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| Topic | WH basically said It doesn't matter if we lie about Minorities. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 4:33:53 PM #55 | Waluigi7 posted... That_Happened posted...darkjedilink posted...Both statements are straight-up lies, with no basis in fact whatsoever. Ok ok you're right. --- |
| Topic | WH basically said It doesn't matter if we lie about Minorities. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 4:31:39 PM #52 | darkjedilink posted... Both statements are straight-up lies, with no basis in fact whatsoever. "My wife left me because of liberals." --- |
| Topic | WH basically said It doesn't matter if we lie about Minorities. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 4:17:15 PM #46 | darkjedilink posted... And there's no premise of truth in the claims that women are paid less for the same jobs and productivity, or that 1 in 5 women on college campuses in America are raped. There are aspects of the wage gap that cannot be explained away. Even economists would agree. 1 in 5 women on college campuses are not raped, but that's an accurate ratio in terms of sexual assault (which includes unwanted touching, kissing, and the like). Meanwhile the video Trump posted wasn't an "exaggeration" or "hyperbole." It was just a flat-out lie. That's the difference. It doesn't make either tactic "right" but Trump is clearly worse. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 2:30:33 PM #195 | ChromaticAngel posted... Squall/That_Happened: Sexual assault is bad. To prevent sexual assault, here is how women should dress, how they're allowed to act, what they're allowed to eat/drink, where they're allowed to go, who they're allowed to go with, when they're allowed to go, who they're allowed to interact with when they go out, and if they broke any of these rules and got raped then it's because they just weren't careful enough. Post 140 (which was also a response to one of your posts, CA) That_Happened posted... Yes, we get it: you wrongly think anyone who disagrees with you is excusing rape. We've heard it. The weird thing about this conversation is that I completely hear your points of view. You think how a woman dresses has very little effect on whether or not she'll be sexually assaulted in any way, whether that be raped, kissed, groped, felt up, purposely brushed against, or anything in between. You think women should not be asked to be held responsible for how they present themselves in public. I disagree with you, but I hear what you're saying. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 2:24:07 PM #192 | mario2000 posted... Rape is 100% the fault of the rapist and no one else, no matter the circumstances. I agree, but ending your analysis here does nothing to prevent future rapes from occurring. You have to ask questions about what happened, why it happened, and evaluate the most effective ways to attack the problem. Also keep in mind we're not just talking about forcible rape here. We're talking about all kinds of sexual assault/harassment, which would include things like unwanted touching or aggressive behavior. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 2:19:31 PM #190 | MC_BatCommander posted... This is all 100% anecdotal though. Just because it confirms what you're trying to argue doesn't mean it's real evidence. Sure, I admit it's anecdotal. But the reverse, the idea that provocative clothing doesn't provoke, just seems silly to me. The idea that a woman in a short skirt and a thong at a concert will receive the same amount of unwanted ass grabs as the same woman in a pair of jeans does not pass the "straight face test" at all. --- |
| Topic | So Mal_Fet, he for real? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 2:16:08 PM #62 | Mal_Fet posted... That_Happened posted...Mal_Fet posted...Also a lie. All I took issue with was Did you say this to yourself in a mirror or something? Because you're the one who took a reasonable suggestion from the Girl Scouts of America and had an enormous meltdown over the liberal agenda. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 2:13:33 PM #186 | Zodd3224 posted... Why attract the attention if you dont want it? Again, you dont see men walking around in speedos and shirtless. Actually if you go to a major metro area you will see lots of guys going around shirtless (usually while working out or jogging but still). The difference is women don't have nearly as much testosterone, and the guys are usually much bigger than the average woman, so the guys aren't likely to get sexually assaulted and the women aren't as likely to commit it. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 2:11:37 PM #185 | MC_BatCommander posted... Yes but the issue here is that you have no proof that wearing skimpy clothing actually increases unwanted attention or risk of assault, it is just your opinion it does. I posted about an example earlier. That_Happened posted... Whenever these discussions come up I start to think of a few news reports I've seen of women crowdsurfing at concerts. All it took was a woman jumping on top of the crowd in a bathing suit and almost instantly a swarm of male hands started groping her, and in some cases unfastening her bikini and stripping it off of her. A few of the bands would call it out and try to stop it from happening, but it rarely happened so blatantly to the women in t-shirts and shorts or jeans. The shitty guys in that crowd took advantage of their opportunity to cop a feel and they didn't care about the age of the woman above them. I've also seen too many examples growing up of boys at school feeling up girls in thin yoga pants or smacking their asses, guys in the club grinding up against women in the skimpiest outfits, guys asking girls in bikinis to play "chicken" and then (oops) purposely/accidentally yanking at their clothes, guys trying to secretly snap pictures up girls' short skirts, and so on and so on. Increased attention + easy access clothing or very thin clothing = more likely to get groped or felt up. That has been what I've seen my entire life. --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 2:03:44 PM #75 | Wolf_J_Flywheel posted... Depends on the attractiveness of the workers, factoring in job and wealth into that attractiveness. So probably not. If wall street investors cat called women on a side walk, I bet it would swing in a different direction. So, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you think that if the people who were catcalling women and saying all kinds of sexual things about them were financially well off and handsome, most women would enjoy the constant attention? --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:46:29 PM #179 | MC_BatCommander posted... What makes you so sure of this? Women are harassed and assaulted regardless of what they wear. We keep coming back to this. "Women in all kinds of clothing are assaulted" is not a strong rebuttal to "If you wear skimpy clothing you're going to raise the chances of you getting unwanted attention, which could lead to worse." Just like if I said "putting your phone away while you drive prevents car accidents," the response shouldn't be "well people get into car accidents every day, even when they're NOT on their phones." Yes, both situations can and do happen to anyone but we're talking about lowering the chances you will have one of these encounters. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:36:39 PM #176 | Asherlee10 posted... Getting wasted is not in the same neighborhood as the suggestion for different attire. Alcohol is going to alter her own behavior, changing her clothes is not. Alcohol is going to alter her own behavior (like you said), and changing her clothes is going to alter men's behavior. Not that it's her responsibility to do so, but the fact is it does. Asherlee10 posted... (Note: I'm coming from 3 consecutive meetings that just hurt my brain, so I may not be articulating as well as I should be) That's ok. I still think I get what you're saying. You believe that suggestions about alcohol consumption and not walking down a dark alley at night are legitimate ways to curb sexual assault, but you don't think a woman altering her attire is going to change anything. I can't say I agree with the last part but at least we understand each other (I think). --- |
| Topic | If fat women are beautiful, why do they need to tell everyone they are? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:20:26 PM #5 | For the same reason that losers on CE with social anxiety issues who have never kissed a girl tell everyone they're "nice guys" or "would never sleep with a slut" or "are choosing not to have kids." Because it beats being depressed about the truth all day. --- |
| Topic | So Mal_Fet, he for real? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:10:33 PM #51 | Mal_Fet posted... Multiple people asked what benefit there is to telling kids to hug their family. I said, naturally, to teach kids to be more social, That_Happened posted... He lost his shit and claimed that children should be forced to hug their aunts and uncles even if they're uncomfortable with it, because "how else will they ever learn how to be affectionate?" Haha, see? I wasn't lying. "You can't teach kids how to be more social without forcing them to hug family members they're uncomfortable around!" Because your creation of that topic and your response to the article was nowhere near as even-tempered as you're pretending to be right now. You were off the rails with disgust over their mere suggestion. --- |
| Topic | So Mal_Fet, he for real? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:08:49 PM #50 | Balrog0 posted... you literally said that people are taught to hug their relatives because otherwise they grow up to be entitled and self-centered Yup. Mal_Fet posted... Also a lie. All I took issue with was What you took issue with was that it was a suggestion coming from a dirty liberal. That's usually the reason you lose your mind and start flipping out over the smallest things. --- |
| Topic | Conservatives complain about black kids not having fathers |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:06:22 PM #247 | thanosibe posted... Oh so you already have your mind made up and really don't want to debate? Sorry I put some effort into responding to you. You didn't put any effort into your response. You gave the usual wishy-washy bullshit of "Well the government should care about the people, no matter who writes the letter with the legitimate complaint...I would hope that it would be taken seriously..." I'm not asking you how things should be. I'm asking you to be honest about how things are. And you can't even do that. --- |
| Topic | Conservatives complain about black kids not having fathers |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:00:55 PM #244 | thanosibe posted... That_Happened posted...thanosibe posted...I really can't answer that to be honest.Breaking laws you don't like doesn't negate you from punishment. The only way this is up for debate is by changing the law. Like how marijuana is legal in many states in the US. Yes you can. The answer is no. The marijuana laws would never have been changed if the people leading the way were black or african american. Just like we're seeing with the opioid crisis among white people. When we're addicted to drugs it's a problem that needs to be delicately solved. When minorities are addicted to drugs, the government jails them. --- |
| Topic | Conservatives complain about black kids not having fathers |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 12:47:23 PM #241 | thanosibe posted... Breaking laws you don't like doesn't negate you from punishment. The only way this is up for debate is by changing the law. Like how marijuana is legal in many states in the US. Do you think the marijuana laws would have ever been changed if black people were leading the charge toward that change? --- |
| Topic | Conservatives complain about black kids not having fathers |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 12:46:10 PM #240 | josifrees posted... People acting like these issues are exclusive to African Americans are naive and oblivious I don't think anyone is acting like the issues are exclusive to anyone. They're more prevalent in black families, though. --- |
| Topic | So Mal_Fet, he for real? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 12:41:42 PM #46 | FigureOfSpeech posted... I am curious though, in the girl scout hugging controversy topic, Ha! I remember that one. He lost his shit and claimed that children should be forced to hug their aunts and uncles even if they're uncomfortable with it, because "how else will they ever learn how to be affectionate?" --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 12:25:52 PM #71 | im not 13 posted... Unwanted could mean more than one thing in the context. Maybe he's hitting on her and she hasn't explicitly said stop or drawn a line If she is rejecting you repeatedly and makes no attempt to compromise (for example, she never says anything like "No Friday night doesn't work for me, but what about Saturday afternoon?") then you should take the hint. --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 12:23:50 PM #70 | Esrac posted... He didn't say that. He said it doesn't mean she rejected the man repeatedly. The advance could be unwanted at the very first asking. Bro do you know what REPEATED means? That_Happened posted... 2 A male coworker giving repeated, unwanted invitations to a female colleague to go out for drinks, dinner, or dates. Is this sexual harassment? --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:46:26 AM #64 | daftpunk_mk5 posted... That_Happened posted...(Let's assume neither party in any of these situations is a boss or has any power over the other person). The word "unwanted" implies that she has rejected the man repeatedly. --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:45:16 AM #61 | Cocytus posted... That_Happened posted...Newhopes posted...You do know a few countries brought in laws where men can be fined just for talking to a woman recently don't you? And I wonder if Newhopes thinks we're on the brink of becoming the next Saudi Arabia. If he thinks it's realistic that America will be passing laws making it illegal for a man to talk to a woman. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:42:57 AM #171 | Asherlee10 posted... That_Happened posted...Asherlee, are you also against suggesting that women shouldn't get hammered and drunk at parties where lots of men will be? I suggested that women should avoid dressing in skimpy clothes when going out to places where lots of men will be, to avoid random sexual assault (groping, grinding for example). I'm giving another example of a suggestion that I feel women should take in order to avoid being vulnerable to opportunistic men: not getting drunk at parties with a bunch of guys (I believe I read somewhere that alcohol is involved in 80% of sexual assault cases). Do you also feel this suggestion is wrong and sexist? --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:40:42 AM #169 | ChromaticAngel posted... Raisman is the one who retweeted women should be allowed to feel comfortable in her own skin. Gabby disagreed with her with the "it's our responsibility" bullshit. Raisman is also the one who was sexually assault. ...Which is exactly what I said. Did you read my post incorrectly? --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:39:00 AM #54 | Newhopes posted... You do know a few countries brought in laws where men can be fined just for talking to a woman recently don't you? Really? Which countries? --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:24:46 AM #42 | einegutePerson posted... and to them, constantly asking someone out (who has said to stop) is not seen as overtly sexual, so they don't feel the moral pressure to stop Yeah this part was pretty surprising, to me. What kind of guy thinks repeatedly asking out a girl who always says "no" to you is a good idea? --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:22:15 AM #164 | ChromaticAngel posted... your lack of understanding of the context is pretty fucking impressive at this point. Actually this would be you getting the context wrong. I'm not excusing what Gabby said, but what she was responding to wasn't the assault of Aly Raisman. She was responding to a retweet that Aly put out that specifically said: When a woman dresses sexy it does not give a man the right to sexually abuse her EVER. Woman are allowed to feel sexy and comfortable in their own skin, in fact I encourage you all to wear what you feel good in. Gabby wasn't telling Aly that she was partially responsible for being sexually assaulted. She was disagreeing with part of the statement in Aly's retweet. Btw, you still haven't honestly answered the question that I've asked twice now: is it wrong to suggest to women that they shouldn't get hammered and drunk at a party where lots of men will be? --- |
| Topic | I got into a debate with a millenials yesterday |
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| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:10:40 AM #97 | HypnoCoosh posted... That_Happened posted...Would you consider choking out a non-violent person who was posing no threat to them "doing their job well?" You can't say "let's wait and see what happens" while also making up a narrative completely out of thin air. --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:08:19 AM #31 | Wolf_J_Flywheel posted... That_Happened posted...Cocytus posted...Let's define catcalling first. We all think we know what it is, but how would we define it...? Out of curiosity, when construction workers or laborers catcall women on a busy city street, do you think the number of women who enjoy it and the number of women who hate it are about equal? --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:06:53 AM #159 | ChromaticAngel posted... That_Happened posted...Asherlee, are you also against suggesting that women shouldn't get hammered and drunk at parties where lots of men will be? Don't jump ahead like that. No one said anything about "deserving to be raped." Stick to the question I asked you: is it wrong to suggest to women that they shouldn't get hammered and drunk at a party where lots of men will be? --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:05:38 AM #25 | Esrac posted... The tl;dr for that article is "because sexism". She even makes it a point to bring up Clinton losing to Trump in the election to reinforce her argument that men are sexist. She also only barely mentions the fact that men are the ones who make the initial move for romantic encounters just to dismiss it out of hand. This is why I didn't post the article itself. The "Hillary Clinton wasn't elected because sexism" angle is mostly bullshit and detracts from the overall point. I wanted to see how CE felt about a few of the questions in the survey. --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:04:16 AM #22 | Cocytus posted... Let's define catcalling first. We all think we know what it is, but how would we define it...? I gave the definition in the OP. Female coworker walks by, male coworker makes flirtatious or sexual comments about her body and her appearance. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:02:32 AM #154 | Squall28 posted... If a girl is in a skimpy outfit, I'm going to check her out as will all straight men. You need to add more to this, to be more clear. If a girl is in a skimpy outfit, most straight men are going to check her out. Of those straight men, there's a good chance several of them will have terrible impulse control. Asherlee, are you also against suggesting that women shouldn't get hammered and drunk at parties where lots of men will be? --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 11:00:29 AM #16 | Wolf_J_Flywheel posted... There was a time when women just knew who to avoid in the hall and it was am inside joke. Now, you can't even flirt with someone in an attempt to begin a relationship without worrying that she'll get triggered. I personally wouldn't date anybody I work with. It's a bad idea and it's almost certain to get messy. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 10:58:55 AM #152 | Asherlee10 posted... That_Happened posted...It's not as subjective as some like to pretend: if the clothes don't fit you and you're leaking out all over the place then it's probably not "dressing modestly." If you're showing off a lot of skin in a setting where it's not necessary it's probably not "dressing modestly." But only on a forum with a bunch of people who pull out the dictionary for every argument would someone need a 100% foolproof definition of the phrase. People know what "skimpy clothing" is, and they don't need Webster in their back pocket to define it. And my point was that it's not as subjective as some like to pretend. It's not like we're all blind to what constitutes "skimpy or revealing clothing." --- |
| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 10:54:51 AM #90 | HypnoCoosh posted... No I mean in general acting like a douchy asshole can result in getting your ass kicked. The police shouldn't be doing the ass kicking over something so petty. In fact it's illegal for them to do it. HypnoCoosh posted... As for the RO cops you don't fuck with them because they do their jobs and do them well. Would you consider choking out a non-violent person who was posing no threat to them "doing their job well?" --- |
| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 10:49:44 AM #84 | HypnoCoosh posted... How anyone can be so naive to think they just "choked" this dude out for no reason is beyond me. Wouldn't matter, as you literally just said that it doesn't matter to you if there was more to the story or not. Remember? You said that acting like an entitled asshole is enough to get your ass kicked by the cops in RO. HypnoCoosh posted... sometimes acting like an entitled asshole douchebag will get your ass kicked. --- |
| Topic | Are Men Aware of Sexual Harassment? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 10:45:47 AM #1 | (Let's assume neither party in any of these situations is a boss or has any power over the other person). 1 A male coworker catcalling or making unwanted statements about a female colleague's appearance to her as she walks by. Is this sexual harassment? 2 A male coworker giving repeated, unwanted invitations to a female colleague to go out for drinks, dinner, or dates. Is this sexual harassment? 3 Do you feel sexual harassment is a fireable offense? --- |
| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 10:25:53 AM #77 | RE_expert44 posted... SavenForever posted...eston posted...SavenForever posted...I wonder if anything was said as he was walking out of the building that would provoke a situation where a security guard needs to take him out as he's leaving the building. Choking someone out for being a douchebag wouldn't be one of them. Making up quotes and saying they "probably" happened? Lol. Here's an example of that "let's just wait for all the facts before we come to a conclusion" behavior we're used to seeing from conservatives. --- |
| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 9:23:34 AM #66 | HypnoCoosh posted... Classy! That_Happened posted... When it's a Neo-Nazi holding weapons, screaming in peoples faces and literally threatening others, you're all "Hey, you can't assault someone for disagreeing with your opinion! The police need to let them have their freedom of speech!"" --- |
| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 9:22:00 AM #64 | HypnoCoosh posted... That_Happened posted..."Being a douchebag" is not grounds for security guards to choke you out. When it's a Neo-Nazi holding weapons, screaming in peoples faces and literally threatening others, you're all "Hey, you can't assault someone for disagreeing with your opinion! The police need to let them have their freedom of speech!" When it's a harmless d-bag paying a fine in pennies, you're suddenly "he was an entitled asshole and he should've known better. You don't fuck with the police in RO." Shut the fuck up. --- |
| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 9:08:17 AM #56 | TheVipaGTS posted... kinetika_ posted...why are people against this guy, because he's a 'hipster'? "Being a douchebag" is not grounds for security guards to choke you out. --- |
| Topic | Hipster tries to pay for ticket with change. Gets choked out and poops self. |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 9:07:06 AM #53 | Funkydog posted... Wait, they choked him out for doing that, or am I misunderstanding? >.> It appears so. The guy was literally leaving the building when the guard grabbed him from behind and started roughing him up. Unless the guy said something like "I'm going to my car to get my gun," then this is complete bullshit. You can't be a guard/officer and fuck someone up just for being an annoying hipster. --- |
| Topic | Why are there so many false rape accusations nowadays? |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 1:57:21 AM #11 | I know better than to watch Tucker Carlson. He wouldn't debate in an honest manner if his life depended on it. The answer to your question, TC, is "there aren't a lot at all." But if someone is caught falsely accusing someone, they should be sent to jail. --- |
| Topic | Denzel Washington: Dont blame the prison system, it's how you raise your kids! |
| That_Happened 11/29/17 12:50:01 AM #22 | r4X0r posted... When a conservative makes their point, we show you data proving that we're correct. I spit out everything I drank today. This is a hilarious post. Note: I'm not disagreeing with what you've posted in here, but if you think conservatives regularly post "facts" then you're sorely mistaken. You jokers fall for fake news and manipulated data more than liberals do, and that's well documented. --- |
| Topic | Conservatives complain about black kids not having fathers |
| That_Happened 11/28/17 11:29:16 PM #228 | darkjedilink posted... No, breaking a "bad law" is not "good." Getting that law CHANGED via civil action is good. And then black people start taking civil action to change bad laws, and darkjedilink continues to complain because he aligns himself with neo nazis. Plus liberal blacks and Obamacare took his wife so he'll never trust them again. --- |
| Topic | however it is our responsibility as women to dress modestly and be classy. |
| That_Happened 11/28/17 7:15:22 PM #140 | FrisbeeDude posted... Not to mention, "dressing modestly" is subjective as fuck It seems like you understand it completely. And you're not even a woman. It's not as subjective as some like to pretend: if the clothes don't fit you and you're leaking out all over the place then it's probably not "dressing modestly." If you're showing off a lot of skin in a setting where it's not necessary it's probably not "dressing modestly." But only on a forum with a bunch of people who pull out the dictionary for every argument would someone need a 100% foolproof definition of the phrase. People know what "skimpy clothing" is, and they don't need Webster in their back pocket to define it. ChromaticAngel posted... "Boys will be boys. They make mistakes." Mulayam Singh Yadav, Indian politician commenting on a brutal rape-murder. Yes, we get it: you wrongly think anyone who disagrees with you is excusing rape. We've heard it. The weird thing about this conversation is that I completely hear your points of view. You think how a woman dresses has very little effect on whether or not she'll be sexually assaulted in any way, whether that be raped, kissed, groped, felt up, purposely brushed against, or anything in between. You think women should not be asked to be held responsible for how they present themselves in public. I disagree with you, but I hear what you're saying. On the other hand your side has taken every mild point I've made and tried to twist it into me making some extreme excuse for rapists, claimed sexism was at play, called me a victim blamer, or flat out lied and pretended I suggested that asking women to be careful was my only solution for curbing rape. It's bullshit, and it's weird to be hit with so many talking points and agenda-driven rhetoric that doesn't even address my concerns, when I'm being completely fair to your points. --- |
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