Lurker > PerseusRad

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I already mentioned it, but I've been trying to work on the middle parts of the comic, but rewriting and redrawing for it is tough, though I should be able to push through. I took a break and messed around with eyes. The guide I'm trying to use isn't in English, so I kinda ended up giving up on following it exactly. Annoyingly, I feel that colorwise, the first attempt, the one on the right, is probably the best.

PerseusRad posted...

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For comparison's sake. I might need to adjust the showering part a bit more, to enhance the feeling. I feel like the closed eyes don't look as good. Also in the 2nd panel, the guy in the backgrounds far side arm looks better going own rather than being a bit below and straight. By the way, despite this being a later page, it doesn't mean I'm done. I skipped past a lot of the middle because it requires rewrites and possible very different looking panels, so I'm putting it off. As an aside, I'll probably want to make a color chapter cover at some point, the color thing I did above is perhaps something of a prototype.

Hambo posted...

And a guy with a prickly personality.

I think this one is my favorite lol, his friend doesn't seem too happy about it.

PerseusRad posted...

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Page 37, unless the count is off. I keep drawing her a bit differently each time, should probably try and get her consistent. Also the angle of the bedroom is probably way off from what it should be, but I think you get the picture. I didn't bother trying too hard for now.

Also I gotta practice drawing male heads, they just don't look right at all lol

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For comparison's sakeI really need to learn perspective, it would allow things to look much more interesting. 2nd panel and 3 panel in particular could benefit from it. 3rd panel will probably need more revisions, or at least should need them, who knows if I'll bother

Dont have anything I care to show. Making slow progress with the comic, its doubtful Ill get it done before the start of the new thread unless I go crazy

Homeless_Waifu posted...

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finally finished this drawing!

This might sound like a crazy small detail considering everything else, but I like how you managed to add the lip stick/gloss. I can never, ever make it look decent when trying it myself, the color is just off, or it ends up being too much. I think its sort of an underrated thing in terms of difficulty. So pulling it off well actually impresses me whenever I see it.

PerseusRad posted...

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You know, I really should've read my review on this page before I started to work on it again, cause I still very much agree that a third panel on the top (to indicate movement, would've been a good idea. I'm still not super happy with this page (and I forgot her mole). The lack of movement frame, for one, but also it seems tough for me to make it evident she's still hugging on the third panel, without making it look decidedly worse. Skill issues become apparent when you try to convey something, but run into trouble figuring out how to convey it properly.

Like, I do think it looks better, if only because more effort was put into things, but it feels like a marginal improvement. tbh, even though it's the point of the 2nd panel, I get the sense the face is a bit too offmodel in the 2nd panel. Also using screentone means I'm a lot lazier with the dark hair than I am with the white hair, which I feel it also evident in the 2nd panel, at the very least. I should probably keep that more in mind. (I haven't mentioned it in a while, but this still reads right to left.)

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Alright so best to ask now, should I make a new topic as soon as this one dies? I originally thought I wouldn't make another topic until October, but activity has been fairly consistent, so I'm willing to make another thread (or if someone else wants to make the thread, that's fine. Either way, the @ 's in the OP should be changed based on activity.

Ive started working on corrections for the comic again. Its funny to see just how much more quality I can draw some things when putting full effort in it.

Is that a Mankey? Its cute.

Pororin posted...

What kind of pens, pororin wanted to know

It says S-Gel Sharpie

i've got a bad habit of buying pens that dry up even when not in use, unless they're just always this bad

I dont really have much excuse for my lack of drawing, nothing much is coming to mind. But if thats the case, I should just work on completing the comic.

Yugioh characters and monsters seem like theyd be something Id like to draw, but they feel so intimidating to make look even decent, so Im really impressed how good you made Yubel look.

So I did finish the thing I was working on, well, its good enough. Better than my average work I think, but the pure lineart has some of the classic issues of going from sketch to lineart, so it goes.

Oh yeah for the record Pika, I really like your gradient-like shading on Venonat, it really adds to it.

I've still been working on stuff, but instead of it not being worth posting... I probably shouldn't post it in general. Besides, it needs more work.

Edit: By the way Pororin, it's very much appreciated how you're helping keep things bumped, thank you.

bump, I haven't been commenting on anything, but I've been enjoying what people are doing. Have mostly been doing some small things, nothing much worth posting.

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I was having trouble nailing down a design, mostly hair, for something next chapter (if I draw it), but I might go with something like this. I wanted something that had a cool feeling, without being obnoxious (to look at or draw) and this seems to do decent.

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Trying to apply a few things I've been semi-learning, I really ought to keep reading

I really need to get better at not having the hair stick out too much to the side. Even if I draw the face itself fine, the hair at the side doubles the size of the head by itself, I don't think I mess up the height very much, or at least not as badly. I've always noticed I had poor control over horizontal hair, just haven't worked on fixing it. When I try to copy things I see, I never seem to be able to do it quite right in that regard.

Oh I really like that one.

As an aside, I started to read Fashion Illustration by Kiper

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Eh, I wasn't gonna post it, but screw it, I don't think I'll work on it anymore, so might as well put what I've got for future reference. The multiple reflective surfaces aren't something I'm good with, feels a bit too tough for me. If you zoom out enough, it almost looks decent though.

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Considering the complexity of the actual armor, it's a bit doubtful I'll go all out for this, but it's possible I'll try additional rendering at a later point. Most of the previous things I've done today don't feel like they'd benefit from it as they are.

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Personally Ive always sucked with curves and the like, so you nailing the tails is impressive imo

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tried to make it a bit better, I should probably go over coloring/shading stuff again

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PerseusRad posted...

okay i think digital drawing is done for for me, temporarily, maybe it'll be good for me to do physical, maybe

Despite saying this, it just decided to stop refusing to work for me, I managed to get 3 pages probably close to the final draft stage. It's a bit annoying, cause I feel like none of them really match up to the panel of Lily being half asleep which I posted a while ago, but maybe that's fine? At the very least, I shouldn't keep myself bottlenecked with this project forever, while I'm doing other stuff, it's just kinda, omnipresent, watching me over my shoulder. I'll never be truly satisfied with it, so best I get it done, so I can post it, and it can likely be forgotten by everyone except me.

okay i think digital drawing is done for for me, temporarily, maybe it'll be good for me to do physical, maybe

Your Nido drawings, particularly Nidoking, are really solid I feel. Considering I dont know what Saltburn is, its definitely a strange crossover, but I like how his personality is coming through.

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Ive been having more and more issues with my tablet, so even when I feel like drawing, by the time Ive finally got the issue settled, my motivation is dead. Drew this as a quick test thing, I could do more with this character, but it depends on how willing I am to study the right perspective.

It's pretty good, actually. I forget, did I tell you about the thing where you put the reference photo upside down, and how it usually helps you to copy it better? Like, it disassociates your brain from the whole thing, and allows you to focus on how lines are actually done, instead of your brain filling in the gaps automatically.

Also I've been drawing, but I'm not particularly pleased with how things have come out. Might have to just move on and accept I'm not gonna be happy with a lot, but I suppose I 'could' try redrawing in a more interesting angle than what is currently there. One of my major bottlenecks was the page where it showed different parts of the room, I just couldn't get the motivation.

i'll probably try to get a page up to snuff

I like that quite a bit, cool seeing how you add more details.

Ive been both trying to figure out how to make something look better, and also have been really tired, so nothing to really show at the moment.

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So I have been working a bit on remastering pages, these are what I've done. I'm not particularly happy with the first page, and for the second, I (clearly) need to go over the first two panels again, though I'm wondering if a more sketchy style is a good idea for the pitch dark panels. But even so, they feel a bit awkward. Also I really hate doing the details in hair, I'm just so bad at it , and I know they don't look right.

Besides the nitpicks I have, I'm curious if you all think this level of art is 'good enough' for a finished product, or at least finished for what it is.

By 2, I meant Terras.

Keyblades are cool, tbh though, I feel like a lot of the transformations from 3 werent that cool, at least compared to everything that was shown in KH2.

I definitely missed it, but I like what you posted. Despite relatively little detail, I can still feel the 'form' of the dress, which I feel like I'm terrible at capturing, if I did more poses that were less static, I'd more quickly learn how to do it myself.

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So I sketched out the room layout. Removed the random box, added a closet, and I also added a desk. While the room was meant to be sparse, a nearly empty desk with like one paper on it still captures that feeling. Also added a bump into the wall cause I realized since it's an apartment, having a closet would be weird with a perfectly square layout. The inside of the closet should probably be bigger, but it's not meant to be seen anyway. Hopefully having this means I can have the slightest bit more interesting looking backgrounds.

I really like how contorted his body is, feels really appropriate for him.

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Page 39, tentative final page, will probably have to get the perspective better, but maybe I can cheat it a bit.

I have some notes for myself, I think I mentioned it before, but on the off-chance any of you have anything to say about it, by all means. So:

• From about page 16 on, I need to establish better what actually happened, for one, when they were attacked, what exactly happened? Could be obvious, but they were bombed.
• I think asking/answering the question "how did they survive?" is important. Aloe was late getting back, since she's a newbie. Lily ended up unconscious in the one section that wasn't completely destroyed (and was sealed), and that's a good enough answer for what Aloe would ask.
• I brought it up before, but I didn't like very much how I did some of the conversation about 'what to do next'. Lily is meant to feel more put together than anyone else, when she's around people, with Aloe dropping her guard only around Lily, but they felt too much like equals, which is a matter of me not trying very hard to get their differences across.
• In that sense, it's possible that I should move part of that conversation to the next chapter (which sounds exhausting to think about, but hey, maybe I'd do it faster, if I do it at all). But I do think it's important to establish that Lily has eased up from the old days, I don't think I could do that very well with what's in my head for what's next.
• By the way, I'm definitely gonna have to redraw pretty much everything lol, and probably revamp a ton of panel layouts, beside I switched to different gutter sizes. And also the faces are pretty wonky in earlier pages (well, in later ones too), even in ones where I think I might have been trying. I feel like I might have been improving in the last stretch, slightly.

Anyway, for how long it's been going, not very much to it, but that's fine. Completing something, even something amateurish and short, is the really important thing. I might start from page 4 or so, because the intro pages probably need to be revamped in a different way than the others.

Edit: more like page 7, not page 4

royic posted...

Proko has a good quick video on Loomis

I appreciate the video. I remember I actually tried out Loomis a while back. Its useful for sure, and I probably should try using it more, especially for difficult angles. Ill probably give it a watch, but chances are my main issue is just that Im not looking closely enough, honestly. Ive done a bit of practice and made it a bit more consistent. If I ever do a chapter 2, Ill have to draw it quite a bit.

Distractions happen, I know that very well lol. Hopefully I can ensure this topic is up, whenever you feel up to it.

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I hate limb perspective... I had to copy and paste something and draw over it to make it look decent, and I kinda screwed it anyway lol.

Edit: Also I changed the design of the guy's outfit pretty drastically, it's a more interesting look I feel.

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Page 37, unless the count is off. I keep drawing her a bit differently each time, should probably try and get her consistent. Also the angle of the bedroom is probably way off from what it should be, but I think you get the picture. I didn't bother trying too hard for now.

Also I gotta practice drawing male heads, they just don't look right at all lol

Ill go ahead and bump this now. I think I said only a few pages left a few pages ago, but it should really be only a few left now.

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So honestly, I'm more and more liking the idea of the MC intentionally using no extra shading/screentone (maybe a little bit). The issue is, the backgrounds can't be super blank all the time, in that case, or else there's not as much contrast. And without contrast, it would feel a bit dumb. I should probably add more tendrils to the top panel around the middle, the reference I was using for it, didn't, but it feels a bit empty as-is.

Also for last post's image, I realize having arm over arm makes way more sense lol, not sure why I changed it. I feel like I could make that one decently better just by implementing a few changes... well I guess I'll see how I feel. Might not be worth it.

Makes sense, you've been doing all Kanto, so going for more of an original feel, feels right.

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I still am not great at knowing 'where' to put the detail in, it's evident the shoes, clothes, and kinda hair are all lower detail than the rest, I just hesitate to add more, because it could just make things look way worse.

I very much appreciate everyone who's helped contribute and keep this thread bumped, I'll always love seeing all of your works and improvements. Truth be told, if I'm improving personally, it's hard to tell. Inktober, I was kinda forcing myself. November and what little I've done in December, has basically been dedicated to drafts, where I can't allow myself to focus too much on quality, lest I get no work done at all. I've realized I haven't done a full work in quite a while... and I still haven't, but I made a quick mockup, at least. I feel like this could become something, but now I'm in my head of whether it's worth it to try and do a whole thing.

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Umineko spoilers, for the record

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To be completely transparent, I pretty much completely ripped this page layout off, I was looking for inspiration, and found it. Considering I kinda sped through this bit, I'll likely have to change it anyway, but it gives me ideas for the future. I'll post the "inspiration" next post, it's not saved on my PC.

Edit: Oh yeah, just because I like to mention it every time, this one also wasnt meant to look exactly like the full product, the first and third panels, especially, look off, but considering what I said before, not a huge deal.

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I think it's a good habit to have, shading things in. Even if only subconsciously, it starts to help you think about colors, values, etc.

And speaking of, Hambo used those to great effect for what he posted.

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I think I've gotten too used to doing very unfinished pages. Doesn't hurt. Better to have them somewhat done, then not at all. Arguably, the best way to do things is to write a script ahead of time, then doing extremely rough layouts, I just have a hard time working that way. I should really try to get at least one more page before the end of the year, going lax for a while killed any productivity I had, even if it was for good reason.

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Lot of white space near the top, probably should try to include something there. I really wasn't in the mood to do the 2nd to last panel, especially since the third panel definitely feels like I screwed up the proportions, so I thought I'd rather get down an approximation, since I'll definitely have to get the proportions correct and fixed later anyway. I feel like the dialogue is skipping some steps, probably because I can't (or at least, am not) casually drawing it, so I want to get through everything, but that leaves it feeling a bit awkwardly paced. Might have to live with it, though, I mostly just want to have finished 'something', even if that something has 100 more flaws than I'll be able to see myself, when completed.

I was working then my tablet did it's thing, so I'll just bump now to make sure. I got a quote on what the repair cost would be... it would be more worth it to buy a new one, I feel.