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Antifar posted...

There's a chance, sure. Just like there's a chance my dog's barks are referring to the Franco-Prussian war.

What's that, boy? Chancellor Bismarck fell into a well?!
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

These are numbers multiplied by themselves or their own multiples though.

Yes, but if you're multiplying by its own multiples, you very quickly end up with multiplying something by three.

2*4*6 = (2*1)*(2*2)*(2*3)
5*10*15 = (5*1)*(5*2)*(5*3)
41*82*123 = (41*1)*(41*2)*(41*3)

No matter what number I choose, when I get to the third multiple, I have to multiply everything by three. Therefore, the final number is divisible by 3.
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

ShinyMasamuneZ posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

So is there a way to multiply a number by multiples of itself and get something that's not 3,6 or 9 other than single digit numbers?

Not really. Eventually one of those multiples we basically be 3*X and you get a 3.

X*2X*3X. This automatically a multiple of 6 just by virtue of having both a 2 and a 3 in your product.

Is there any significance as it relates to the universe around us that is conceivable due to this limitation? Math and numbers do describe the universe around us and this does seem like an easily isolated limitation of sorts.

Not really. A number multiplied by 3 will give you a product divisible by three. There's nothing deeper here.
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

So is there a way to multiply a number by multiples of itself and get something that's not 3,6 or 9 other than single digit numbers?

Not really. Eventually one of those multiples we basically be 3*X and you get a 3.

X*2X*3X. This automatically a multiple of 6 just by virtue of having both a 2 and a 3 in your product.
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In every case you're multiplying an even number by a multiple of three. This means that those numbers are divisible by 2 and 3 and therefore also divisible by six.

For determining whether something is divisible by 3, if its digits add to a multiple of 3, then it checks out. Same with 9's.

So in the middle case when you start multiplying by 30, you have part of the product being 15*30 = 3*3*(5*10) = 9*50. We're now multiplying by 9 and so the result must be divisible by 9.
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Apparently they used an atypical dating method on the bones which draws some skepticism about the accuracy of their data. It's an interesting find sure, but I think the measurements should be repeated by another group or through using a different method of geochronology.

Not only does it rewrite what we know about the earliest people in the Americas, but at that early date most Homo Sapiens were barely out of Africa. This finding is going to need some extraordinary evidence.
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Aligned electronic spins creating a net magnetic moment. Open a book you ignorant clowns.
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Post-reboot, I'd agree. Original run of Futurama is one of the consistently best cartoons out there.
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Elaborate.
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I don't see why male birth control would have to work in the exact same way that female birth control would. It could work by using hormones to reduce sperm production or modify sperm so that it works much more inefficiently (reduced flagella, no acrosome to puncture the ovum lining, etc). Be creative!
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Show is just really bad to begin with. It's basically:

"I'm right! You, the audience, already agree with me! I'll rant about how I'm right to create a giant echo chamber! Remember my other show from when you were a kid!?"

Science advocacy and communication is super important to me, but this new show does it in all the wrong ways and just turns into a huge nostalgia-fueled circlejerk.
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FlashOfLight posted...

The northern lands also have receding snow along with it, and the areas where the snow recedes is where the plant life grows, as in particularly the areas in Greenland, which are immediate neighbors to the ice shelves.

Okay, fine, but the topic at hand was that of sea ice. Your response seemed off-kilter regarding the discussion at hand. The loss of sea ice still doesn't mean that there will be an increase in flowering plants in those regions.

This is an often cited thing, but it is again playing to the mentality that somehow this is what's normal and expected, instead of a circumstance and a result of the animals having to rely on it because of much ice to begin with, since they would otherwise reside elsewhere. The false image of a polar bear resting on an ice shelf is what people have been accustomed to be the norm, yet they fail to mention that a polar bear has to go deeper into the ice to find any food to begin with, otherwise the polar bears would just reside closer to land if they already had abundance of food.

Yes, it's cited because its not a logical argument based on what-if assumptions, it's an observation. We have observed for more than a decade that due to sea ice area reduction and the general breakup of ice floes that polar bears have reduced their average weight due to eating less and exerting themselves more. We've also observed many cases of polar bears turning up dead due to drowning.

I also don't especially understand your last statement. Polar bears ARE going further out into the ice precisely because there is not enough food on the mainland. This suggests that polar bears are adapted to and are reliant on the sea ice as a hunting ground.

This is again a circular reasoning fallacy, however, because it assumes as its ultimate conclusion that the Ivory Gull would not have another means of access to food or nesting grounds if it weren't for the ice. This is a very narrow view of a species' ability to survive in multiple scenarios, not just the one that they are currently known to live under now.

Life is far more adaptive than being able to be limited by such circumstances.

It's not circular at all. The ice floes allow the Ivory Gull to move into a niche not occupied by other birds and therefore allows them to survive based on their relative monopoly of resources there. Remove this niche and the gulls become pigeonholed (pun gratuitously intended) into regions occupied by other birds and resulting competition could be detrimental to both populations.

Sure, they could find an alternate way to go about, but it would certainly not be favorable conditions. If you live in the suburbs and get your driver's license revoked, you'd probably still be able to get around due to some forms of public transportation or mooching off of someone else's ride, but the freedom and ability to get around would be gravely altered and disadvantageous compared to the previous case. It's not circular reasoning to suggest that.

Furthermore, life has certainly shown itself to be resilient, but the rate of this change is much greater than any before from recorded history. Life can adapt to change, given enough time, but if the change is too abrupt, it doesn't stand a chance.

As I said, the earth's climate balances itself out, the bulk of ice doesn't just disappear over night or become warm over night, since winter still takes place every season and settles it right back, and excess of populations is also beneficial for man in the long term, since they can capitalize on such boost in numbers.

Yes, there is seasonal variation, but the year-to-year trend suggests overall loss. The ice may return to some degree each winter, but it's not quite as robust as before. If the trends stay their course, it means the sea ice will eventually melt away.
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Changing sea ice is not going alter the amount of plants that could grow in that area (unless you can have floating meadows) and therefore the whole logical chain of events you described falls apart.

The ecosystem that thrives on the sea ice instead, does emphatically depend on it. Aquatic mammals like seals rely on the ice rafts as places to rest. Without them the animals would grow fatigued, be less successful in hunting and would either die of starvation or exhaustion. Furthermore, animals such as polar bears would suffer in turn because of decreased food supply and reduced mobility due to reduced ice area.

Maybe birds from more southernly areas would migrate more northward due to increasing temperatures and find more ample fishing grounds, but there are also birds such as the Ivory Gull that actually depend on the ice floes as nesting grounds. Many fish (cod, char, etc) and crustaceans also are adapted to and prefer colder waters and thus would migrate out of range where air temperatures may still be too cold for the birds. If everything goes northward, then you have larger populations in a smaller area and competition for resources becomes very strong.
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FlashOfLight posted...

Mammals, birds, insects, and fish.

Insects by themselves being one of the most immediate beneficiaries and leading to the rest of the food chain being strong, since they themselves depend much on an abundance of plant life.

The more ice, the lesser and fewer plant life. While the more plant life, such as blooming flowers, and grass, is of extreme necessity to insects, and birds feed off the insects, and some mammals feed off birds and their eggs, and larger mammals don't starve once they have more abundance of mice, and other rodents, and thus are able to better provide for their offspring, and the risk of their young dying is less because they have more food to provide, so it's beneficial to population growths of endangered species.

I don't think these sorts of ecosystems are going to be impacted too much by SEA ice.
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MakoReizei posted...

that's a good point.

it's like, why is global warming bad? it's good for plants

Not really.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3676804/

Major crops such as wheat can furthermore only produce significant yield below a certain temperature and therefore increasing global temperatures by even a few degrees could have very large ramifications on food production.
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Scenes from an Italian Restaurant
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Get in here everybody! It's a hipster-off!

Hipster-off! Hipster-off! Hipster-off!
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Just buy whey in bulk, but don't eat it. The secret here is to mix it with water and rub it gently on the areas you want to develop.
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RIP. Hope he and Prince are up there eating pancakes together.
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Mass Effect is going to win regardless of how poorly received and mediocre it was. EA can't lose.
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Using an unwieldy and unorthodox household item as a weapon to great effect.
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Crazyman93 posted...

That's been a theory for a while. Right next to a bunch of weird ones about his sexuality. Yes really.

Don't forget the one-ball theory.
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"May no one ever eat fruit from you again." -- Publix Aisle 4
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"Hi this is Janice at the Holocaust Center, can I interest you in an unfathomable torture? You say you want the Mengele Madness package? Well, you're in luck, we're running a special offer where if you order in the next 15 minutes you get an additional item for no cost at all! It's Arbeit Macht Free!"

Sorry, just ensuring my place in Hell.
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Does she have a harelip?
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In the near future, it might not though.
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My favorite is "criminals will easily get guns anyway!" as if the black market were just between the Hardees and Walmart on Main.
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The 'kid' in the story was a 23-year-old who actually shot a bunch of teenagers. He deserves to be able to protect his home regardless, but let's not sugar coat this story.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

I didn't say he can't use it. I said he would have likely been fine with weaker firepower...which the original post implied he wouldn't have been safe had not had that specific weapon.

Most proponents of magazine limits put it around 7-9 rounds. That's easy to blow through on the first assailant. I don't know how many times the kid shot, how many misses, but it's entirely possible that he blew through 10 shots or more before getting the last person.

No way man, he nailed each assailant with only a single bullet and then he reloaded four times in less than 15 seconds just to show off.
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Most people are not allowed to own ammo in Switzerland though.
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But if they ban guns, I'll never get to live out my fantasy when six guys break into my house from all directions and I get to dual-wield AR15s to protect my family! Think about my unrealistic fantasies, guys!
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According to US demographics, Hispanic is considered to be white as a race, but as a different ethnicity.
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Rick and Morty is quite good, but Venture Bros., now there's a real show.
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