey 08/10/18 12:43:57 PM #47 | Available a little earlier than normal! I did a once over, but I'm going to read through a bit slower and see what sticks out to me. If anyone has specific questions for me, I should be pretty free to answer for the next few hours. --- |
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