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Samus is overrated because she didn't go the full 24 hours with Cloud. As for Mario being stronger indirectly, well, he should probably put up a performance once in awhile giving us some actual confidence in that, but it's a legit (perhaps even majority) stance. That being said, I have a hard time envisioning even a bandwagon Charizard putting up 47% on Cloud.

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It's so obvious it borders on stupidity to deny that Kratos of at least last contest beats Alucard's face in. He put up 45% on Alucard before he boosted the next contest from GoW increased sales, God of War 2 *or* God of War 3.

I don't really care much about the Kratos/Zeus rivalry because I'm not really sold on it, but discounting him (because of, what, Tails? We've had a great read on him since when?) that much is pure denial.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics:

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110

Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture...

What's an Azurin?
Incarnum-infused human. One of the most obvious differences is...glowing eyes. Yeah, it fit way too well to NOT do.

Also, while it is indeed super cheesy, it's worth pointing out that that Mystic Theurge has nothing on an Ur-Priest in spite of all the tricks used. It's surprisingly tame so long as the player doesn't act like a dick, relatively speaking.

I'd put that kind of abusive build up against Ur-Priest any day. Ur-Priest lacks spell slots (severely), caster levels, spontaneous heal/inflict spells, domains... oh, and 9th level spells from the most powerful spell list in the game in *addition* to divine spells. It gets some okay class features, chief among them Steal SLA (although Divine Spell Resistance isn't something I'd ever want to have!), with the main perk being the ability to cast level 9 spells at level 15. If they have Wisdom 28. Which I guess you could have at that level if you started with an 18, put all your level points into it, wore a Periapt of Wisdom +6, and either read a Tome of Understanding +1 or used a wish.

Nothing on an Ur-Priest? Even a Sublime Chord/Ur-Priest using Fochlucan Lyrist to fuse the two is a hard sell (and the Theurge can do the same thing instead of Hierophant, with a bit of work).

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LavaLord posted...
More nits to pick ahoy! Bamboo spirit folk can only technically ever get you into Arcane Hierophant, it grants Trackless Step as a racial ability, the requirement on it is specifically Trackless Step Class Feature, so that requires a generous stretch. Precocious Apprentice I don't actually have a problem with, save you a level or two or three, but nothing too egregious personally, though the only rulings from wotc I can recall do state that you can't actually use it to get in early (though the community at large tends to actively ignore this, citing the general ease of manipulation that could have resulted in the exact opposite ruling). Imbue with Spell Ability is one that I don't see come up too often, and I can't poke a logical hole in it at this moment, as much as I dislike that level of cheese.

I'll only say that my eyebrow has been duly raised here. Only in the most ruleslawyeriest of rules whoring games even *consider* Precocious Apprentice or Imbue With Spell Ability as allowable ways to qualify for PrCs. Meanwhile, squelching someone because they happen to possess the proper prerequisite as a RACIAL ability instead of a CLASS FEATURE... that's a kind of DM niggling I've never experienced in my life. In any case, it's not particularly hard to attain the same level of abuse with a level of Wildrunner after MT - or heck, just going Druid 3/Wizard 1/MT 6/AH 10, which is arguably a better build that doesn't even rely on IWSA.

As far as the power comparison to Pun-pun goes though, I do take exception with that and will happily point out that you are nowhere near it even with all the abuses required to get into this little set.

Counter nit to pick here - you've flagrantly misread the statement. This isn't about whether it's getting up to Pun-Pun in power, it's about whether it's getting up there in ABUSES needed to get to that power... which it very easily is. Heck, reflecting on it, it's probably *exceeding* the abuses inherent to make Pun-Pun from a certain perspective.

As for not having the actions/class features to burn these spells efficiently... uh, no? Ignoring the fact that you can create a horrid amount of buffs to make sure that you are nigh-impossible to harm, there are a number of spells that make a character's action economy more efficient. Arcane Spellsurge is a good one if you *really* just want to use spells like water, and it of course is obvious that the true power behind spells as much as class features are feats.

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Early entry tricks to get into Mystic Theurge are less 'tricks' and more 'ultra abuses stacked onto even bigger abuses'. It basically uses the feat Precocious Apprentice and a friendly cleric using Imbue with Spell Ability to meet the prereqs, and entering with something like Wizard 2/Cleric 1/Mystic Theurge 10. With Bamboo Spirit Folk as your race and some other tweaks, you can even round out the whole crazy shebang with a Wizard 2/Cleric 1/Mystic Theurge 7/Arcane Hierophant 10 that gives casting as a level 19 wizard, a level 18 cleric, and more goodies than you can shake a stick at. Oh, and you're a hop, skip, and a jump away from Pun-Pun as far as abusiveness goes.

Spellthief is one of my favorite classes, I love playing it despite its underpowered nature. I do not even slightly recommend it in this situation. Beginning DMs tend to not go very caster heavy, which is what a spellthief wants to thrive.

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Already nominated it; posting here for posterity.

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