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LapisLazuli posted...

Also this is gonna be the third year in a row where Dan wants his happy cheery music in Best Music and is gonna get shut down.

Nobody but him is gonna fight for Odyssey there, lol.

To be serious though you're really underestimating Odyssey for music. Everyone loves it. That could easily be top three. It will be tight this year though.

Oh and if PUBG is ineligible which it likely will be based on all they've said, GOTY is looking like the unlikely match of Nier vs. Mario. Didn't see that one coming.
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Glory to Bradkind.
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I actually think they localised it excellently. It could have been so awful but they did it really well.
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I don't think it's especially controversial to declare 6-4 better than 1-1, 2-1 (or 2-3 if you prefer), 4-3, and 5-2.
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I liked it. Not a TOTAL filler case since it has some character development stuff. Treat it like a bonus case that could have been DLC but got included in the main game.

Still the weakest case in the game, but I'd argue it's the second best "worst case" after 3-1.
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It's less important now than it's ever been. However it's still nice to have.

The reason these things can be missing (Switch currently, launch PS4) is sometimes because they open up vulnerabilities to hacking.
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Got the deluxe edition of Wolfenstein. It's quite the saving on the season pass. I think that'll be it. I was eyeing up Night in the Woods, but that's not as steep a discount as I was hoping for.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I hate people pretending like they care about audio design

It literally makes Hellblade. And you don't have to be an audiophile to notice that.

I think it was wise that The Game Awards split audio and music this year.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Cuphead not even in the top 3 of best audio

Do people have brain damage or something

I mean I'm assuming audio encompasses music since there's no "best music" category

Well it's audio design, and it's tough to beat Hellblade or BotW in that. Or Persona 5 in music. Or Nier, which also didn't place, it was a stacked category.
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The LA Noire port is also really great, by the way.
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Here are the full top 3 results for each voted on category:

Best Storytelling:

3: Persona 5
2: Nier Automata
1: Horizon Zero Dawn

Best Visual Design:

3: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2: Horizon Zero Dawn
1: Cuphead

Best Audio:

3: Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice
2: Persona 5
1:The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

Best Performance:

3: Melina Juergens, Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice
2: Nathan Fillion, Destiny 2
1: Ashly Burch, Horizon Zero Dawn

Best Indie Game:

3: Dream Daddy
2: What Remains of Edith Finch
1: Friday the 13th

Best Multiplayer:

3: Splatoon 2
2: Battlefield 1
1: PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds

Studio of the Year:

3: Guerilla Games
2: Platinum
1: Nintendo EPD

Best VR Game:

3: Star Trek: Bridge Crew
2: SUPERHOT VR
1: Resident Evil 7: Biohazard

Esports Team of the Year:

3: Astralis
2: Team Liquid
1: Lunatic-Hai

Esports Game of the Year:

3: League of Legends
2: Rocket League
1: Overwatch

Best Streamer/Broadcaster:

3: Hannah Rutherford
2: Jack Septiceye
1: Markiplier

Handheld/Mobile Game of the Year:

3: Fire Emblem Heroes
2: Super Mario Run
1: Pokmon Sun and Moon

Playstation Game of the Year:

3: Persona 5
2: Nier Automata
1: Horizon Zero Dawn

Nintendo Game of the Year:

3: Pokmon Sun and Moon
2: Super Mario Odyssey
1: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

Xbox Game of the Year:

3: Forza Motorsport 7
2: Gears of War 4
1: Cuphead

PC Game of the Year:

3: Total War: Warhammer II
2: Dream Daddy
1: PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds

Breakthrough Award:

3: Melina Juergens
2: Game Grumps
1: Ashly Burch

Most Wanted:

3: Death Stranding
2: Red Dead Redemption 2
1: The Last of Us Part 2

Still Playing:

3: Diablo III
2: Overwatch
1: World of Tanks

Ultimate Game of the Year:

3: Persona 5
2: Horizon Zero Dawn
1: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

Kudos to the presenters for saying "Automata" correctly. Also for the Critics' Choice award they said this is the first year the winner won with an overwhelming majority.
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Top three for game of the year:

1: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2: Horizon: Zero Dawn
3: Persona 5

Good for Persona 5 given that it's publicly voted.
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Gerry Adams is stepping down as leader of Sinn Fin.

I mainly bring this up because it marks the end of a major European political party being led by an actual terrorist.
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The first (and second) of many many wins for BotW.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Holy shit, seriously?

If I didn't have an obligation to get in on the discourse, I would absolutely be waiting for the home release. The potential for an additional hour of cut content is absurd.

They cut out a THIRD of the movie??

Not really. Films are usually much, much longer during filming and trimmed into the final product during editing. The issue is WB mandating under 2 hours, which would cause problems. Is there a solid source on this though?
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To be fair, it wasn't just Brad. And DOOM is awesome.

It's just, best story? Come on...
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Oh god best story, that was awful. Vinny's amazing Zero Time Dilemma pitch winning everybody over only for him to give in to Alex and Firewatch because he's too nice. But the two never should have been facing off, because DOOM should not have been in that list, man.
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Espeon posted...

Why not probable?

I mean, Im looking at an article detailing the recent wave of de-verifications, and it seems targeted specifically at people who repeatedly tweet racist rhetoric. That theyre conservatives seems coincidental at best. Perhaps the real question should be why conservatism (through the words of its own supporters, not just a negative picture painted by liberals) is so heavily associated with bigoted beliefs in comparison to liberalism.

Because this kind of social "conservatism" is not actual conservatism, which is mainly concerned with stability and slow change. It is radicalism.

Many people who get painted as liberals are actually conservatives. The issue is in the US the term has been co-opted by the far right.
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http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html

A study in the British Medical Journal has found an increase in mortality of 120,000 people due to spending cuts in health and social care. Absolutely disgraceful.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Currently listening to last years deliberations because I'm doing a lot of driving.

Reminding me to brace myself for Brad BS.

Have you listened before? I don't remember Brad being bad last year. He even said it himself, he has calmed a lot after his 2014 Destiny war crime.
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Are we ranking the MCU for some reason?

Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy
Winter Soldier
Spider-Man Homecoming
Avengers
Doctor Strange
Thor Ragnarok
The First Avenger
Iron Man
Iron Man 3
Thor
Ant-Man
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Age of Ultron
Iron Man 2
Thor The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk

Now with all that said, let's be real. The best comic book movie released this year, by far, is The Death of Stalin. Incredible film.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Lopen posted...

Plenty of superhero movies have great storylines and editing

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight

That's literally it

Logan tho

Anyway, Justice League is coming in at a 51 on Metacritic. That's... alright. At least it should be better than BvS and Suicide Squad.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I think some form of the Bioware brand will remain for the foreseeable future... it has value.

respawn much less so

Yeah that's why I specified Edmonton. I think Austin will endue as long as The Old Republic does, though they might be rebranded at some point.

Shame about Respawn, Titanfall 2 was the best game EA had published in more than half a decade.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I mean my reasoning is more selfish in that I just care about single player experiences like Nier more than PUBG but it is undeniably a "Game of the Year" in that it completely dominated 2017. So it still has a right to win, just not one that I personally would want to see.

The issue is this is like saying Beauty and the Beast should win Best Picture.
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Yeah even when you account for Early Access, PUBG is a total mess in the technical sense. Ans the award mentions technical excellence. I really don't think it fulfills that!
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At least there's been a vocal and deserved outcry against PUBG being in these awards. If Zelda and Mario split the vote and it wins that would be a tragedy.

Also what the hell wins best music holy crap.

Nier Automata
Persona 5
Super Mario Odyssey
Cuphead

Any one of those four would win a weaker year.
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Reminder that PUBG got a GotY nomination instead of:

Divinity: Original Sin 2
Nier Automata
Wolfenstein II
Cuphead
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EA wants to cash in on the series while not building on the first two. You should compare Battlefront 2015 to the planned Battlefront 3. It is incredibly barebones compared to that.

Shame this is what the series turned into!
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http://opencritic.com/game/4507/star-wars-battlefront-2

Another disappointing Battlefront game? Well I never.
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I actually think SoJ has two top tier breakdowns, to the point where I am not sure which of the two you mean! I agree however, on average they are not the best.

Nanis23 posted...

Kotaku..UK? huh, I never knew it was a thing
Funny how it doesn't even appear on their main website

Pretty exciting news! it's not an official reveal or anything, but still good to know a new game is planned

Yeah they are functionally separate, it's a weird thing.
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Given that this is Capcom and Switch carts are relatively expensive, this will definitely be 60 physical. Hopefully cheaper digital like the last two.

LapisLazuli posted...

Was AA6 good? I loved 5. But something about 6 always seemed....off, so I never picked it up. Maybe the change in setting made it feel like it was a side game to me.

It's the best one they've ever done. My expectations were similar to yours but they really knocked it out the park. Only half the game is in the new setting, by the way.
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I might double dip when it's cheaper. It may be a compromise but it works and is worth it for portable DOOM.

ninkendo posted...

it is pretty interesting that most of the press treats it as a handheld and not a console

although I guess the gameplay stats support that as more people use it as a handheld too

MOST POWERFUL NINTENDO HANDHELD EVER

It's both, but it's mobile hardware. So for that it is very powerful.
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Domestic? Justice League. Even with Thor Ragnarok's impressive performance, JL will only need to slightly outgross BvS to top it.

Worldwide will be a lot closer I think. I disagree that the Thor movies aren't box office draws, they've typically been middle of the road for Marvel. Given that the current average for MCU films (that is, phase 3 films) is 880 million dollars, that average gross alone would top Batmam v Superman.
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While I'm happy that yes is winning, this poll is still cliser than I'd like.
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guffguy89 posted...

always is a lofty term. Was there one time in my entire life that I didn't? Probably. But 99% of the time I do. Since you said always though, I responded no.

I mean, if your sink is broken or you are out in the woods with no wipes, I think that doesn't count.
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Meow1000 posted...

Anyone who says no needs to seriously rethink their life.

I agree. But I ended up looking at some papers today and apparently only 40% of men and 60% of women do.

I have only ever seen this happen once, and I was horrified.
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Serious question, since I was looking up statistics on this today and was kind of mortified.
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Sounds like Destiny 2 may well miss the top ten at GOTY. I have no idea what 7-10 on that list will be.

Wolfenstein?
Night in the Woods?
Persona 5?
Horizon?
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The start of this new beastcast is something special.
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beavis666x2 posted...

Bye Miiverse

thor
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Sounds like it might be one of the worst major releases of the year. The real question is, can it go below Bubsy?
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PC
PS4
Switch
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Also it did 1.1 million in the US alone in 5 days. We could be seeing worldwide sales of 6-8 million before the year is out. And the last one sold less than a third of its current sales in the first two months.

pjbasis posted...

Hopefully the message Nintendo gets is if you make good games good things happen.

Didn't help the Wii U. It's more down to hardware, pacing of releases, and marketing really.

LusterSoldier posted...

Super Mario Odyssey selling this well is a surprise since 3D Mario games generally sell worse than 2D Mario games.

Not really true for the past couple. On 3DS and Wii U they were about the same.
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Well you only need to play for a bit to get the aesthetic. I actually think it gets worse towards the end too.
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Lightning Strikes posted...

Also it sounds dicey on whether PUBG will qualify, and it sounds like they've gone off it quite a bit.

Jeff has been very open about how meaningless a 1.0 is for a service game, how modern publications are slow to react to the games industry, and they streamed it 17 times over 5 months, the most recent of which was 1 month ago. what are you talking about.

Actually, Jeff has said outright that if it doesn't launch this year, it won't qualify, and they will start considering early access games from 2018. They don't want to change their rules for one game. It is dicey because if it launches after they record but in 2017 they won't know what to do. It would be interesting if it does qualify as it sounds like no longer a sure winner.

TVontheRadio posted...

i don't see hellblade, splatoon 2, botw, or sonic staying long in the conversation for best style

i really like hellblade, i think it's gorgeous, but i don't think its aesthetic fits what they typically consider as ssssssssssssssssssstylish

splatoon 2 gets knocked off simply because it's "more of the same"

botw i don't think got much talk for how it presents itself

sonic will also get cut for basically being "more sonic"

i definitely see nier getting more of a chance in the category than any of those games

i do see night in the woods and mario up there with persona 5 and cuphead. nidhogg 2 is also a very good candidate.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on Hellblade as I think that's definitely a top 3 contender. I more agree on the others besides BotW, it's just to illustrate how much competition there is. Every category is absurdly stacked this year because it's 2017. Except maybe best surprise, any suggestions?
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Nier Automata is an extremely stylish game and is absolutely in the conversation. But is it more stylish than:

Persona 5
Cuphead
Night in the Woods
Super Mario Odyssey
Hellblade
Splatoon 2
Breath of the Wild
Sonic Mania

And others?

Also it sounds dicey on whether PUBG will qualify, and it sounds like they've gone off it quite a bit. Get ready for Mario y'all.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

INCEPTlON posted...

Im ecstatic that Mario is even in contention considering how great Breath of the Wild was. Its nice to see Nintendo with a great release schedule again.

I love my Wii U, but it most definitely had huge gaps between major releases.

Do they have a great release schedule for 2018? Feels unimpressive at the moment.

Kirby Star Allies
Octopath Traveler
Runner3
Yoshi
Fire Emblem
Travis Strikes Again
Pokmon, which is currently slated for "2018 or later".

Not counting Metroid Prime 4 as that is likely 2019. Probably Pikmin 4 too, which they keep talking about but haven't formally announced yet. Also whatever Retro is working on, hopefully.

They have quite a lot given that this time last year they had exactly one 2017 release announced!

Anyway, I'd still just about go with BotW, but it's far closer than I thought it would be.
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KingButz posted...

Do those wolfenstein whiners actually exist outside of twitter troll accounts?

Don't go on the Steam forums.

Anyway there has been a tiny bit about it for CoD but nothing substantial.
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DeepsPraw posted...

I think Persona 5 is a no-show

Can't even win Best Style with Cuphead in the running

I think persona 5 has a good shot at taking best styyyyle, with Cuphead taking best looking. I also think Persona 5 will take best music. I know you might say Nier is the frontrunner but you'll never see it coming.

SgtSphynx posted...

Oh, and there are two moments in Wolf II that are strong contenders for best moment.

Oh this year is insane for best moment. There is a ton of stuff from Nier with Ending E probably being the frontrunner. I think Super Mario Odyssey has some big stuff in it that will qualify too.
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