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If it's not an ego thing then why where you so low key early game Ulti?
Also, why is Ulti still refering to cult and scum as separate? I thought it was confirmed that Moebius was scum, SBell was Cult and Moebius. I just assumed either multiple recruiters or a night 0 recruitment to minimize the chance of a d1 scum loss if SBell got lynched.
This is why I've been looking at who used D1 to simply buy time.

SBell was always catching up.
IGCD had his fake dayvig that everyone seemed content to let it play out and see what happens.
Death likewise ended up as a lets see what happens no pressure day.
JC had his doomed claim.
Ulti and Corrik basically afk'd most of the day. Corrik I remember a little towards the end of the day at least trying to offer plum some kind of lifeline. All I remember from Ulti was his Sultan nonsense and I think it may have been SBell harping on about why he hadn't addressed it for 2 days.
Lopen had his miller counterclaim to plum.

SBell was scum.
JC was town.
Death is more than likely town.
I have a theory on Corrik but I lean town for now of those 4.

That leaves IGCD, Lopen and Ulti.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Honestly, its not even that I don't care about winning as town.

This should be good.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Hell I put it out there that I would give my vote to whoever offered to do recaps for me and no one took up the offer, I even asked for a recap because I missed the end of the day that sbell was lynched no one gave me anything. If it is a team game and no one wants to be teamley it makes it more frustrating to actually get myself riled up too.

Whoever offred to do a recap gets your vote? So if a scum player does a recap and tells you to lynch the most obvious town player in the game then you just say yeah ok it's better than reading by myself. As it happens you piggy backed Peaf who was town and tried to for Death who later claimed town power.

its not even that I don't care about winning as town.

Except when town players asked why you were playing the way you were on D1 because it was super anti-town you did the complete opposite of act like a team player. You doubled down on your play and literally said you don't care you're just having fun. Plum got so mad at your anti-town play he practically rage quit which was one of the biggest reasons he got lynched.

its not even that I don't care about winning as town.

You literally hammered Town power yesterday for no reason if you're town. There was ages left and he hadn't claimed.

its not even that I don't care about winning as town.

D1 waste the day with a dumb D1 vig shot prank. Annoy town power so much they quit and get lynched.
D2 vote for what later became a town cop claim.
D3 Hammer town power

Like I'm not sure how any of this can be town play. It has to be scum play. The only real decision should be do we kill Lopen or Ulti tomorrow. We're spinning our wheels here and getting absolutely nowhere.

Framed #327


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From what I can gather from flips and the little I read in the wiki maybe death can help me with the flavour, JC needed Peaf to save him with that Ouroboros thing and then theyd have hydrad a spot when JC died.

The steal mechanic also makes one of Zidanes abilities more powerful and there is a treasure hunter type rank thing too. Basically, you should steal from everyone all the time even in random encounters

That explains why hb was so confident Im town. I remember thinking at the time it was a lot of confidence just based on my play and I was worried about hb trying to pocket me. Dumey being mentioned could be similar to the sultan angle. A player that has a lot of town reads on him that is an unlikely mislynch so scum could have been considering him as a night kill. Hbs data would have been great yesterday before IGCD killed our bodyguard

##vote: IGCD

Thats the second time hes taken out town power. First time his awful attitude annoyed plum so much he basically gave up. D2 he was on death because Peaf said so. Yesterday he hammered when it was an appalling decision.
I also feel like Lopen is scum too.
Spent way too much time just talking in circles, hes be the perfect recruit because he always chases shadows as town so he could just waste all the time and not draw suspicion for it. Not to mention the miller claim would cover a guilty scan. Both of these Im fine with lynching

Hbthebattle posted...

What the fuck was that shit yesterday

This

Only seen him through Riverdale. If that counts then no Im neutral. If its the comics specifically then I wont vote.

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Honestly does it matter? If the scum and cult are the same or not I dont really see the point of spending ANOTHER day arguing about it. Our job is the same regardless, find bad guys, kill bad guys. Your energy would much better spent playing like you did D1. Applying pressure, looking for reads, hunting scum/cult.

Chang did pressure SBell earlier in the day though when he felt the game was stalling. I initially wrote it off as pressure because SBell highlighted him. I doubt with a potentially small team they go after each other with so many other targets being floated around

do we assume SBell had a night zero action? Otherwise if he was the only scum role and he got lynched day 1 itd be insta win. Or is there more than 1 recruiter?

Well, that wasnt what I expected. I missed EoD because I fell asleep. I know thats weak but its true. I was also miles of on my reads so maybe I should do a complete 180 and suspect Dumey and Lopen.

Framed #325


https://framed.wtf

Nah

Id be inclined to lean town on Corrik, outside of his lets kill death posts and the claim he poisoned you Id say he hasnt been particularly scummy in any of his other posts. Inactivity isnt always a scum hiding technique. Corrik is often very low profile early on, especially when there hasnt been a ton to contribute to if were being honest. Id be happy enough to let him slide for now.
You feel scum lean on red?

I mean in general not specifically right now. I think you've spoken a few times about wanting him to be more active and that you've had enough of his threats and inactivity and stuff.

Of the inactivity Cerberus (Corrik, Red and Ulti) why are you more focused on Corrik than the others? Is it just because he's been threatening you or is there more to it?

Coffee and some doupi

Also I would usually have been back earlier because my son usually naps from around 2 until around 4 but today we got back much later than usual as we went out for an anniversary dinner. Not sure when he'll wake up so I might disappear again but I'll be back around 12ish (China time) if there's anything left unfinished.

Good news is I have less suspicion on you than I did D1. Bad news is I think Peafmas have moved on from me to you because too many people said they're barking up the wrong tree.

What do you think of Corrik's interactions with plum at EoD?

Yeah though barely. The reveal almost completely ruined the character for me but it's still a small yes

Framed #323


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Haven't seen it but I know where it's set. Boom!

Who's here right now? I don't want to waste my few hours talking to myself.

Finally caught up. Busy morning. Have a few things to mention from last topic.
JC not reading the flip irks me. I know Han said it happens all the time as town but I can't get my head around why as town when we have such limited information already you'd willingly ignore vital information. Like wtf.
Hb mentions JC drawing attention to himself as recruiter would be a terrible idea, this is true however, JC said himself he was worried about a special so getting his crumbs and claim down early actually makes a lot of sense.
p 331 I may be misreading this but Han seems to ignore the possibility of being killed by lynch. Can someone explain this to me because I think Han said he won't be back. He says if it's only Cult then why would JC be afraid of dying but again JC mentioned being scared about a special before this.
p 362 and 364. Chang and Peaf are apparently now the best of buddies. Chang wants more attention on the 3 people that have doubted his alignment the most. Shocking revelation.
P 379 is a straight up lie. First of all my scum reads have changed since D1. I originally had PEaf Chang Ulti and Death as my 4 scum reads. Today I've clearly talked about IGCD, my theory was immediately squashed because the role is banned but to say I've only looked at you 2 is wrong. Secondly, the reason I haven't changed my mind is because you've done absolutely nothing to make me feel you're less scummy. In fact, you two not being best friends makes me even more suspicious of you as a scum pairing. It's hypocritical that you say I've been tunneling you 2 wihtout looking elsewhere when you both have me as scum when multiple people have told you they see it differently. At least chang has said he's willing to stop trying to push me after seeing it's not going anyway.
P 385. Peaf is on Death who was on Chang. This is literally the same thing you did yesterday with me.

Anyone that says they though Sultan would send his scan to Ulti is either lying or not following. Sultan was absolutely 100% anti-Ulti. He was constantly asking Ulti why he changed his mind and was clearly annoyed that he wasn't getting an answer. To think that Sultan would then choose Ulti of all people to send his scan too is insane.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Then maybe I misremembered who it was.

My read on Ulti was that he didn't ever seem to want to be in this game.

Peaf, Dumey, and in third JC.

I'd want someone I know I get along with who I expect to have some amount of activity.

This makes way more sense than some random town mother trying to make you two become friends like some weird adult play date.
I think either this whole thing is bull and you're both scum or chang is scum and was given 24 hours to convince you he wasn't by scum before someone buses him on your read. My money would be on Peaf because he was already on chang yesterday so he'd be the easiest to lead the bus.
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Can we kill chang today or does it absolutely have to be Han first?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What, you're expecting people to read flips?

I think Peaf was the one who seemed to readily believe Ulti? He was likely not Cop but my guess was Ulti was given the scan and was stirring for reactions. I think it was Peaf's reaction that led me to believe Peaf didn't read Plum's flip which means Town.

Do you mean Sultan's flip? Why on earth would town not read a flip?

I'm not gonna lie I was trying to decide if I should go to bed or not and was having a last look through the topic. I will agree with chang on one thing. There is nothing happening today so far that hasn't been talked around in circles.

I would still prefer a chang or Peaf lynch over Han, I feel wayyy stronger on chang than Han as scum at this point but I'm not ruling out a scum pair, I have a very hard time believing chang was chosen by a town power to buddy with Han because like I said there are so many other options that have looked more town, Han himself even said he came round to chang being town, so he didn't even have a town read on chang himself.

Last question before I go to bed Han. Who would you have chosen to be your neighbour if you'd had control?

changmas posted...

i honestly can't believe y'all are so starved for content that 10 hours later you are still discussing the "fake neighborizing" theory and basically nothing else

I thought the term was yinz

How do you know they're both scum? What if one is town? What if Han is cult recruiter and everyone he recruits is Han, too? I need more information before I vote.

PunishedBen posted...
I will refer to Chaiex as JC going forward lol

[1]IGCD - Dumey
[1]Han - Lopen
[1]JC - (Ulti), IGCD
[1]Peaf - JC
[1]Han - Corrik
[1]Chang - Ulti
[0]Dumey - (Peaf)

You have two Han's in this update Ben.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

My words were along the lines of "I have not much to offer aside from what I said in topic". I told Chang I've not really engaged with the game. He told me the same back.

Other than that, I don't remember details. It was very stream of consciousness - Chang said he copied the logs. I did not copy them. Ask him if you want exact details.

I can see why chang thinks this is a super important role just look at how huge an impact it's had on Han.

He felt scummier than you. Simple.

5tarscream posted...

So you don't think chang is scum but you thought we both were yesterday and that I was bussing chang when asked about it?
Now you're claiming he isn't scum but still believe I am, so what do you think my reason for voting chang over yourself was if I'm scum?

Peaf this was to you incase you missed it. Or did you just ignore it. Rude.

So you don't think chang is scum but you thought we both were yesterday and that I was bussing chang when asked about it?
Now you're claiming he isn't scum but still believe I am, so what do you think my reason for voting chang over yourself was if I'm scum?

Well. BANGer goes that theory.

I agree on the Dumey read, I think even when his reads are wrong like plum his logic and thought process makes sense based on the information we have and when pushed he's able to clearly explain where he's coming from.
Peaf however, I'm still not sold on, at all.
His main pressures seem to have been chang(scum) who he couldn't wait to back off of once I put my vote down, and Dumey who to me has looked super town. I feel the Dumey pressure reads to me like easy activity to get back off of because he's clearly town.

Peaf - Chang - IGCD are my scum suspicions.
Maybe Han and death, too.
Feel death looks less scummy than he did D1 but his interactions especially at EoD didn't sit well with my scum reads.
IGCD is my only new read here and it's because I have a theory. A baseless theory that makes no sense to anyone but myself. I've talked myself into believing he's Scum: Bomb and that's the BANGer of a soundtrack, that's also why he doesn't seem to really care if he antagonizes people because worse case scenario he takes a town hammer with him.

What're your thoughts on Dumey and Peaf?

You think town has 2 scanners?
There is zero chance Sultan chooses to send his scan results to Ulti.

This...actually makes some sense.
I find it weird too that a 24 hour chat about cults, two town players never discuss JC at length. It's bs.

Lopen posted...

I disagree entirely that a town neighboring that forces two people they don't know the alignments of into a chat is terribly useful

In fact I think such a role if town should claim. I think that gives vastly more solving material

It's day 2 isn't everyone supposed to claim today anyway

changmas posted...

i mean it's also about managing personalities too though.

Sultan was basically a town lock but he might not be the most effective person to have a 1 on 1 conversation with for 24 hours.

Lopen was/is (pending cult things) mostly a town lock but you might annoy someone by subjecting them to 24 hours of lopen rabbit holes, etc.

i imagine whoever it is took more into consideration than just "who are my top 2 town reads and let me put them together".

That's fair

I'm just sceptical that someone thought you were such a lock as town over several other players. Maybe that's just me though because I think you're scum still.

You think the soundtrack would be on a safelist? Isn't that a bit out there for a safe list?
Is there a chance that the flavour is real, like the BANG emphasis makes me think bomb if not dayvig.

Hb's EoD sheer obnoxiousness seems town in hindsight of the flip. He was super excited that he'd apparently outsmarted scumplum. I don't think he's that openly obnoxious as scum. I think he'd just sit back and chuckle to himself. Lopen and Corrik seemingly making more effort than plum did to save him also looks good for me in my opinion.
Corrik can you tell me why you're so convinced Death is scum?

Chang if you believe that Han didn't neighbour you and that somebody town chose you two to work together, can you tell me who you think chose you two specifically to work together and why you think they chose you?

Peaf correct me if I'm wrong but your issue with me not trusting JC's claim yesterday was that you felt it was too late and just looked like fake content correct? Like I was hedging so if he flipped scum I could say see I never trusted him?

Little busy right now, Ill post thoughts on posts from after I went to bed as soon as I can