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If the question is simply would making it impossible to legally obtain or own a gun lower he number of mass shootings, I think that answer is yes. In that scenario, guns would continually be seized over time. Would that number be higher than the amount of illegal guns being obtained?Maybe, but I don't think the demand for illegal guns would be as high as illegal drugs are currently, plus the logistics of moving weapons is more difficult than moving drugs. I'm using drugs as a reference point of illegal activity even though it is kind of comparing apples to oranges.

While a black market would certainly thrive, I also believe people would start using other methods of killing people that were more easily accessible.

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

SideburnStalker17 posted...

Lack of planning does not constitute an exception.

Yeah, a working poor person has the time and resources to wait 4 hours ahead of time in case of emergencies. You DO realize that many things happen that you can't plan for, right?

I don't understand your argument. Why would a poor person need an additional four hours to find a parking spot? Is it because they are less intelligent than rich people? I'm talking about leaving 15 minutes earlier than usual to help your chances of finding a legal parking spot.

Additionally, I'm curious to hear about these "emergencies" that occur so often that they cause the person to incur such great fines to be a financial burden. What are the "many things" that truly force someone to be unable to put additional money in a parking meter, or speed through traffic?

And yes, I believe that if you can't afford to put an extra two quarters for an additional half hour "just in case", you might be too poor to maintain your vehicle properly. That causes a hazard on the road to rich people like me, so please don't drive, either.

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Cal12 posted...

If you dont have the money to pay a parking fine then dont park illegally.

For many ppl, it isn't a cut and dry case. Many ppl park for a very important purpose, then something comes up and they're not able to get back to put in more money for the meters. Or they're trying to get to an important engagement and they don't have time to spend 1 hour looking for a spot.

Lack of planning does not constitute an exception. Things happen, I get it, but then what's the threshold for something coming up that grants that person a pass? They don't have time to look for a spot? Haha, come on. How can you justify that another person's time is more valuable than mine based on what they have to do? The exception is emergency workers, which by the nature of their job grants them that pass.

M_Live posted...

Cal12 posted...

M_Live posted...

Completely agreed. Especially in NY where a minor traffic violation can set somebody back 100s of dollars but is a drop in the bucket for those with money. Perfect example of the legal system being unfair/biased.

Its not unfair at all. Dont get a ticket. You are solely responsible for getting the ticket. The fine is a deterrent. You cant scale a fine based on income. Thats an unjust system regardless of the persons income. Plus how would you even know?

I mean, I don't get tickets but if we both get a fine for $1000, and I have $25 in the bank, and you have $25,000 ... Which of us is actually being punished?

Both of you are being punished. It is effecting you more, just as the price of every other good sold is doing the exact same thing. However, in this case, you don't have an "item" to show for the money spent, so you feel more cheated.

I completely disagree and if this was implemented I would do everything I could to cheat the system. I don't feel wealthy, but based on my income/location, I'm in the upper middle.

Why should I be charged more for fines when I'm already getting charged more for taxes? How philosophical do you want to get with this? I can give you the "I worked hard to get where I'm at," speech and you could come back with, "Yes, but you had more opportunities because...".

Bottom line, to me, is that if I illegally park and get a $50 fine but some other person is charged $20 because of income earnings, I'd be pissed. No, people shouldn't be illegally parking on purpose, either. Yes, I know they do in some areas. Some people are just rich and it's not fair. No, I'm not one of them.