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That was pretty hilarious.

NightMarishPie posted...

omgbread posted...

NightMarishPie posted...

im considering selling cause i think it's going to crash shortly, then ill just buy back at a cheaper price....but at the same time i kind of want to ride this wave out for now

Nobody knows but my best guess would be a crazy run right now (up 64 dollars since the post) and then a crash back 8.5k at the lowest...that's your new bottom. I think you can buy BTC for around 9K maybe even a tad lower if you time it right next week...but a week from now you will never get it for less than 10k

yup just watched it jump like another $20 since you said that lol. i might as well just keep riding it I suppose. If it doesnt drop below what I initially bought it at(6200), there really isnt any point in selling I suppose

I mean it's a risk but there is def. still a point in selling. Divest to tether, wait, buy low, and now you have more BTC than you used to have. Then BTC recovers, you have more value.

NightMarishPie posted...

im considering selling cause i think it's going to crash shortly, then ill just buy back at a cheaper price....but at the same time i kind of want to ride this wave out for now

Nobody knows but my best guess would be a crazy run right now (up 64 dollars since the post) and then a crash back 8.5k at the lowest...that's your new bottom. I think you can buy BTC for around 9K maybe even a tad lower if you time it right next week...but a week from now you will never get it for less than 10k

Whatever you think of Crypto currency, this is a pretty incredible day.

Damn_Underscore posted...

bitcoin literally has no value

it['s not even viable as a currency

srsly?

Five Guys cajun fries dipped in a ketchup/mayo mix ftw

...also...lmfao someone voted for Wendy's. Wendy's is the worst.

Just went through its biggest crisis in years last week and is now at an all time high.

Bitcoin is a monster. Confidence in bitcoin is so high it can survive anything. It is a true currency and the most valuable in the world. 1 bitcoin will be worth $8K when you wake up tomorrow. Amazing.

Yea, there are a lot of them right now and it may be a bit of a bubble right now for some, but it's sticking around and for next few years it'll probably keep booming all over with periodic dips.

So, imagine if you have a Visa card that spends crypto (exists now), but this one could spend alts (which is possible today), but you could instantly switch which alt it spends with a click on your phone (this part is the one thing that isn't there yet as far as I know).

Now you can potentially load up 2 or 3 months of discretionary spending in a diversified portfolio and watch it...as you go about you life you only spend with the card from alts/coins that are up that day (just get SMS alerts). If everything is down, you spend on Visa and pay that off at the end of the month or when convenient (with the crypto card) thus getting points and stuff. Imagine if the card had software that did this for you!!!

If you did that and were very average/conservative with crytpo portfolio you could probably live at a very significant discount each month! Every swipe, every spend, would be the best price across many currencies!

Fishy posted...

I've basically doubled my BTC investment.

But I've lost $300 on OMG :(

I only started trading a week ago and quickly doubled my BTC riding some insane wave on OKcash that I just caught at the right time...now it's gone on paper as I'm sitting here holding this GRS bag (but hopefully not for long if it snaps back in a day or so).

Anyone into crypto? Bitcoin? Ethereum? Various altcoins?

DoctorVader posted...

Again, the only thing certain here is that we don't know. Everything you're saying is based on human behavior and assumptions. Remove those and nothing changes in terms of the viability of life. To say otherwise doesn't make you intelligent. It makes you look stupid.

I'm not here to say I know what is going on, I'm here to point out that there is a good probability we are alone in this galaxy.

DoctorVader posted...

omgbread posted...

What? We will almost certainly create this tech within the next 200ish years (max)

No, there is zero indication to this and even a far greater chance humans would avoid something like replicators as Sagan put it.

You don't seem to know what the words "almost certain" mean it seems. There's tons of factors here, yet you're guaranteeing things that have only shown up in sci-fi.

You're starting to sound stupider and stupider with your posts. You're either trolling or think you're coming off as enlightened when you're really not just like @itachi15243 said.

The basics of that tech exist now.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

omgbread posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The major misconception in that theory in the OP is that we had "uninterrupted development". There were several mass extinction events. A few of them wiped out more than 90% of species living at that time. And IIRC, the impact with the rogue planet that eventually formed the moon? There was life before that point and life afterward. A fucking planet collision couldn't stop (microbial) life.

relatively uninterrupted

No, that many global extinction events is being pretty thoroughly fucked with.

I guess it would be worse without Jupiter taming the asteroid belt, but who says a Jupiter type planet would be rare in these life-bearing solar systems? Who says they would even have an asteroid belt needing shepherded?

Having a Jupiter out there is a big thing (most Jupiter sized planets are actually close in to the sun so a big defender out wide is rare).

We are lucky to have Jupiter, a lot of systems have their Jupiter super close to the sun and not playing defense. We live in a safe zone and have been very lucky.

DoctorVader posted...

We will likely never create this technology, yet we're a pretty advanced civilization.

What? We will almost certainly create this tech within the next 200ish years (max)

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The major misconception in that theory in the OP is that we had "uninterrupted development". There were several mass extinction events. A few of them wiped out more than 90% of species living at that time. And IIRC, the impact with the rogue planet that eventually formed the moon? There was life before that point and life afterward. A fucking planet collision couldn't stop (microbial) life.

relatively uninterrupted

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buy Ether and hold

Bitcoin will crash

other alt coins are BS

Ether is legit

DoctorVader posted...

14 billion years doesn't guarantee replicators.

14 billion years heavily implies replicators

The other crazy thing about the electron is that we have never measured how big it is, as far as we know it is infinitely small. It's basically not really there.

DuranOfForcena posted...

there is a theory that there is only one electron that exists and has ever existed in the universe, and it can move forward and backward in spacetime, and thus every single electron that exists is really just an instance of the one electron

trippy stuff

Less than 13 minutes....crazy ass one-electron universe theory explained

Decoy NYC

Questionmarktarius posted...

Kineth posted...

What is the relevance of that statement?

The "size" of an electron may be its entire orbital. All at once.

Actually I believe that is correct. It's really the whole "cloud" it exists in that is "it"...when in its quantum state...of course if we measure it we then localize it into a single area

itachi15243 posted...

And I'm saying that we wouldn't. Technology just isn't good enough to get a good detailed look at everything that may hold life in our galaxy.

That along with theories of that one star having an alien installation to make use of the stars power. We have no way to know right now. Just accept it.

What specifically about the fermi paradox do you find most unlikely?

He reasons, based on our improving understanding of theoretical engineering capacities, that an intelligent civilization not much more advanced than us could start and complete within 10,000 years (and perhaps orders of magnitude faster) a project of launching a sufficient number of replicators for universal colonization. Basically, the civilization could build a Dyson sphere around its star and harness that energy to build and launch trillions of von Neumann self-replicating probes toward all the galaxies in the observable universe. Stuart then observes that this makes the Fermi paradox "worse" because 10,000 years (or less) on cosmological scales is almost no time at all, suggesting that the critical path would be travel time (rather than any earlier stage in the project), and there's clearly been more than enough travel time available to the probes of any intelligent inhabitants of stars and galaxies older than our own.

http://lincoln.metacannon.net/2012/02/do-dyson-spheres-and-von-neumann-probes.html

I'm saying we would perceive evidence. Not that aliens literally leave signs intending for us to see them...

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Somewhat surprisingly the answer no and we have no idea how big it is ... none.

poll

The one thing we know is the more people are against Trump the more likely he is to be elected.

If everyone just calmed down and forgot about the guy, depowering is ability to use division and political communications to stay relevant and polarize parties...he would end up an uninteresting failure that did nothing while in office and voted out at next election based on incompetence and failure to act.

TheKingOf-Kings posted...

You really don't know much about space or our galaxy if you think we've made any serious exploration of it. We've barely explored our solar system.

Go play Mass Effect.

I think you seriously underestimate our ability to look. We can't go anywhere...that's true. But when you think about the effect a civilization like ours will have in the next thousand years (therefore, the effect the similarly advanced civilization must have already had if life is common)....we can pick that stuff up...and in the case of probes...they would LIKELY be near us.

itachi15243 posted...

That makes no sense. Even though we don't have the technology to search, why do you think any intelligent life that might exist would be so far ahead of us that they would have the technology, the ability to communicate, and the desire?

What makes it "seem like we don't" when they could be at a point where they are above or below us technologically but not advanced enough to make contact?

Why does any sort of intelligent life have to be hundreds of years beyond us in your mind?

It's not about communication with us...it's about leaving the signs for us to realize they are or were there. Then...it's about time and scale..if common...it would have happened long ago, now, and in the future...so we would see signs. We don't.

To really boil it down to a simple statement...if life was remotely common we would see signs given the time scale we are dealing with...and we don't.

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itachi15243 posted...

For all we know, ever other galaxy could have intelligent life on multiple planets and a way to reach us, however have decided that our race is too barbaric, and unworthy.

Or maybe there was intelligent life in our galaxy that died out thousands of years ago.

Maybe life is just forming nearby or far away.

I think any definitive statement about life or no life in our galaxy, or any galaxy is pointless at this point.

Ok, so it isn't so much no life...but its no life now or before that was relatively close to our level of civilization. We are alone, or the first to get to this point...if you consider the biological jackpot that created us and the limited (although huge) number of planets where the chain of events producing us is possible.

It would be great to find microbes on Mars...but that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about having another civilization to co-exist with...seems like we don't even if we had the tech to truly search.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Any other life would of existed long before us. Were so far away from each other it dosnt matter time itself prevents us from reaching other intelligent life.

Without faster than light travel it isn't practical to even consider discovering or entertaining the idea of aliens.

Meeting aliens face to face...maybe. But if 1 single time an advanced civilization got 1 single wave of replicating exploratory probes off...then you would find them (in fact you would likely find them everywhere)

fenderbender321 posted...

More resources for us.

you could start here an listen to the 10 minute or so bit he goes into at this point of the interview:

https://youtu.be/QZl3ohphHSE?t=5154

Lots of stuff out there on this though...arguments against a lot of life in the galaxy appear more persuasive than those for life being every where.

DoctorVader posted...

You're underestimating the size of the galaxy. It's impossible to know what's happening in the near half a trillion stars spread over 100k light-years. It's stupid to even say anything final like that.

I get that, my point is that when you put it that way you it is easy to say of course the galaxy is littered with life and civilizations.

When you take another moment, and think through the biology that happened here and the probability of that happening bumped up against the likely number of other planets like us...you realize it may not be littered with life at all...in fact it may contain no life at all....then you look at the lack of evidence for life and complete and total improbability of a lack of evidence if life were common...and you realize we are likely alone.

ChromaticAngel posted...

omgbread posted...

Add on the furmi paradox ... no real signs of any life including von nueman probes...and it looks like we're alone.

Von Nueman probes violate thermodynamics so not seeing them is no surprise.

Von Neumann probes in no way violate thermodynamics (or any other law or theory of science)

Questionmarktarius posted...

Stars are very far apart, and it takes a rather long time for light to travel between them.

For any two intelligent species to even be aware the other exists, there needs to be some pretty fantastically unlikely coincidences, the biggest being that at least one be able to understand the other's signals. This requires at that civilization to be at a sufficiently advanced level the exact moment the relevant photons arrive, and recognize what its seeing, while the other civilization has to have been at a sufficiently advanced level to send those photons long enough ago to have sent those signals. Also those photons have to have not degraded into noise along the way.

If there's life around the closest other star, and it starts transmitting "hello universe!" right now, we won't see it for four years, and that assumes we know what to even look for.

That's where the furmi paradox comes in...assuming we don't go extinct...it will be just a few hundred years (maybe a thousand or so at most) until we launch intelligent self-replicated robots into space which can explore and colonize the galaxy with exponential expansion (in just a few million years actually which is amazing).

On the scale of time that exists in our galaxy, that is basically no time at all between us coming into existence and having signs of us all of the galaxy...yet there are no signs of anyone else doing this and no reason why anyone capable of doing it would not do it...therefore...nobody else exists or we are one of the first/most advanced.

To me, this is kind of depressing. The idea that we may the only ones in teh galaxy, or the most advanced ones in the galaxy, kind of kills the sense of wonder when looking out at stars.

FrozenXylophone posted...

but the universe is really big

Right but that is irrelevant b/c we will never even communicate with anything outside of our galaxy.

Within our galaxy...which is basically all that matters aside from looking at million/billion year old light...we appear to be alone.

Pepys Monster posted...

It's not sad. Do you want to be enslaved by an advanced alien race and forced to do physical labor mining for them until you're too old and then destroyed?

I suppose that eliminates that as a possibility...but I would roll the dice on that not happening if given the option and see what other civilizations would be like.

Per the internet, it is likely that there are about 20 billion "earth like" planets (small rocky planets in the habitable zone) in the Milky Way.

But...it took about 3 billion years (~1/4 the age of the entire universe) of relatively uninterrupted development (a statistical miracle) for us to get to this point.

It may well be the case that the chances of this happening are less than 1 in 20 billion.

Add on the furmi paradox ... no real signs of any life including von nueman probes...and it looks like we're alone.

All alone in the galaxy with no way to ever even communicate with anything outside of our galaxy even if given thousands of years to develop better tech.

Kind of sad really. Just us.

Prestoff posted...

@AceMos @omgbread

Yeah I agree, this is the first for everything so I never expected to be good. But it is a start of something beautiful.

It could get better.

Although, the amount of money to really take this to the next level needs gov't support...we kind of need a Kaiju invasion.

Or...maybe Elon Musk gets in the game.

Prestoff posted...

Ulyanyx posted...

should have been shot live

could have been a new sport tbh

It would've sucked live, but none the less I can see this being an actual thing if they can get actual rulings and make the mechs more interesting to fight.

They kind of need the mechs to be the same...2 standard mechs with punching ability only and good mobility would be the best fight

Rain_Dust posted...

Laaaaammmeeee 2 years for shit

IDK man, those are real robots...pretty cool when you realize how big they are and that they are real

They need weight classes and 2 leagues, 1 for hand to hand and 1 w/ out pilots for real guns.

Of course, I doubt the gov't will let a real giant robot be built with real giants guns

Eh, this was about as entertaining as I expected. Worth the watch.

I see no possible way Japan can beat our big robot...it's too big it cannot be hurt

omg Japan blinded us with a smoke drone

They made it seem impossible to knock that thing over in testing...

lmfao that was anti-climactic

Prestoff posted...

omgbread posted...

lol wut? America gets a 2 on 1 advantage?

It only makes Japan look good.

Oh they clarified, we have 2 models they only have 1 model...but there will be 2 separate 1 on 1 fights

lol wut? America gets a 2 on 1 advantage?

AnbuSpecialist posted...

What are the rules and where can I find them? Whats stopping either team from strapping on a minigun and killing the opposing pilot? Are humans actually going to be in the bots or are there safety dummy replacements?

Budget and weight limits..?

I think a real pilot will be in both bots. No budget. Pretty sure it goes until you kill the other pilot.