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EDumey posted...

No. I was in the camp of being the one fool in the game that believe Ulti was actually BP and that scum shot him, so I didn't think Ulti was a legitimate target to be killed last night.

I definitely think Ulti saved JC the previous night rather than scum choosing to no kill.
Night 1 is tough to determine if they shot Crescent or shot Death for Ctes to claim. I am definitely not ruling out Ctes, and still think he could be scum.

Obellisk posted...

As a hologram you also have a 1 use bulletproof that works the same way as your own Doc Save, this will damage your holo-emitter and you will be susceptible to any future killing action

What? So you don't think the no kill or night 1 was breaking his holo-emitter?

##vote:Dumey

EDumey posted...

And Sultan AFK not at deadline. Isn't that interesting?

I probably would have still ended on walls Here. I did not see the Han argument yesterday and yall didn't wanna consider Ctes for some reason.

EDumey posted...

Sultan. Please read the rest of the post. I explicitly explain why I thought Ulti wasn't going to be targetted. Hence why I was asking about who in the rest of the game would be.

So you were I the camp that Ulti made the save both nights and Ctes is town then?

EDumey posted...

So yes, there is value in thinking, "Sultan seems to be one of the people the least in Town's line of fire, and so is dangerous to scum to leave around if he's Town, and would be a likely kill. So him NOT dying is a point against him."

Weird argument since kills have been the doctor and the Cop...

Dumey are you scum?

PunishedBen posted...

Don't forget Lea exists.

And there is nothing preventing Dumey's role from being scum neighborizer. Except that I will reiterate he is the THIRD suspect. I don't know that he can be scum and Lea be town. That would require an extremely risky play.

Hmm yeah that's true can't forget Dumey and Lea.

Outta the 4 what you thinking Ben?

Them 2 are litterally the POE I think.

Did Ctes roleblock anyone??

Also that Jack doesn't make much sense as town.

Well Walls good job for your first game I think you did pretty well come play again. You were the POE that made sense not to mention some of the thoughts didn't quite add up but hey good job sorry about not moving off.

Anyways.

Han v Ctes seems like what we got today id imagine

I'll give it a shot

People there wouldn't understand me lol

Save thee topic

Maybe I just can't read Han but man i don't see it.

Points win walls favor
1. Strong day 1 and day 2
2 . Scanned to not have moved.

Points in ctes favor
1. Death being the only kill day 1(could also be a point against him. Scum could have just shot death)
2. The bus driver going the way it did.

I think ctes or walls is where I'm at today.

Them being scum scum though I doubt it.
Unless they have been busing each other all day.

Chaeix posted...

to what end though?

like what does seeing what sultan do help you understand or accomplish? Were you trying to get Ulti lynched? Were you curious about sultan? Walk me through this

I think he was arguing Me v Ulti was scum theater at the time

PunishedBen posted...

Oh dont forget that Wallz was scanned as not moving. That is worth something in my book

That's the one thing that's getting me.. though scum having a ninja would be interesting with this set up but man 2 roles to fuck with JC just seems mean..

Or he could have not moved or did something passive?

Chaeix posted...

Not my point - but I made a typo which I have now corrected. The point is it looks like he was trying to move your vote off Chris and onto Ulti - softly protecting Chris before Han and Crescent had voted

I know what you ment I was just saying why I wasn't going to move it off but I do see what you're saying

Chaeix posted...

so looking back at d1 I noticed this post right before the end of the day

this is an extremely strange post. Wallz changed to Ulti last minute, despite nobody but Sultan having interest (low impact vote) and then it makes it seem like he was trying to bait Sultan onto voting Ulti - and who was Ulti on? Chris

Correct Ulti went back to Chris. My main frustration was ulti backed down when Chris asked him too

Also it want even bolded lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

Haha nice.

Uncountered protection. Try again.

You realize it says note, yes?

This reaction is very arrogant though

Also the real question how many times this game will Ben post in the wrong topic

##note:Ulti

wallmasterz posted...

I struggle with a game where scum seemingly has no night actions other than a single unblockable so far

Well the could have but just haven't been caught I suppose. Like if Han is scum or if Lea is scum or if BenCT is scum or if you are a ninja.
I dont really like this argument at all actually.

All these Vanilla claims that haven't been proven. Yeah Ctes could be lying, JC could be Lying about being town. Both of them idk about thst though alot would have to add up for both of then to be scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I wonder what it means that me engaging with Wall had everyone acting like it didn't happen, but me engaging with Han sure got everyone awake.

I thought I was around for this and just told Han to go take a look at this. Wall today hasn't look as good as Wall the last 2 days.

Topic 9 372 to like 388 area Wallz and my interactions this morning.

I chalked up the ine part of saying I have the privilege of knowing I'm not town as a typo but everything else reads in an area of knowing to much

As for Walls ill go grab those few posts

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sultan, can you elucidate on potential slips from Wall?

I don't find your unease at Ctes for not claiming upfront an issue, BUT I don't think it's fair to attribute Isquen's lynch to him not full claiming.

I wasn't fully baliming it on him no I was just saying it could have changed prospective a bit

I guess my question is how much weight do I put in the potential scum slips Wallz made this morning. I thought walls looked pretty good going into today and he has made some floundering posts today.

Does my thoughts on Ctes being scum stoll ring true. I do find it odd he let us go on a wild goose chase looming for free Redirector when it was him and we mislyched Isquen beacuse we were looking in the vanilla... like he could maybe have prevented that mislynch maybe not but I feel like with holding the information was a bit detrimental to town and he wasn't even going to claim it today until pressured and that is also anti town. It was a 1 use so he says so why not just claim it from the get go??.

EDumey posted...

I can't help shake the feeling that Wallz was told he was targetting too much town power on his scum board and slipped. But surely a tired man wouldn't make two slips in a row like that, right? >_>

It was about your style of play. I remember specifically you getting frustrated with Crescent calling you out, but I had just made a post about it too. That normally I was used to you finding a decent recent to not like someone, then tunneling and digging in on that person. But instead you were kind of all over the place, throwing suspicion at anything that moved, then when people told you you were mistaken, just backing off and immediately jumping at the next thing. It reminded me that Chris had called you out for not being as "ankle biting" as you used to be, and it felt like you were trying to bite ankles to correct that.

Mostly it can be attributed to, "The last two games with Sultan I played where everyone easily town cleared him based on his play alone is not the same as the Sultan in this game."

So youre saying trying to solve the game and dig into different reads is scummy Dumey?

Oh boy... putting some pressure on reads is litterally the whole point of Mafia is it not?

Oh day 2. What about my day 2?

EDumey posted...

It's less "How dare you" and more, "Interesting that the two people I've stated I want dead for three days now are defending each other."

Also Sultan, you've made a couple comments about people only disliking you for your claim but that's not entirely true. Several people made comments about your play D2 which you got frustrated about if you remember. At that time we (Or I at the very least) were willing to give it a pass because of your interaction with Chris. Ben is apparently trying to clear your name by going through and listing all your interactions with Chris D1, which I am taking into account. But the thing I'm wrestling in my head regarding you is whether or not Chris actually was trying to get you lynched D1 or just setting up a bus for later.

What about my day 2 did you not like? That I didn't want to join in on lynching Isquen and was pushing other alternatives?

I like and dislike this last post by Dumey..
Part of it reads "what do you mean you don't agree with me and my POE list. How dare you think differently than me"

But the other part seems more like but huh why do you think differently than me.

PunishedBen posted...

Chris asks Han some questions, and Han says they aren't good questions. Chris votes Han for being grumpy.

SirChris posted...
##vote: han

you feel grumpy. I don't like it. Be less grumpy or die in obscurity tbh

So Chris strikes first. But not for a reason that will actually damage Han's place in the game at all. All of his prior votes had deeper arguments behind them than t

But do you think this is a bus? This is actually an interesting find

wallmasterz posted...

If jc is town, I dont know how redirect works but if scum was redirecting an action away from a target, it makes bct/Ben look super suspicious.

if jc is scum, it makes bct/Ben look a lot more town because jc saying hey I scanned bct and got redirected to ulti suggests the possibility scum was trying to protect bct/Ben.

I can't remember if it was all actions going to BCT are now going to ulti or if he said all actions by JC are now going to Ulti either way.

wallmasterz posted...

Math again JC got redirected so that is odd if jc ctes are scum scum.

If jc is scum the idea is he lied about being redirected.

Well that or did ao to make it look like he was always but that's a bit to bank on. Why lie though if scum like wouldn't you want to be like yeah I scanned sos and so they moved ot they didn't move. Honestly if scum as kc I would have probably been like yeah BCT is confirmed town now he didn't move and pocketed BCT the rest of the game but that's just me.

The lie would be weird but I guess there is a small possibility they tried to use that to confirm JC before last night I suppose

wallmasterz posted...

Im talking about n1. I am saying jc could be scum even if ctes is town. Its unlikely, but if ctes is town then scum targeted crescent, which means they suspected her as town power. Again, I was saying its highly highly unlikely scum scan and attempt to kill the same target, but its not impossible.

Well day 1 doesn't really matter without last night. So im still a bit concerned over this argument so doing the math here.

Night 1 scum would have had to shot at Creasent and scan her. Scum just scanning her and shooting elsewhere is very plausible. Shooting death people were saying is dumb of scum to do but really was it? Death is a really good player and if people don't think that they should think again. And plus doc would never guess a shot on Death.

Math again JC got redirected so that is odd if jc ctes are scum scum.

3rd for JC to be scum again Scum would have shot Ulti and knew he was BP and that being confirmed now to consider this as an option st this point like having the knowledge JC was not actually shot at.

Unless Ctes and JC are master classing this together as scum the chances of both being Scum is very low

I'd hope this is an oversite here but could this be a scum slip my Wallz here? Like this seems to count on absolutely knowing that Ulti was shot and he is legit BP..

##vote:Wallz

hopefully there is a good explanation to this

wallmasterz posted...

Jc isnt confirmed town. If ctes is scum then jc almost certainly is. And its very unlikely but not impossible scum would target and scan the same person to town clear their scanner

um wouldn't this also rely on knowing Ulti was shot and he didn't actually save JC?

You know it's interesting we had to most activity today when Ctes was under some pressure. I feel so many people just let him off the hook..

Looking at Dumey and walls over Ctes? People want me beacuse of only my claim which is just bad, if jc wasn't confirmed town I'd look his way.. he hasn't even considered my play just oh well I can't scan you so i guess we just lynch you beacuse we can't get more info. This is just bad logic and kind of anti town

Now does Ben does all this supporting of me as scum while being on my POE? IDK but Ben is doing alot of work in this re read.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

To answer you, Ben, I thought BCT was Town, yes.
I agree that I think Sultan is Town (though wait until you see how hard he turns on BCT).

To answer you, Lea, and the question you never asked, I saw Tootsie.

To be fair the BCT Turn is majorly based. On that reaction to the Being scanned thing and that not adding up with the vanilla claim is that so wrong?!

PunishedBen posted...

I remember reading this and thinking Wallz was a power role that was easily confirmable. In hindsight of him claiming vanilla, its kinda weird.

I chalked it up as being new but he definitely more experience looking for a new guy maybe All this time Walls ha seen hussein' us

wallmasterz posted...

Ive been thinking a lot about this. If we really have a bp doctor and ctes is town Jack, scum has to have some powerful s*** up their sleeve to counter.

Or ctes is just not town.

Man I wish I could find who made thar comment it is so snarky and funny Chris flipped scum.

Also looking back idk if it was him or someone else. But they said I was playing a bad game by looking at Chris. I wish I could find who said it I want to say it was ctes but I can't find it for sure to confirm it.

Like I said he was also buddying up to Chris a bit day 1 as well.

So one thing about looking at ctes from day 1. He spent majority of the day being really isoed into wanting to lynch Sheep beacuse of his claim, and not even really the claim itself but kept making conserpricy theories about Sheep wanting to claim in the first post when Sheep pointed out it was a gambit/joke. I think ctes went way to into this. I don't see any other reads from ctes. I mentioned it day 1 and I think I can see it again looking back day 1. Ctes really tried hard to make himself useful with out really doing anything

Also am I really on the table only beacuse of my claim??

Psh yall got me worried for nothing lmao

I'm not sure where to vote atm. We got 4 minutes really? Shit. Part of mee vote ctes it makes sense. Part of me is go with the BenCT route and wait to see what ctes does.

And no... organ damage yes

Also some kinda good news i just pulled a muscle and organ damage or anything