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My cat made it to 17 before a brain tumor first blinded and then killed her.
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Izayoi
Sol
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Luong
Vertigo
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Sol
Faust
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Cervantes
Nightmare
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Jon Talbain
Terry Bogard
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Izayoi
Sol
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No.
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Pyrrha Omega
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Making flippy floppy?
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*weebs all over this topic*
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Nightmare
Cyrax
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Izayoi
Jon Talbain
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Never mind, sniped. Adon's eliminated.
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Izayoi
Sol
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I assume Tucson counts as "major", so that. About two hours away.
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Ukyo
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Whopper > Big Mac, don't have Wendy's out here
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I alternate with little rhyme or reason.
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Fuck Capcom.
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Izayoi
Sol
Terry Bogard
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Izayoi
Sol
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Izayoi
Sol
Talbain
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Siegfried
Baiken
Jack-O'
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Izayoi
Sol
Jon Talbain
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Izayoi
Sol
Bridget
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GOATSLAYER posted...

DeathVelvien posted...

Been following the game since its arcade days, as I do every BB. You could make the argument that the lower tiers are stronger than bottom tiers of the past (although these iterations of Kagura and Bullet are honestly probably the worst characters since CS1 times).

But the meta is completely dominated by the top 6 or so, to the point where very few characters outside of them actually win anything (aside from the occasional Fenrich Jin or Dogura Azrael win), and to the point that their very existence drops otherwise solid characters down to dregs of the tier list (see: Bang).

If I can win consistently with Carl Clover, then nobody has the right to complain about balance

Carl's top tier lol
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You haven't actually seen how bad Kagura and Bullet are, have you? Kagura lost his one saving grace (enormous damage) for maybe slightly better mixup and being able to knock down after (which means nothing when he still can't get in) while retaining all of his weaknesses: incredibly slow, poor neutral, awful pressure that is easy to just up-back out of.

And Bullet? Christ. She was already barely functional before. Now she can't combo into her drive to build her heat gimmick. Her damage has been destroyed. She still has terrible mobility. She has worse oki. Still no good reversals at all. Laughable neutral. Command grab does nothing for her, especially without heat since that makes it so she needs to somehow close in again. New drive is a total nerf; the larger range doesn't help much for neutral due to it still having a long startup, while she lost the ability to combo into it, and she can no longer do red locks to make it positive on block. CPE Terumi at least had pressure; CPE Hakumen at least had burst damage; CPE Amane at least had a solid neutral game. CF Bullet has literally nothing good about her.

Also for anyone reading this stupid argument, feel free to tag me as a gigantic nerd, it's not a thing I can deny at this point lol
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It's also worth noting how one of the biggest issues people had with CPE mechanically, the guard cancel Overdrive, is greatly exacerbated by the advent of active flow allowing for multiple bursts/overdrives per round, as well as the new Exceed Accels providing safe-on-block reversals when in OD.
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And Bullet/Kagura/arguably Noel are worse than those four. Probably worse than anything from any of the CP versions. Not as bad as CS1 Rachel/Tsubaki, though. My Bang example was because he is, overall, actually a good character; put up against most of the cast, his matchups are largely even. But his matchups with the top tier are so bad, he's regarded as C tier and borderline unviable.

I mean, overall, CF is pretty damn well balanced, especially given its roster size. But it's still a step down from CPE's overall balance. Or more like, the lower tiers largely improved, but the top tiers became more cancerous; Arakune is probably the weakest of the CF top tiers but would still destroy anyone from CPE.
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Been following the game since its arcade days, as I do every BB. You could make the argument that the lower tiers are stronger than bottom tiers of the past (although these iterations of Kagura and Bullet are honestly probably the worst characters since CS1 times).

But the meta is completely dominated by the top 6 or so, to the point where very few characters outside of them actually win anything (aside from the occasional Fenrich Jin or Dogura Azrael win), and to the point that their very existence drops otherwise solid characters down to dregs of the tier list (see: Bang).
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Yeah, dead game is dead rip. New console version next month, but that's JP only and who knows when/if it will be localized.

Sigh.

MechaKirby posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

MechaKirby posted...

BlazBlue Chronophantasma Extend

CPE sucks

Central Fiction undid all the damage and improved many things

thats not what ive been hearing.

mainly the top tiers and Exceeds, Active flow, nd overdrive in general

if anything people are making it out to be a worse CPEX.

CF is definitely worse than CPE overall besides the new characters.
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Sol
Izayoi
Talbain
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"best freeform combo system yet"

Can't agree there, with how freeform and open UNIB's combo theory generally is.

That said, definitely agree with Xrd being the "coolest" fighter to date. Fast, flashy, great design, and amazing art direction.
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Ukyo
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Guacamelee
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Cyrax
Sophitia
Mitsurugi
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Beowulf
Fulgore
Nightmare
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Cervantes
Bridget
Kula
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Adon
Ibuki
Siegfried
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Probably Cell
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Izayoi
Jon Talbain
Terry
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Adon
Faust
Terry
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Izayoi
Jack-O
Talbain
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Alfred the Great way too low there tbh
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A chick who got bit by a monster and gained powers from it, and thus has decided that this obviously means she's actually a manga protagonist and has decided to chuuni it up.

http://in-birth.wikia.com/wiki/Phonon
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Ami
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And should be getting a Switch by the end of the year
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