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catboy0_0 posted...

Gotta run back to town after clearing all the treasure in a dungeon to rest up before actually fighting the boss.

Thats awesome, lol

Sex, yes. Protection? Nah

When it comes to pretty much anything I can change, I become obsessed with getting it right. This first became apparent with TES4: Oblivion. I was fascinated with the game world, but I kept restarting over and over and over again because I was so afraid to find a physical character flaw that I was locked in to.

Happened again in Skyrim until the first expansion that added the Riften face changer. But whats funny is that once I was freed of the commitment, I didnt care. But if I cant change it, it becomes an obsession.

The latest incident is with Elder Scrolls Online. I just found out that by skipping the tutorial for Summerset, Ive lost out on a skill point permenantly. Now, this shouldnt bother me. Ive looked it up (red flags) and even if you collected every available skill point, youd still be over 100 short from maxing everything. Meaning I would NEVER miss it. But for the simple fact that I can never have it, I feel a tremendous compulsion to restart.

I dont want to do that cuz I know its trivial. Moreso I know that my mind will find some other min/maxing fixation to obsess over. Yet, I have this dread in my mind as I continue to play this character (whom I got EXACTLY the way I want him), that Im gonna give in and restart. Its like I cant just enjoy something.

It was so bad with Destiny that I remade the exact same Exo Titan about 20 times just so I could verify I got the colors right. I even had my gf help me verify that the color detail I added was red and not some shade of orange. For some reason, it HAD to be red, but my mind found a way to convince me he was flawed and that in some lights it was orange. Id restart again and again.

I got into ESO cuz Im going through a rough patch in life and I need a timesink to take my mind off things after work. Its just one skill point that will never mean anything. WHY is it suddenly all consuming that I have it? How do I just let go and be free to enjoy the game?

Cum for me

That would suck to be that tall. Doorways, driving, trying to sleep in nearly any bed...damn. That, and the most hung guy on the planet would be what it takes just to satisfy her.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Is that cat guy's experience the same as the experience of transgenders?

He perceived himself to associate so much with a cat that he pursued extreme surgical measures to live the part.

Thats not so different as a trans person attempting to physically become the other gender.

People are willing to do many things. That doesn't demonstrate the same experience.

People are willing to do many things, lol. Okay? How does it not demonstrate a very similar experience?

Dragonblade01 posted...

Is that cat guy's experience the same as the experience of transgenders?

He perceived himself to associate so much with a cat that he pursued extreme surgical measures to live the part.

Thats not so different as a trans person attempting to physically become the other gender.

BlameAnesthesia posted...

Kensaimage posted...

So I do believe gender dysmorphia to be a form of mental disorder.

Well it's a good thing the medical community doesn't rely on your opinion to base our scientific understanding of phenomenon.

And for what it's worth gender dysphoria =/= transgenderism, the medical community recognizes gender dysphoria as a mental illness, but it is defined as the distress caused by the miss match in gender identity, which largely is alleviated with transitioning.

Your fears of "rewriting scientific definitions" is only because you sound like someone with a high school biology's level of understanding of science and think the terms you learned in class have been written in stone. Science necessarily changes as we progress. Like I said before, Newton's mechanics used to be "fact", but they're not as true to reality is Einstein's relativity. That being said, Newton's mechanics are still a valid modality for a specific set of problems.

As humans progress and gene modification becomes a thing, the line will continue to get blurred and the distinction more and more a matter of semantics.

Its actually very simple. You are literally alive today because a male fertilized a female egg, and your FEMALE mother carried you.

It only sounds simplistic because Im not conforming to this leftist push to modify anything even remotely offensive. Im sorry, but a male is a male, and a female is a female. With the exception of the very rare hermaphrodite, its all biologically very simple.

The discussion for the mental issues becomes one of psychology. I believe what makes us human goes well above and beyond our physical gender. But the brain, as I said, is prone to all manner of issues. Compulsions. Psychosis. Depression. Mania. You name it. Its a pyproduct of self awareness.

You cannot become something you are biologically not. No more than that man really was a tiger, or a trans person mutilates their genitals.

DarkTransient posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Says who? Take that cat guy for example. He modified the hell out of himself and still committed suicide.

Im also not bitching just cuz I have a different opinion. Its a social forum. Youre gonna get opposing opinions from time to time.

Ok how about we dont take that cat guy because he isnt what this is about at all. Now try again.

You dont get to brush something off cuz you dont know how to respond. The cat guy IS a legitimate comparison to someone unable to cope with what they wish they were.

Can you provide a link to the source that shows his brain scan showed him having a more cat-like than human-like brain, or anything on that level to validate your theory it's the same thing?

The guy had nearly 200k invested in radical surgeries to permenantly modify his body to be feline. He changed his diet to eat dangerously rare meat. Hell, he even stated he was researching a surgery to allow him to walk on all fours permenantly.

Fuck outta here with that nonsense about it not having clear similarities between a man surgically modifying himself to be a woman.

The difference is that in the case of transgender people, studies have shown they literally have the brain structure of their desired gender (transtrenders excluded). There's no such equivalent with otherkin; there's no reason to believe they're anything other than overgrown children continuing to play pretend.

Then this is a psychological issue. Simple. Gender roles/identity issues do not mean you were supposed to be the opposite gender. It just means theres some developmental disparity.

shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Says who? Take that cat guy for example. He modified the hell out of himself and still committed suicide.

Im also not bitching just cuz I have a different opinion. Its a social forum. Youre gonna get opposing opinions from time to time.

Ok how about we dont take that cat guy because he isnt what this is about at all. Now try again.

You dont get to brush something off cuz you dont know how to respond. The cat guy IS a legitimate comparison to someone unable to cope with what they wish they were.

Its easy to tell that youve lost this one because you cant even stay on the topic of trans people

But also because all of your arguments have been shit and utter nonsense that even children can see through

So you cant refute my points. Noted.

DarkTransient posted...

Kensaimage posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Says who? Take that cat guy for example. He modified the hell out of himself and still committed suicide.

Im also not bitching just cuz I have a different opinion. Its a social forum. Youre gonna get opposing opinions from time to time.

Ok how about we dont take that cat guy because he isnt what this is about at all. Now try again.

You dont get to brush something off cuz you dont know how to respond. The cat guy IS a legitimate comparison to someone unable to cope with what they wish they were.

Can you provide a link to the source that shows his brain scan showed him having a more cat-like than human-like brain, or anything on that level to validate your theory it's the same thing?

The guy had nearly 200k invested in radical surgeries to permenantly modify his body to be feline. He changed his diet to eat dangerously rare meat. Hell, he even stated he was researching a surgery to allow him to walk on all fours permenantly.

Fuck outta here with that nonsense about it not having clear similarities between a man surgically modifying himself to be a woman.

hockeybub89 posted...

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hockeybub89 posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Says who? Take that cat guy for example. He modified the hell out of himself and still committed suicide.

It's almost like a human seeing themselves as the wrong sex and seeing themselves as the wrong species might be different issues.

Disparity between reality and self image, and an inability to come to terms. Its in the same vein.

Giving what we know about chromosomal defects and intersex conditions, the complexity of the brain, and the fact that everyone "starts" as a "female" makes transgenderism a quite bit different than viewing yourself as non-human.

There is nothing suggesting that a human can be a cat. How could two humans give birth to a cat in a human body with a human brain?

Its about coming to terms with something that defies youre true nature. So whether its non human, the opposite gender, or something else entirely...this man could not cope with what he truly was. A man.

Its more about psychology against natural biology. How they line up. How they dont. So no, I dont think its so different that it cant be discussed. That, and trans people have committed suicide over this very issue. Some come to terms. Some cant. Its a sad situation, but it all stems in the brain. You arent flawed or incorrect because you have a penis. You just believe you are.

NONE of us choose what were born into. Face, gender, intelligence, physical attributes, etc. So I do believe gender dysmorphia to be a form of mental disorder.

I sound cold in this, but I dont intend to. I just believe its a very slippery slope when we start changing scientific definitions to appease social constructs

shockthemonkey posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Says who? Take that cat guy for example. He modified the hell out of himself and still committed suicide.

Im also not bitching just cuz I have a different opinion. Its a social forum. Youre gonna get opposing opinions from time to time.

Ok how about we dont take that cat guy because he isnt what this is about at all. Now try again.

You dont get to brush something off cuz you dont know how to respond. The cat guy IS a legitimate comparison to someone unable to cope with what they wish they were.

BlameAnesthesia posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Changing definitions around doesnt change facts. Even if you could change your gender surgically to the point of actual reproduction (likely WAY in the future), you were still modified after the fact.

As for being female by default, thats all in the gestation period. Meaning its just how it works. We also dont have many of our vital organs fully developed, nor can we survive without a full pregnancy cycle to fully form in the womb. Just cuz you were a blank slate that is female by default at the gestational stage doesnt mean that undergoing radical surgeries or hormone therapies changes the FACT that you were biologically not the sex you perceived yourself to be.

Now, I am NOT proposing some sort of ban or anti freedom sentiment. Do what you want. But that doesnt mean people have to accept it as scientific fact.

That whole pseudoscience logic can be applied to put a spin on literally anything. While science cant explain everything as we know it, gender and reproductivity are factually well understood. Who you are psychologically can vary. The brain is very complex. But gender isnt.

Dude, why does this fucking matter to you?

Dude, its a social forum and Im stating an opinion. Its not complicated

hockeybub89 posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Says who? Take that cat guy for example. He modified the hell out of himself and still committed suicide.

It's almost like a human seeing themselves as the wrong sex and seeing themselves as the wrong species might be different issues.

Disparity between reality and self image, and an inability to come to terms. Its in the same vein.

BlameAnesthesia posted...

Kensaimage posted...

The problem is a disparity between reality and the image of self.

So while there is a universality to certain laws (in physics for example), a lot of scientific theory is really nothing more than a functional model rather than a true representation of reality.

One could argue that since we perceive the world through our senses and our brain filters information such that our actual experience is never a true representation of "the real world", but really just an accurate simulation, so too are scientific theories simply models of how "real world" phenomena work.

Look at it this way, Newton's mechanics are a valid way of calculating projectile motion. It's pretty damn accurate in a lot of contexts too. It's just when you try to apply it to GPS it fails because it does not account for special relativity. Einstein's relativity is "truer" to reality, but time will tell if some other model will account for some "deeper" physics that we do not interact with on a function level yet (after all, they didn't have the capabilities for satellites in Newton's time...goes without saying).

Given this problem of epistemology that philosophy has wrestled with for millenia, science kind of takes an "out of sight, out of mind" approach to the problem and says the "trueness" of phenomena are not that important. The Bohr model of an atom is exactly that--a model. It's merely a way to conceptualize the phenomena and relate it to things for the purpose of doing something with those predictions.

When you apply this dynamic approach to reality to the social and psychological realities of human experience, a concrete conception of biological gender is not really...that important.

As technology improves, if the lines get further blurred and distinction matters less, can you say it is no longer grounded in reality? After all, we're all born "default female" until some genes in the Y chromosome are expressed during development, which then diverts into a male phenotype. But hormonal therapy reverses some of these secondary sexual characteristics and sexual reassignment surgery creates function and aesthetic where there used to be none. When gene modification technology improves, that line will be even more blurred. The conceptions people use to reject transgenderism can in all likelihood be modified as well.

We already have robotic limbs that can actually be controlled by your brain. If we're in the dawn of "cyborgs" I think modifying your fucking gender isn't that fucking far fetched. And I mean if it doesn't directly pertain to you, why so invested in an old idea being so right?

Changing definitions around doesnt change facts. Even if you could change your gender surgically to the point of actual reproduction (likely WAY in the future), you were still modified after the fact.

As for being female by default, thats all in the gestation period. Meaning its just how it works. We also dont have many of our vital organs fully developed, nor can we survive without a full pregnancy cycle to fully form in the womb. Just cuz you were a blank slate that is female by default at the gestational stage doesnt mean that undergoing radical surgeries or hormone therapies changes the FACT that you were biologically not the sex you perceived yourself to be.

Now, I am NOT proposing some sort of ban or anti freedom sentiment. Do what you want. But that doesnt mean people have to accept it as scientific fact.

That whole pseudoscience logic can be applied to put a spin on literally anything. While science cant explain everything as we know it, gender and reproductivity are factually well understood. Who you are psychologically can vary. The brain is very complex. But gender isnt.

shockthemonkey posted...

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Kensaimage posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If you need surgery to fix your broken arm, do you have a mental disorder?

Cutting your dick off voluntarily is NOT the same thing

Correcting a physical problem is correcting a physical problem no matter how ya wanna slice it

Except having a penis isnt a physical problem, lol.

Why do people seem to think that altering the body surgical changes you into whatever you perceive? An artificial vagina cant attach to a womb and ovaries and all that stuff. You dont suddenly become a woman just cuz you cut your dick off.

If your brain doesnt think you should have a penis and feels natural by having surgery to correct that then how is it not a physical problem? Changing the physical structure solves the problem without any issues other than social nonsense from shitheads.

The problem is a disparity between reality and the image of self. The brain is not some perfect machine. It can be affected by all manner of disorders. Self mutilation doesnt alter what you really are and never will. It just makes it easier to play pretend.

So a person functions perfectly after a physical change and youre still bitching? Thats on you, friend.

Says who? Take that cat guy for example. He modified the hell out of himself and still committed suicide.

Im also not bitching just cuz I have a different opinion. Its a social forum. Youre gonna get opposing opinions from time to time.

shockthemonkey posted...

Kensaimage posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Kensaimage posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If you need surgery to fix your broken arm, do you have a mental disorder?

Cutting your dick off voluntarily is NOT the same thing

Correcting a physical problem is correcting a physical problem no matter how ya wanna slice it

Except having a penis isnt a physical problem, lol.

Why do people seem to think that altering the body surgical changes you into whatever you perceive? An artificial vagina cant attach to a womb and ovaries and all that stuff. You dont suddenly become a woman just cuz you cut your dick off.

If your brain doesnt think you should have a penis and feels natural by having surgery to correct that then how is it not a physical problem? Changing the physical structure solves the problem without any issues other than social nonsense from shitheads.

The problem is a disparity between reality and the image of self. The brain is not some perfect machine. It can be affected by all manner of disorders. Self mutilation doesnt alter what you really are and never will. It just makes it easier to play pretend.

shockthemonkey posted...

Kensaimage posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If you need surgery to fix your broken arm, do you have a mental disorder?

Cutting your dick off voluntarily is NOT the same thing

Correcting a physical problem is correcting a physical problem no matter how ya wanna slice it

Except having a penis isnt a physical problem, lol.

Why do people seem to think that altering the body surgical changes you into whatever you perceive? An artificial vagina cant attach to a womb and ovaries and all that stuff. You dont suddenly become a woman just cuz you cut your dick off.

shockthemonkey posted...

If you need surgery to fix your broken arm, do you have a mental disorder?

Cutting your dick off voluntarily is NOT the same thing

TC blows

Kinda just done here

WSM Piru posted...

Lmfao if you think there is no sexual attraction.

This. Shes probably already blown him