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Lopen said yesterday that if Hb is scum, scum would be trying to divert the lynch away from him... which is exactly what Lopen was doing with his crusade to find Corrik's target

Would scum Lopen be so on the nose? I guess you could call it WIFOM. I don't like the change for agreeing with me on the Hb-Sultan distancing theory to suddenly not wanting to lynch Hb. Still it all feels really sloppy from Lopen if he's scum

ctesjbuvf posted... When the vote was between Hb and Sultan, none of them had that many votes, I think Sultan had just two and Hb had more. We've had recent games here where votes went all over the place last minute, I wouldn't think it was completely set in stone. Sultan probably didn't think it was his only way of surviving. Sultan didn't post after having more than two votes. At that point it looked like Hb could've been killed regardless and Sultan would've looked better not being on the lynch if Hb flipped town.

ctesjbuvf posted... Alright, I'm caught up though I'm not feeling very well. I'll just answer to some of the things said first.

Ulti didn't really gun me, at least it was only because I screwed up with a sentence so it sounded like I said the opposite of what I said.

No I didn't really get to that, though I gave some thoughts early day 2 instead. I said you, Death and Poppy right. I changed my mind on Death today because I realized a lot of the good vibes were very similar to when he was scum last. I'll have to get my head in gear and see if I agree with the Kirby and Death can't be scum together theory because unless Kirby is somehow third party, that would clear Death. I mentioned you because of you were also giving me similar vibes to last game and Poppy because I thought for someone new to this place he's having a lot of thoughts that feel very natural for someone new here not knowing much and he also didn't strike me as someone who would go after an important scum role first thing. As I said early today, it's not something I'm ready to heavily defend but it's how I felt after day 1.

ctesjbuvf posted... I have talked what I wanted to about confirmation bias. I'm not entirely opposed either, I think I'm just afraid that Corrik was just killed in another way (after the last two games especially, the shot makes sense) or that Death is lying about the motion. And I really wanna lynch Kirby.

ctesjbuvf posted... Yeah, I could see it being in town's power ups or among third party too.

I will say I'm becoming more convinced that Poppy isn't a bad lynch the more I think about it.

Still rather we just kill Kirby and hope everything is more clear tomorrow.

ctesjbuvf posted... Okay, I was wrong. Sorry Lea. Not that it made any difference on anything at least.

##vote: Kirby

No need to think much more about that.

ctesjbuvf posted... Corrik's description itself is very weird, what does cover your tracks mean, is that what some item would do maybe?

I think any suggestion that Corrik would target someone he suspected at night is ridiculous unless you can find a solid hint. What good should that do town otherwise?

I'm not ready to rule out Corrik being shot directly, he has been very good the past two games, it would definitely be a good kill for a scum team that has nothing to go by. Lea kill surprised me too and I'll be trying to think of what scum team would do that. But I suppose she was town to everyone but me and that they knew she had more to role so they knew they killed power.

ctesjbuvf posted... I can be convinced to switch to Kirby, maybe even by myself. I just thought that given how uncertain I've been about who of them to be on, it might be wiser to go for the one that has no risk of losing important roles if I'm wrong.

I'm not feeling that good about a Hb or Sultan lynch right now that I feel comfortable switching to them.

Lopen posted... Also if Roshan is the third party I would see him being survivor anyway. Def not serial killer. Pretty town harmless. Not a priority to kill over scum. We kill Ulti now are Sultan and hb just gonna magically become townish? Probably not. Best to make a meaningful decision rather than last minute pivot to Ulti

Obellisk posted... What if Lopen is Roshan and he's just going to project Roshan onto everyone he tries to lynch all game...

ctesjbuvf posted... Alright, but ignoring all the miller stuff where one is lying and looking at the play, Kirby looks more towny to me as well, so we're back to.

##vote: Lea

I've made some points already and I also just don't see the Lea that took charge and seemed to actively scumhunt way more than this in Baseball Musical mafia.

But I'm also pessimistic about getting this going anywhere, I will admit, I haven't managed to convince a lot throughout the day.

I went over Hb's posts and I nothing sticks particularly out to me. It seems forced to me. Also doesn't help I'm certain there's scum having had their vote there for most of the day.

Hey, Poppy and Ulti, did y'all ever claim your flavors?

Yeah, Death's town flip 100% means that Corrik did not visit Kirby. That he exploded randomly probably also means that we can't be sure Corrik died by his own ability.

Also Han dying could simply just be because he recognized as one of the best players here.

honestly not opposed to massing at all. it doesn't appear that our base abilities are strong enough to be game changing.

anybody else feel like ctes is an option? he's been almost willfully looking away from both Sultan and HB and has been enraptured by Kirby and Lea even through today

I am somehow still awake, but expect me to fall asleep any minute and not be of much use before morning here.

Death exploding really demotivated trying to figure out meta about kills for me. I did find it a bit amusing that Death was the one to get that role.

For now, I'm still at
##vote: Kirby
I'm sorry buddy.

Also I was wrong on Hb good job everyone. That's some rereading for tomorrow.

Nonetheless, if scum had an extra kill this entire time, why not use it at the end of D1 like how Death was assassinated at the end of D2, especially to deny Corrik any potential night action?

The simplest answer is that Corrik visited scum on N1, and the vote he left behind telegraphed Poppy.

Therefore, ##Vote: Poppy

I don't think Lopen makes such unworldly awful arguments as scum to frame me/you/MZero, but I could be wrong. I'm tempted to policy lynch him on general principle because I genuinely do believe he's Rosh, but I'll just stick to my guns here.

##Vote: Red

Next.

roshan is kirby

bye

I mean, this is a win-win. If Hb is scum but is also now a Bomb, we kill scum and lose a very inconsequential town role (though my mango will be sorely missed... y'all better pick it up before scum gets it).

If Hb is town... well, we're fucked. But at least I won't be alive to centralize the discussion around me and my alignment.

Roshan wants that lynch to happen. Death was showing signs he would possibly join the Poppy lynch and he was silenced

I sure hope some people stop afking for the rush and see that the fix is in here

Hb is surrounded by a shifting glow.

So all 4 non-town are 4/5 votes on the hb lynch.

Subtlety out of the window, scum just wants town to take this as it idles out and dies it looks like

You would not mention having looked based on literally two posts, one of which is tag. You would not. More accurately you would say "Corrik's one post during the rush didn't give a hint, I'll keep looking back" if that's what you meant.

You did not attempt to look and were trying to sweep it under the rug because that line leads to scum

Also even a passing read of earlier topics would have had Corrik's incessant rambling about the cult leader in your head I would think

Corrik7 posted... It's important for people to realize that going forward. Lea has a death claim if scum. There is zero reason to worry about it now. It's easier to piece Kirby together as town with how the game falls together if he is and reactions, but this game is so outright weird that things can change quickly. People need to look at these things if I die and things go off the handle quickly.

Corrik7 posted... I haven't argued to lynch Kirby. I am doing exactly what I did last game with Ben's doctor claim. HEY IF I DIE LOOK AT THESE THINGS LATER ON BECAUSE SOMETHING SMELLS HERE. IT COULD BE NOTHING OR EVERYTHING. Basically.

My vote is where it is simply due to not deciding what avenue is best today, not because of what I am pushing. It's important to get everything on the board with Kirby though, because if he isn't town. It could be eventually catastrophic. I am operating Kirby as town due to how many people likely can't be paired with him as scum, though ironically this all kinda falls apart if he is 3rd party I suppose. But, for all intents scum would view the 3rd party as town as well right now. And because he tried some bs host read tags argument to confirm as town slyly. But, it's something town absolutely has to be aware of a a possibility going forward.

Corrik7 posted... I think the arguments are pretty good and need to be kept in the back pocket if things start going sideways for why it is.

By the way

You can't believe Sultan is scum yesterday, call Hb town yesterday
Then flip your stance on Hb based on Sultan's flip if you throught Sultan was scum yesterday

You do realize that doesn't make sense right

Don't reduce my argument to that Poppy

I'm attacking you primarily because you claimed Corrik left no hints (obviously he left hints on Kirby)
Secondarily for flopping on whether I'm town or flailing scum (what)
Your posting style is a distant third

1. i said corrik had no hints IN TOPIC 4. and obviously i'm not going to assume him voting me is a hint because i know i'm town. i haven't reread topic 3 to see if he hinted something else
2. i thought you were town but your continual bad faith illogical arguments have led me to change my mind. that happens in a game of mafia.

Hbthebattle posted... ##Vote: Kirby
Well, never let it be said I'm a quitter

Hbthebattle posted... look im not going to be around for the last hour of EoD so I'm going to miss any specials or insanity
I think it's smartest to put the vote on the person I think is likeliest to be scum and then hope for the best

Hbthebattle posted... I don't think he's looked particularly good so I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch.

TheSultanOfSlam posted... Ill move from Kirby just trying too decide Honestly

Question han If you had a vote to use who would you use it on.

The reason I'm hesitant on HB is he tunneled alot like is that nessisarily a scum thing to do??

I also feel like he has been the lynch leader majority of the dayband nothing has really changed there which makes me feel maybe its wrong and scum is laying low?

I am very weary of the 2 millers and the worse sounding of the 2 is Kirby that is why I haven't moved. I dont think it be lea

Chang I feel is a good option
And Ulti also still seems like a great option

Ulti probably is a "safe" day one option i am sure he is. Scum or 3rd party and not town i dont really see him being town.

I want everyone to tell me why lynching ulti is a bad idea here?

changmas posted... isn't that exactly what you were suggesting about myself and red yesterday?

Lol

Why do I need to flail Poppy

Ulti in particular took a long time to vote, sus.

To be clear on what I meant, Poppy, and I do feel this is a good general vibe of your play even if it isn't the crux of my argument.

In the game of mafia there are two reasons to refer to past posts directly by quote.

The first, the more obvious, is to help people understand why you're saying what you are and to try and convince them you're correct.

The more insidious use however is to make it cumbersome to read your posts, to give the illusion that you're trying to solve the game

People who make long drawn out posts packed to the brim with quotes from other posts tend to be scum more often than not imo. Particularly when they aren't using these floods of quotes to actively pursue a case on a single person.

So it's not that you necessarily need more aggression, just that when someone takes a posting style such as yours without narrowing the scope of their point, it is a strong diversionary tactic. It's why so many people think you come across as townlike right now. I would possibly feel the same if I could recall any cases you really helped drive that weren't already going that way.

PoppyTheNinja posted... okay so anyway two things i wanted to get at:

1. i think it's unavoidably suspicious that Hb and Sultan both refused to vote the other in self-preservation and gave weird reasoning for it. Hb had sultan in his list of potential scum but left his vote on kirby instead when sultan was the bigger wagon. maybe he's town that got stuck in an unfortunate tunnel and this is all bad coincidence but it looks not great to me. it's especially weird because in an earlier topic Hb blew up at sultan for scumreading him for bad reasons but then wouldn't vote him. that to me feels like it could easily be distancing

PoppyTheNinja posted... that's not relevant, he was the other main wagon when you left and instead you voted kirby, someone who had 0 votes and was unlikely to ever be a wagon:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967861980
^votecount

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967862191
^you voting kirby and leaving with yourself as the lead wagon

if i'm not mistaken, you seemed to have indicated some suspicion of sultan earlier in the day, so why not vote him there instead?

PoppyTheNinja posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967856692
yes, right here, you said you'd be down for pushing sultan as his reason on you was the worst but then a wagon on him comes up at the end of day when you're in danger of dyin and you won't even vote in self preservation onto someone you fos?

PoppyTheNinja posted... okay, well, i felt like a number of people had expressed not being willing to vote kirby, but maybe that wasn't your perception

it's still notable you said you'd be down for pushing sultan but didn't vote him given the opportunity, and quite notably sultan also refused to place a self preservation vote onto you, and i can't help but find that suspicious

Ulti and Poppy both comment on how townish Hb is towards the end of yesterday

Poppy votes Hb today
Ulti votes Hb today

OK

1. hb despite having a severe overreaction to sultan and calling him possible scum ost of the day avoids voting him at the deadline when he's in danger of being lynched
2. sultan makes noise about hb being likely scum then when hb is the lead wagon against him makes a waffly post full of excuses and votes elsewhere. the fact both did this behavior and were willing to vote the other is a likely sign both are scum
3. HB this phase has not even really attempted to slve, he has mostly sat in the background while lopen consumed the thread with his asinine theory about corrik visiting me

Also boiling down the activity to speculation on Corrik is reductive

Your exasperation seems fake. You're so sure hb is scum. Why. Build on that, lead the day yourself.

He... wasn't? He was my number 4 scum.

At the time I think it's because he posted a lot of quote blocks but didn't pursue a lot of leads aggressively-- those seem at odds with one another and tend to ping me as scummy. I only had strong conviction on 1-3 though.