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There is a slight chance I'll actually save Storm now between Omega Red and Bishop getting elimmed.

I think Omega Red out

Good showing for one of my favorites. But I knew he was about done as I'm not about to start entering trading mode

Kudo - 4.8
He's fine but overshadowed by other characters in this case. I find the sprite mildly obnoxious so dock him a bit from what would be very slightly positive into pure neutral/slight negative.

Armstrong - 5.3
He's fine. Does what he needs to for the story. Mostly forgettable though.

Basil - 6.4
One of the more memorable low importance characters. And in a non annoying way unlike the l33t speak guy. I'm a slight fan.

Viola - 9.2
She is incredible in terms of maximizing her time onscreen. Super memorable and fun. Really was hopeful she'd appear I'm Edgeworth when notes from her were found but alas. Creepy cute girl is a trope that's a weakness of mine but I think she does it exceptionally, and I like that she's actually genuinely nice and helpful and not scheming to destroy you (just wants you to think she is). She's definitely a top 10 character for me in the whole series (which is a big deal with a series with characters on Ace Attorney's levels) in spite of having like 10 minutes of screen time.

Tigre - 8.6
He's awesome. Just completely absurd and over the top and I love it the energy, there is like no subtlety here at all. You can't do this kind of villain every case or in a finale case, but used sparingly it sticks out in a great way.

I was half expecting CT would SFF FF6 down to 4 or 5 and it was gonna be an old fashioned Mario vs Crono affair but I guess not.

Rikku

Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b5a7d331.jpg

So Sersi has some funny interactions with Jubilee. Notably if Jubilee summons Sersi it'll use what Jubilee turned into as a reference for stuff like Cloning Vats. Might be relevant with Cloning Vats featured.

I had a funny game here with big boy Howard not even owning a Namora. (Right Lane was Iron Lad -> Jubilee -> Sersi)

I also had another game earlier on Sinister London where I played Sersi on Wong lane the final turn and the clone Sersi summoned a taskmaster which referenced the Cersi morphed up Wong which had become Onslaught

Just a lot of funny chaos using those two together

Jubilee
Omega Red

Got me Sersi with the tokens

Then I reached 3 keys and was like "eh I really like that Spotlight Variant and wouldn't mind getting Miek" and got her variant in one try. Awesome!

Delita

Algus

Wow that almost made me feel bad for rooting for it to drop at 4 haha. Love the enthusiasm even if I'm firmly in the SMB3 camp myself.

Yes

Close to a neutral no tbh. Never been a favorite of mine. She's got some of the better story modes in the series though which is enough to put her into yes

Atmey - 3.5
I don't like this guy. I think his trope works better in a cast with less crazy people in it. When silliness is kinda the norm I don't really want a wacky detective. I do kinda like his scheme which saves him from a lower score.

Ron - 4
Too many things he does have me going "you idiot!" and he's annoying as a result. I realize that it's intentional and helps the case work so I don't like hate him but do I like the character? Can't say so.

Desiree- 5.5
She is fine. I can believe the lovestruck idiot so she does was she needs to.

Not a particularly big fan of this case as you can see.

Yeah I personally didn't have Super Mario World or Link to the Past on my list.

Nothing against the games, they're good, I just really like a lot of games in the SNES library and they didn't quite make the cut.

Road

Mystique

Xavier

Get Omega Red

Colossus
Psylocke

I was thinking I didn't know the top 5

Then I thought again and know the top 5

Hoping Super Metroid or Final Fantasy VI take it but expecting Super Mario World or Chrono Trigger

Omega Red
Jubilee

IGCD good alternate

Wallz plz

[5]Sultan - (Peaf), Chang, Ben, Wallz, (IGCD), SBell, IGCD

2+ of Wallz IGCD and Sbell as scum makes it an obvious bus

Dumey is town

Wallz is scum

Also sbell arguments

Dumey is probably town yeah

Now watch how wallz goes after Sultan

Totally non commital entirely using Blade and Peaf arguments

Sultan was gumming people

He was a fall guy

wallmasterz posted...

Also that poe is outdated for me and Ive had posts indicate as much

I'm sure it is

You've been opportunistically moving your poe as it suits you all game

Where is the tunneling town wallz?

Wallz IGCD and traitor Foolmo is where I'm at right now as most likely

Obellisk posted...

let scum deal with it for a night before being forced to address it further

This is not what you said

htaeD posted...

I dont want to know who is scum if all those 4 have to be town

Wallz
Foolmo
IGCD
Ben
Sbell

That'd be your POE and I can easily see 3 scum in that

Lopen posted...

This is wallz's "suspect list"

Dumey, Chang, and two easy default lynches

These are probably all town and he wants to railroad into Dumey -> Corrik -> Mzero

Lynch wallz please. Don't follow him onto Dumey

You oppose, Ben? Show me. Kill him.

PunishedBen posted...

That's what we said about Blade last game and it worked out in the end! Gotta go for the high +EV plays. I dont even know what that means but i know its right in this context.

He may not be telling the truth, but if he is let scum deal with him instead of us worrying about him

I have no problem with letting fool play out

I have a problem with people feeling confident he's actually doc. Most people are like "let scum deal with it" which is imo totally reasonable

Sbell is saying "oh yeah he's telling the truth"

wallmasterz posted...

Chang, Corrik, Dumey, Mzero

This is wallz's "suspect list"

Dumey, Chang, and two easy default lynches

These are probably all town and he wants to railroad into Dumey -> Corrik -> Mzero

People should go after wallz. He doesn't want Corrik lynched because he wants to path into Corrik tomorrow.

I just think if you're too trusting of the role that means you're informed and/or think he's your traitor

Most people have healthy specticism over foolmo, they are just too cowardly to actually murder him

Meanwhile sbell is like "it's highly unlikely he's lying" uh sure bud

EDumey posted...

There's a Godfather, why would Miller be out of the prospect?

There's a conditional godfather role copier not just godfather

Also foolmo's flavor is completely on the nose too. It's not like Marcel town doc.

I dare say this is too boring to be in a role madness game. I wish the real protection would counter. It is unlikely there are two protection roles in the setup

Lopen posted...

foolmo may be lying but let's play it out cause you"

Cause you can't keep that lie going forever

Like most people are like "foolmo may be lying but let's play it out cause you"

Sbell thinks it's very likely he's telling the truth outright which -- Why??

Might need to take sbell out of my book of town

Was sbell x wallz x Sultan masterful theatre??

Obellisk posted...

it's unlikely that foolmo is lying about the doc.

This seems weird to be sure of

Especially in a role madness game

Why are we so trusting of "miller" and "doctor" these are not mad roles

Algus

##vote wallz

changmas posted...

should it be concerning to me that I have found Lopen to be entirely reasonable this game and don't really have major concerns with anything he's saying?

maybe I can chalk it up to him being a spectator instead of a player.

I said this in spectator chat but I used to be a lot better at finding scum

And I think it's because town hadn't made me as a joke yet and people could bounce ideas off of me.

A Mason chat increases my power levels immensely because they can filter ridiculousness a bit and trust me

##Vote Corrik

I'm back at this I think

Notably notable one could say!

Keep in mind whether foolmo is traitor or not scum doesn't know who traitor is so Corrik realizing foolmo might have been hinting traitor at some point in the day could definitely have caused him to flip on him and is a big part of why Corrik is strongly in my POE

Corrik is also notably not pushing for mass at a more sensible time than he usually pushes for mass. This is notable

Lopen posted...

I still think it's more likely IGCD than foolmo but IGCD's play makes sense as Traitor so it's possible

I meant more likely foolmo than IGCD

IGCD has had some boldness in his play that feels townish but I actually think that him being Traitor could bring that same energy potentially

Town reads

1. Ben
Was pretty instrumental in getting momentum on Sultan. I think his attempts to engage with the game and reads come from town. Like that Death slip catch, wrong as it ultimately was, had to come from Iso on Death. Scum doesn't care enough to Iso.

2. Chang
Was also instrumental in getting momentum on Sultan. I actually move him into the book of town after his theorycrafting about Traitor and Peaf's role as 3p. Going into that amount of detail on role mechanics just to townclear one person feels like a town Chang thing to do.

4. Death
My Death towntell is pretry ironclad and game proven. Annoyed I didn't see it earlier could have saved Peaf distraction. The scumtell is more dicey so I trust it less. I also like how he engaged me. I think Death as scum just downplays my value as he has done before.

5. Dumey
Pretty much can't be paired with wallz who feels obvscum at this point. If we lynch Wallz and he turns out town then I dunno.

8. MZero
He called Death town and was set on it entirely because he didn't like the flavor argument against him. Hes also been pretty lighthearted and has made a lot of jokey posts. That feels like town Mzero to me, but this is a weaker townread than the others.

9. Peaf
His role makes zero sense as scum and he has clearly been trying to work with us to scumhunt in the chat. It also makes zero sense as 3p due to what Chang said.

10. SBell
I think his teeth attack on Sultan was pretty important in getting him ultimately lynched. I think the attack was too effective and focused to be scum on scum violence in contrast to Wallz who didn't put as much substance against Sultan and left other options open.

Remaining is
Wallz, Corrik, foolmo, IGCD (and Dumey if wallz flips town). I still think it's more likely IGCD than foolmo but IGCD's play makes sense as Traitor so it's possible.