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mystic_belmont posted...

Well do you know what happens when a country doesn't have a military? They stop being a country.

LMAO

a. this doesn't make sense

b. our current political concept of country is bs anyway

like, if some comes up to me and is like, "ya the military is evil but it was the only thing I can do for a career/livelihood" then I can empathize with them being a cog in our capitalist hell machine

But to ACTUALLY defend the military is another story

our bloodthirst and need to exploit poor countries is a cancer

we can literally end world hunger with our military budget

LMFAO @ u defending the worst part of America

mystic_belmont posted...

Maybe I'm less concerned about animal rights and more concerned about healthy eating.

Perhaps I'm poor and need a decent paycheck/direction.

You have no rebuttal in regards to how someone in the military can be vegan.

Maybe the good argument is that it's nigh impossible to eat vegan when you have a limited menu of what you can eat (ala military or food desert).

Thanks for pointing out that you don't actually care about people going vegan.

if I had a genie give me the option to get rid of the world's militaries or get rid of animal farming I'd gut the militaries easily

our military industrial complex is leaps and bounds more disgusting than animal farming

I mean signing your life+agency away for Haliburton/black rock war profiteers doesn't give u much leeway wrt literally anything about your life.

like SURELY anyone can see the hypocrisy of worrying about animal rights when the US military has no regard for basic human rights

it's insane the us propaganda machine has brainwashed people to this extent

to the people who think communism is toxic: why?

like if you're a part of the military not being vegetarian is on the bottom of the totem pole of crimes against humanity LMFAO

mystic_belmont posted...

TC, Let's say that I am forward deployed and have the below listed MREs available to consume, which ones are vegan?

https://www.dla.mil/Portals/104/Documents/TroopSupport/Subsistence/Rations/MRE/MRE43_Menu.pdf

No one cares about enlisting in some fascist regime to blow up poor countries for oil

like.... HELLO??

Guide posted...

Nothing you said here is an actual counter to anything I said. They're not mutually exclusive statements.

I'm gonna refrain from saying anything bcus I just got warned

but PLEASE think before posting

it is INSANE to think plant agriculture is anywhere near as expensive and devastating as animal agriculture

Literally everything I said is a counter and u made the same dumb argument that people have made earlier in the topic

dioxxys posted...

I'm sure there's lots you can do with it but it's still very limiting and you need to buy expensive alternative ingredients. For example you said butter noodles but said vegan

vegan butter is the same price of dairy butter

Zikten posted...

Supposedly we are intelligent because of meat. Our brains developed in response to eating meat. They became more and more advanced, so we could be smarter and more easily obtain the meat

This is simply not true, if anything the act of cooking itself allowed us to take in more calories to help us develop

andel posted...

imagine admitting to being a republican or a communist lmao you just don't make good choices and seem unable to understand what toxic ideology looks like

how is communism a toxic ideology LMFAO

what a braindead take

in my area we have a letter carrier and a separate usps person shows up way later with packages

dioxxys posted...

Don't see anything wrong with vegetarianism or veganism but I personally prefer friends and lovers who are omnivores because I'm a chef and I love to cook for people I like and vegans are especially hard to cook for.

But these kind of people are also hard to cook for. Can't stand when somebody tries picking out the vegetables.

I make some of the best food and when you've made a gorgeous chicken and cheese quesadilla but the girl you invited over "doesn't eat corn even though theres barely 1 cup of it for 3lbs of meat.

I've been hella lazy lately but vegan cooking is p fun

I've done tofu a bunch of different ways and it's crazy versatile depending on how you prepare it

I've been doing hella stir fries and garlic butter noodles

protip: record them harassing you about potty time and lawyer up

Mike_Stanton posted...

Surely you can rub two braincells together to figure out that a natural ecosystem creates a problem for your vegetarian utopia. Some animals need meat to survive, but in order for their prey to survive they need to not be eaten. At some point, some animals have to die in order for others to survive.

u don't even comprehend what I'm saying here

you're lesbian?

*topic list*

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going to farmers markets is prolly the best case scenario

even stuff like vita farms that supposedly gives chickens actual free range still participates in male chick culling

Dark_Arbron posted...

Whatever we decide. We developed them via evolution, not "given" (blessed with) them. They don't have to inherently mean something. In the end, everything is 1s and 0s.

black and white thinking is very prevalent in people with autism

like the very concept of human empathy proves U wrong

Krojen posted...

I like this one.

No one else responded to this

Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...

That the body does need something more than just normal plant stuff, and that processed meat substitutes are less healthy than more unprocessed forms of meat or eggs.

You do not need to eat meat every day like those food pyramid nutcases think. And well, you can really substitute eggs for meat if your reasons for being vegan have to do with killing animals (making sure the eggs come from a good source, or to be safe, even your own chickens so that you KNOW they are treated alright if you don't take the word of companies that claim to be selling free range eggs, etc).

Ya im not inherently against egg consumption, factory farmed eggs still come from chickens in inhumane conditions and it also has the byproduct effect of the culling of male chicks

altho it's entirely possible to get 'humane' eggs

if I didn't live in a city I'd have a lil quail coop tho

Cocytus posted...

Been like that all your life?

It's been over a year at this point, I've always felt bad about it but only recently decided to do something different

Cocytus posted...

@Lanzol are you vegetarian or vegan?

vegetarian, I only cook vegan and try to eat vegan when I go out but options are limited + vegan tax is insane

The_Apologist posted...

"And doesn't essentially require suffering"

murder is suffering

factory farming is suffering

ArtiRock posted...

The food industry in general is really bad with its production. That's the point here.

Your argument doesn't make sense here, because what you're doing is like complaining about the frostbite, and amputating your toe but refusing to move out of the cold.

food industry being bad is a byproduct of capitalism and has no bearing on murder/vegan arguments

The_Apologist posted...

Unlike (most) other animals, humans have future-directed interests that are defeated by killing them. Human well-being involves many complex factors. This is why killing humans is morally worse than killing other animals, whose well-being is simply a matter of immediate pleasure and pain.

Just a verbose "hurrr meet taste gud"

mystic_belmont posted...

You have a problem killing animals for food, but have no problem killing plants for food.

I eat meat because a) the human body evolved to consume both flora and fauna, that it's difficult to get B12 from a strictly plant based diet, and I enjoy eating meat.

There is also the fact that certain animals have been bred to be farm animals. Just like if you don't shear a sheep, that it can die, certain animals are incapable of living on their own.

the human body evolved to do a LOT of things yet u just post on gamefaqs lmao

plants != animals

Just bcuz they react to stimuli it doesn't mean they have sentience

It's a bad faith argument

it doesn't even make sense if was a good faith argument bcuz animal agriculture STILL causes a metric shit ton of plant death

ArtiRock posted...

But we still fuck up land for even plant spaces. It's really bad in general.

I don't get your argument

it's like getting frostbite on your toes and instead of just amputating the toe u amputate the whole leg

royic posted...

because we don't care how unintelligent life that we don't have an emotional connection to is treated

a lot of farm animals have high levels of intelligence, emotional capability, sentience etc

The_Apologist posted...

The killing itself isn't bad. Suffering is what's bad. So if we kill animals without letting them suffer, there's no problem.

so why not factory farm humans if killing itself isn't bad?

mystic_belmont posted...

I have no problem with killing animals for meat.

so what is your actual argument here?

just a false equivolancy bcuz u have no argument beyond 'hurrr meet taste gud'?

ArtiRock posted...

Because this catastrophic farming is for both meat and non meat.

not in the slightest no

animal farming only makes up like 18% of our total calories (nationally) and uses up 80% of our farmland

non-animal farming uses significantly less of every resource and doesn't have nearly the same effect of greenhouse gases

mystic_belmont posted...

You seem okay with murdering plants. Why is that?

so it's okay to murder plants to murder animals?

Mike_Stanton posted...

If eating meat is so immoral then how do you deal with the paradox of some animals who only have meat-based diets? Those animals need to eat meat to survive, but their prey needs to not be eaten in order to survive. At some point, some animals are going to have to be eaten by others, and that's just a fact. So with that said, if you can't avoid the reality of animals eating other animals then why go out of your way to try?

surely u can rub 2 braincells together to figure out that a natural ecosystem is on a different stage than our catastrophic factory farming

chickens are gross and are kept in even more disgusting living conditions

literal poison

royic posted...

dietary preference is a good enough argument

U sound like those edge lords who wouldn't see anything wrong with farming humans for meat

Cocytus posted...

So you're saying there are too many animals...and we could spare some...

>destroy ecosystems and ruin native populations
>factory farm more animals

'hurrr we gotta kill more animals!!!'

Cocytus posted...

How do you know? Besides, it's still alive.

multiple studies done

regardless, even agreeing to this bs premise that plants are "sentient"

"meat farming causes an order of magnitude greater of plant deaths"

a lot of "animal farm land" came from destroying whatever ecosystem that was there first

is that literally your argument?

destroy the ecosystem for murder?

I wish I had a gun

gonna get my first handgun in a couple months

I've been eyeing the cz75

Cocytus posted...

PETP= People for the ethical treatment of plants.

If a cow had a chance he'd murder you and your whole family.

literal braindead argument

a. meat farming causes an order of magnitude greater of plant deaths

b. cows are pretty benevolent, are shown to have a pretty high level of sentience, empathy, have good memories etc

plants are not sentient life forms

Bass_X0 posted...

I was born into a body from a species of animal that is designed to be an omnivore.

you were "designed" to do a lot of things yet u just post on gamefaqs lol

Guide posted...

Cause, on a mass scale, it is untenable as an ethical food source. You have to have a certain degree of privilege to even get ethically sourced veggies on a reliable and affordable basis.

lol if u actually believe this

meat farming is exponentially more exploitative than any sort of vegetable farming

Just thru basic physics/law of thermodynamics you'll require way more energy to farm animals bcuz U have to farm their feed and then farm them on top of it

meat farming is so unsustainable that the US govt subsidizes a huge portion of it

even a large percentage of subsidized corn is used for animal feed

Sariana21 posted...

Vitamin B12. Its difficult to get enough without meat and supplements arent necessarily vegetarian. Also people with certain conditions. My son has a faulty MTRFR gene, and its difficult to find vegetarian sources of L-methyl folate.

None of this is impossible, just not easy and sometimes expensive.

This is actually why I said vegetarian and not vegan

altho there are vegan sources of both, it's def easier to eat like yogurt and eggs

I'm not opposed to dairy consumption inherently because for a lot of people they really depend on it, and I feel like we can have humane ways of harvesting eggs and milk, it's just that 99% of the time it's completely awful

Avirosb posted...

Not enough arable land?
Would have to kill more plant eaters to prevent damage on crops.

LOL I don't even know where to begin

humans=need crops
farm animals= need a LOT more crops

when human eat animal many many crops needed much more crops than if human just eat plants

mystic_belmont posted...

The human body has evolved to consume both plants and animals, flora and fauna.

the human body has evolved to kill and murder, does that make it okay?

Compsognathus posted...

The most notable would be that whatever your reason for being a vegetarian, you are likely half-assing it by not just going full vegan.

Which as a vegetarian...isn't incorrect. One of the reasons I am a vegetarian is the environmental harms caused by the meat industry, but the dairy industry isn't much better...but I just like cheese, butter, and ice cream enough look past it. The same applies to things like animal cruelty.

I'm kinda in the same boat, at home I don't buy cheese and use avocado oil-based butter so I'm fully vegan when cooking at home but when I go out to eat it's rly hard to find good vegan options so I usually just deal with it

protip they've always been fascist

beyond "hurrrr meet taste gud"

not gonna be so rough once once mitsuki Yukis sweet pure voice is whispering in my ear

god I'm so lonely

Damn_Underscore posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/5/2/AAMkx7AAE0C4.jpg

ya rly