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LinkMarioSamus posted...

TLJ kept trying to subvert ESB

not really. Only in one real way.

The only two 'subversions' the movie had were Rey's parentage (retconned anyway) and the idea that the Resistance and First Order were the same and just fueling a military industrial complex (completely misunderstands the mythos of Star Wars and makes little sense given history and what has even been shown in both films).

SaveEstelle posted...

And then you have Poe's verbal antics with Hux at the beginning of The Last Jedi, which speaks almost as loudly as tonal whiplash for me as anything that followed in The Rise of Skywalker.

On rewatch, that was my favorite part of the movie.

GranTurismo posted...

How is it a clone of anh? Spoiler tags if nec. Hardly remember anh

Main character found on desert planet, leaves on the millennium falcon.
There's an escape from an Imperial starship.
Features a jungle world with temples - X-Wings fly over it.
There's a Death Star - it blows up planets.
The mentor is killed at the Death Star.
They blow up the Death Star.
Chewie is not given a medal.

Some plot beats hit the same, but it's not as bad of a copy of ANH as TLJ is of ESB.

It's not a bottle episode

TLJ was influenced by ESB as much as TFA was by ANH.

Even Luke refusing to train Rey was an ESB plotbeat.

TLJ suffers from having half of its movie be utterly pointless.

CelesMyUserName posted...

as someone that doesnt like TLJ I blame TFA the most of all for resetting the story

even tho I think TFA is at least the most enjoyable movie to watch in the bunch

I agree with this.

TFA is objectively the best movie of the trilogy, but it also did the sin of just - rehashing and resetting. It felt like Star Wars, which was great fun, but in rewatch it's also sloppily written at points. Still, if there's one thing it did really really well - it introduced a dynamite new main trio. Finn was the best character of the movie, and he had tremendous chemistry with Rey and Poe.

That said, the whole thing would have been better if it just gave different looks to everything. Don't give me a new Rebellion. Don't give me a new Empire. Move on from X-Wings, for Christ's sake.

If they made the First Order an actual rebellion-type thing fighting to bring down the New Republic and just made them legitimately heinous and took notes from the OT trilogy and Clone Wars using politics to achieve it, it could have made for a very interesting galaxyscape.

Palpatine being resurrected has always made sense in-universe.

Palpatine not resurrecting for like 50 years, less so.

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ecksgem posted...

Jean Grey

okay but this is clearly a trolling save so it shouldn't be counted

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Waluigi1 posted...

Apparently the original pitch of the show was an Asajj Ventress focused show and you can really tell in certain parts, like with the witches.

I'm sorry, we missed out on what?

Give me more Ventress

I haven't seen the Jurassic movies yet, so instead I'll compare their rides.

Velocicoaster is fucking amazing. Some stellar inversions and a great launch.

Rise of the Resistance is like, technologically amazing though. Even with sequel trilogy being messy, it still manages to make it kind of cool.

I feel like my answer will probably be "Star Wars movies let me down more but I would be more likely to watch them again"

That's better than what I read on Reddit.

What sort of problems do occur and when?

To be fair, the witches of Dathomir have been around since the 90's.

We're looking at stepping away from Spectrum, and Verizon just set up a tower in the neighborhood. Trying to do some research before committing.

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They ended both episodes very abruptly.

Is this hornyposting?

Yes

1 > 3 > 2

Still an absolutely phenomenal series

There's also a similar thing for Brittle Hollow as well. There is a shortcut to the Hanging City.

Sheep007 posted...

Thank you! I just straight up didn't realise that carried over.

To be clear, it's not a door that you unlock from the inside. It's a hole in the rocks that you can't easily see unless you're looking for it. But it drops you into an easy access point as long as you avoid ghost matter on your way in

UshiromiyaEva posted...

If that toy ship they tell you is meant to simulate the actual controls isn't actually meant to simulate the actual controls, somebody at that dev team needs to be fired.

I've based the last 5 years of my take on how this game feels to play based on what the game implies was the baby easy version of the controls feeling like shit.

Hey you know what - now you know, and if you want to, you can give the game another try. Or not!

If I knew it was the RC ship that turned people off so much, I'd open my posts with that. Going to do that from now on I guess lol

Sheep007 posted...

I kinda agree - I'm usually intrinsically rather than extrinsically motivated when it comes to games, but I don't think so much with adventure games? That said, I think Outer Wilds does a poorer job at making an interesting world from the off to make that discovery intriguing for my tastes. The lack of hook is where it lost me compared to similar-ish things like Tunic or Obra Dinn, which I've internally compared it to a couple times and which both kept me wanting more all the way through.

I think having the central mystery of "why is the sun blowing up" be something you make no visible progress towards for a long time (at least in my experience), is particularly rough. I feel like I'm a sizeable chunk through the game and have mostly been chasing seemingly unrelated and relatively less interesting questions for ten hours (though there's some great stuff I genuinely want to know more about, which got me to pick it back up today).

Also I just wanted to hear more of the soundtrack which I have absolutely adored so far. I enjoyed the couple hours I played today! But sorta fell into the same issue again of not knowing what to do next before putting it down for the day (I still didn't completely solve the only "there's more to find here" hint I had left after like half an hour of looking, and will probably come back and try to find something different to do next time because fuck the sunless city).

I do have a small bit of advice for that location if you want it:
there is a shortcut that you can find by exploring the exit to the Gravity Cannon. You can use it in the future instead of going the normal way to get to the city

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I think it's accurate in my case.

Self admittedly I never got off the home planet, .

And this is why I always clap back against complaints about the game.

I don't get why y'all get a hard-on for saying you didn't like something you didn't even try.

You literally can't complain about the zero-g controls if you never flew the ship in the first place.

But I'm the psycho who isn't capable of enjoying a Persona game without a social link guide to lead me to a perfect file, so I'm not exactly balanced on this discussion.

You're comparing a game that limits you based on availability to complete everything with efficiency vs a game where you can complete everything at your own pace. And it's a game where almost everything you find points you elsewhere.

Something Rotten is among my favorites, but I also got to see it with Adam Pascal as Shakespeare so that helped it land for me even more.

Sheep007 posted...

I seriously think that people who didn't find it aimless had a completely different experience to me and a lot of the rest of us who played it. First off is pretty aimless but that's chill, that's what you expect in an open world game (I am aware that me calling Outer Wilds an open world game may be irritating). Then you get some directionality and start heading places, but at a certain point I started running out of things to do and getting directed back to the same places (Dark Bramble and the Ember Twin which was filling with sand) where I was very lost on exactly where to go or how to execute the required solution. And there didn't seem to be many other leads remaining at that stage, I think I had maybe four !s remaining in rumour mode, with pretty much everything else having resolved itself? And about 30 minutes of feeling aimless and like I was running into a brick wall made me realise I just wasn't having that much fun.

The mechanics are fine enough, although the physical puzzles are mostly very uninteresting, the more information-related puzzles are neat I loved basically all of the quantum stuff, and the plot is alright with some really cool concepts and cute exposition, but it never made me care, or feel a strong emotional attachment past the start. On my first attempt at a playthrough I did try and get as far away from the sun as possible, and I think that was a really compelling thing for a game to drive me to do, but it never really pushed me beyond that. I didn't even really go "wow, I can't wait to get home and play Outer Wilds!" like games I consider genuinely great would. It felt more like sticking it out and hoping it would get good and that the great bits would make the crap bits melt away. I think some of it is a frustration thing but like, I've played far more frustrating games and not bounced off them. I finished fuckin Getting Over It With Bennett Foddy, feeling like I am making no progress isn't the thing which stopped me liking Outer Wilds.

I'll reinstall it and give it another try today, I think, because I do want to love it and I can understand why people love it so much. But I also think the people who have loved it have had a fundamentally different experience to those who don't on some level, because I genuinely never found that straightforward flow of information which kept me engaged despite playing 7-8 hours of the game through a couple different playthroughs. Like, I'm meant to be in an adventure/exploration game and it feels like I am fundamentally doing exploration and adventure wrong because I have missed an intended "adventuring correctly" path somewhere.

Apologies for the lengthy rant, this is probably the one video game I've played where I have the most conflicted opinions.

It's hard to be exact without seeing the log, but my suggestion for Ember Twin would be to eye it and go for whatever big thing catches your eye from orbit that you've previously not gone to.

Ember Twin and Brittle Hollow both have this thing where north, south, east, west, zeast, and zwest poles each have something relevant. It's a good way to hit things you maybe haven't.

I've said it before but the game is really intelligently designed.

Like, you approach a planet and there's some big things that catches your eye. You go to it and follow the lights to find the things to learn, which point you to some other thing in the world somewhere.

Like 50% of the text points you somewhere else. And visually, it's all designed to funnel you places without being railroading.

The game won't click for everyone, but I usually speak back passionately in these topics because some people have complaints that are kind of wrong, and I don't want people to avoid the game because somebody is trying to say that typical WASD controls are magically bad just for this game.

Kenri posted...

It has flown me straight into the center of Hollow's Lantern (when Hollow's Lantern was not even my destination lmao), crashed me into a different planet and killed me, crashed me into the destination planet and killed me, flown past the destination and kept going, etc. It's useful if you're paying attention the whole time and want something to do about 25% of the work for you but to say you can use it "to go everywhere" is insane. It's like saying Mario Kart has autopilot because you can just hold A and it'll get you to wherever you want to go (as long as there's nothing between you and your destination).

It's not remotely comparable to that.

Yes, the autopilot is not infallible, and I could name the ways in which it isn't, but that'd be a waste of time because 9 times out of 10, it will do fine without you needing to compensate.

If it's a worse incidence then that, then you're just really unlucky or really unaware of your surroundings.

Kenri posted...

"Ignores anything between you and your destination" is a pretty bad quality for a pilot to have! Like that's a pretty major flaw!

It's not a big deal in this context, though. We're not talking about navigating a crowded city - we're talking about flying through empty space.

As long as there isn't a sun between and your destination (and seeing the sun is a surprisingly easy thing to do), you'll be fine!

Kenri posted...

People say this but the auto-pilot is so broken that there's even jokes in game about it. Tbh the only real solution is adapting to the bad controls.

The joke is that it ignores anything between you and there. It is still a good solution if you are wise enough to avoid flying directly into the sun.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...Are the controls really even that bad? I'm confused how the genuinely skilled gamers of b8 struggled with it.

No.

You press forward to go forward.
You press back to go back.
You press left to strafe left, and same for right.
Right trigger goes up. Left trigger goes down.

You also use the right stick to look left, right, up, or down.

Motion sickness is one of the complaints I've seen a few times that is usually solved by getting more comfortable with the controls, but not always.

Additionally, difficulty finding where you are is something I've seen as a complaint, but only with the DLC.

Some people have difficulty with spatial reasoning which the game does ask for to a significant extent, so if you can't push through that, then that could very well be a holding point.

Controls shouldn't be, though. They're really good flying controls. Humans just don't navigate 3D space naturally, and so that's a new skill that people don't always realize they need to develop.

Even so, if flying is that difficult, you can just hold right trigger to leave the planet, then use autopilot to go everywhere. That is a built-in accessibility feature.

Big_Bob posted...

I prefer following objectives, in which case the game is terrible at pointing you in the right direction. I got frustrated and fed up with playing it.

Sure, the game is atmospheric and unique, but I found it too vague to enjoy.

The game is actually very intelligently designed in directing you where to go with the use of light. Nothing is particularly hidden, and most things are spelled out in plain English.

Bring back Harrich

Bravo

Every 2 weeks is completely ridiculous unless they've been working on them for awhile already.

Zigzagoon posted...

It always had voices. You might be thinking about Nick All Stars which didn't for the longest time.

oops!

clearly I was just using this as an example to why it's smart to have the voices >_>

Seems that voices add a lot to the game

I need to finish Owl House. I was loving it but then my girlfriend wanted to watch the rest of it with me and then we watched Amphibia instead. So I stopped halfway through S2. It was so good though.