Lurker > Lightning Strikes

Nintendo...

of Europe.

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Just when I'd given up on the series...

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY, SQUARE

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Liquid Wind posted...
your posts are an eyesore and you say ridiculous things like denying that TP stole from SotC, I can't say you ignoring me would be a negative

Why are they an eyesore? No seriously, might as well say something contsructive.

More importantly, all I did was define the line between stealing and influence. TP was probably influenced by SotC, but it did not steal from it. Inspiration is not stealing. Stealing is cases like Limbo of the Lost.

If we all took the same viewpoint there you did, games would never get anywhere, because using your logic every game has stolen from others.

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No

Yes, I know. I am sorry.

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So do you actually have a reasoning behind the insults?

No?

Then don't bother making statements like that unless you're going to back them up. If you don't, your opinions have no value and will ergo be ignored.

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It's funny that you make the teenager comparison, when effectively you're the one doing the whiny, EDGY teenager act. You're basically like the stereotypical teen ho complains about everything like they know it all, but really has no idea what they're talking about.

And when have teenagers ever been known for rational arguments? Likewise, when have stupid people ever been known for rational argument? I'm sorry, but if you really think actually contributing to discussion rather than making yourself look stupid with repeatedly fallacious posts makes you less stupid, then you have a problem.

You have basically dvalued your own opinions, and now are at the point where nobody pays you heed in discussion, because you have nothing worthwhile to say. Nobody gets mad, they just see it as another blindly ignorant Liquid Wind post and feel a bit sad for the possibility of you actually being like that. If they argue with you t's an attempt to understand some of your more outrageous claims, in the hope that maybe, beneath the irrational hate, there's a post worth reading.

But now you have outright admitted that there is not, and I have to ask you. Why contribute to a discussion at all, if you aren't going to contribute anything worthwhile? Why even use a medium designed for dicussion if you aren't going to discuss anything? Unless you have something worth saying, don't say it. You're just wasting your time.

Basically, either go back to being a constructive poster or do everybody includig yourself a favour and stop posting, you contribute nothing.

Intelligent discussion is not a sign of stupidity.

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Oh also I take exception to being mixed up with Liquid and LMS. Not you Leon, you're a bro.

GuessMyUserName posted...
blame "LeonMarioSamus"

Should not have lol'd, but did. Don't forget "LeonMarioSnake"!

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GuessMyUserName posted...
arguing with Liquid Wind

why

I'm allergic to stupid posts. I am aware that this makes me easy troll bait, but as incredibly self-important and whiny as he is, I think Liquid Wind is honestly being serious.

I just can't resist.

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Liquid Wind posted...
Skyrim is an RPG. Zelda is not.

adventure and RPG genres have a lot of overlap, and the fact that zelda is still behind other games like okami and SotC...TP even stole a lot from SotC, speaks pretty badly to how low the zelda series has fallen.

There are overlap between lots of genres. That doesn't mean they all need to share the same traits. There is a distinct line between an Adventure game with RPG elements and an RPG with Adventure game elements. You go to one genre for one type of experience, and the other genre for the latter. This is why Zelda will never have customisation to the same degree Skyrim does. Because it's not even close to the same type of experience as Skyrim. One is a fast paced action adventure that puts a focus on puzzles and action sequences, with some elements of exploration and now customisation. The other is a slow paced action RPG that puts a focus on exploration with some puzzle elements. The two are completely different genres, and saying that one is worse for not being like the other is ridiculous.

The idea that adding these sorts of elements makes the game more advanced is actual nonsense. As in, your argument is based around a logical fallacy. It's clear that you think Zelda is behind SotC and Okami because it lacks SotC's open world (and as someone who loves the game, don't get me started on that one) or Okami's RPG elements or whatever other features. However, do these features inherently make the game better for having them? No. No they do not. They can improve the game, but only if used well within the framework. The Zelda series is not necessarily worse for not having these features because it's never really called for them. It seems to now, with the updated combat, but not previously. Zelda is not worse than Skyrim for not being an RPG.

Your argument is essentially a repeat of the ridiculous Metroid Prime vs. Halo arguments from years back. One side acted like their game was inherently better because it had more exploration and puzzles, the other acted like their game was better because it had denser action. They're both wrong, they should have been looking at the games as what they were rather than wishing they were a complete different subgenre.

Saying TP stole from SotC, while irrelevant, is also equally as ridiculous. Here's the thing. Games are constantly innovating, and as a result, frequently inspire each other. Zelda inspired SotC ispired future Zeldas. long running series take inspiration (and yes, there is a difference between drawing inspiration and stealing; do not use the latter term lightly) from games within the same genre all the time, including games their predecessors helped inspire. It's a natural thing.

Seriously, Liquid Wind, there are opinions and then there is nonsense.

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Liquid Wind posted...
lol zelda

as if the motion controls weren't bad enough it's still so far behind on basic design elements, it's getting completely overshadowed by skyrim for adventure games this winter

Skyrim is an RPG. Zelda is not.

You are effectively complaining that a non-RPG doesn't have as many RPG elements as an RPG.

lol Liquid Wind.

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1>3>2 is indeed the most common opinion of the series, though 1>2>3 is also fairly common. However, all three are considered excellent. I definitely liked MP3 a lot, not as good as the first, but that's one of the best games ever. It does have the best control scheme though, possibly the best console FPS control scheme ever.

As for Other M, it's a highly controversial game, one of the most controversial ever made, so you won't find a consensus. Opinions are all over the shop with it, with people who hate the story but like the gameplay, like the gameplay but hate the controls, like the story but hate the gameplay, people who hate both, and even people who like both the story and the gameplay. The only thing people do agree on is that like the story or no, Samus's monologues are MGS levels of bad writing.

I liked it myself, though it's far from perfect. I'd like to see more Metroid games like it that fix the problems it had, as at its core there is a solid game. It tries to do the interactive movie thing, and I think it does it pretty well, in that it remembers the interactive part. I would recommend it, at least to see which group you fall into.

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That was incomprehensible to me.

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I'm not sure what's worse, the content of the image, or the fact that I've had the displeasure of seeing it before.

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Justin_Crossing posted...
are you seriously sitting across from her telling the internet you want to ask her out instead of asking her out

I came here to post this.

But hey, happy ending.

...Or is it?

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I'll be honest, HM.

The MGS2 debut trailer just wasn't that good.

There are fantastic MGS2 trailers that deserve to be on the list, like this one:

But the E3 2000 trailer? No thanks. Not surprised at all at its absence, and don't even think it deserved an honourable mention. I'm sorry, but it was needlessly long, and worst of all, dull.

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I'd completely disregarded the KHII Final Mix+ cinematic, but in retrospect I'm very glad to see it there. Also nice to see Tomb Raider, and that TP trailer with the awesome song.

Wrath of the Lich King Opening should have been higher though.

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Today, I read Animal Man and Swamp Thing. They were great, Animal Man in particular was exceptional.

Today, I read Batgirl. It... wasn't great.

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Liquid Wind posted...
most recent game was ST I think? the only difficulty I had with that game was because of its terrible controls, who decided touch only controls was still a great idea after what an abortion phantom hourglass was?

It had legitiate difficulty through design, and is the hardest Zelda since Link's Awakening IMO. And the controls were great-far from the problem with Phantom Hourglass. The problem with Phantom Hourglass was the terrible design choices.

And it's still better than the original, though that really isn't hard.

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Spirit Tracks.

And anyway, Twilight Princess may have been easy, but it doesn't compare to Wind Waker in that regard.

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The original Zelda isn't that good, so I don't care.

The modern games (and by that, I mean all of them since ALttP, since there's a hell of a disconnect between the first two and the rest) are pretty much massive improvements in every conceivable way. There's a hell of a lot more content, and while exploration maybe somewhat more limited (in that you can't go almost everywhere in the world right away) there's a lot more to find, so exploration in later games actually has a point. The enhanced focus on story is also an improvement, because frankly, while you say the story quality hasn't improved, are you really going to say you can compare Wind Waker and Twilight Princess to Ocarina of Time in terms of writing, let alone the original? ater games in the series gave entertaining, memorable plots. The original Zelda gave a mangled paragraph that told you to read the manual to understand what was going on. Ill tkae the former, even if it wasn't perfect, thanks.

I could go on, but I'd be repeating the same basic point. Comparing the original Zelda to the rest of the series is like comparing a skeleton to a full bodied man.

And its difficulty is worse too. The game is prone to massive difficulty spikes and drops, because it's just not balanced properly. I felt more challenged by Wind Waker (which I agree is too easy, and I don't mind easy games most times) than by the last dungeon or two of Zelda 1, which seems very wrong when I was pulling my hair out a mere hour before that. Besides, the most recent Zelda was pretty hard, so I wouldn't worry about trends in difficulty. But I'd rather easy games to Zelda 1.

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Ed Bellis posted...
long ago, on a distant site

I, SBAllen, the shapeshifting admin of darkness

unleashed an UNSPEAKABLE EVIL

but a FOOLISH BANANA wielding a mod dispute stepped forth to oppose me

Perfect post, well done.

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GranzonEx posted...
Rankings of issue 40. Ignoring the placement of manga with color pages, which obviously has an advantage over the others, I'm not surprised Toriko dropped from the top three. OP is as strong as ever even at its worst arc ever, the Japanese are mesmerized by Oda. Bleach made it out of the bottom! The shinigami really did make a difference huh? And lmao Magico, if it's that low, I can't imagine how bad Enigma is.

The chapters are from ~8 weeks ago. So the Bleach increase had nothing to do with the Shinigami, the chapter ranked was from before they showed up.

Speaking of Bleach, the new chapter has a really horrible translation out now. Worth sticking through it for the last page.

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Well, I haven't seen any spoilers so far, and have been ignoring spoiler tagged stuff. Good job on not going into a spoilerfest, guys.

I'm tempting fate, aren't I?

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So the mechon attack was pretty nuts.

...I'm so far behind.

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I'm just surprised the Human Revolution trailer was so low.

I thought that would have a shot at number 1.

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...Interesting.

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Finally got my copy. Man, I live in the UK and all these Americans have got the game before me. Ah wll, my fault for having it sent to the wrong place. Ah well.

Played a little, really liking it so far, but I'm a bit overwhelmed by the massive amount of stuff to do. And I have been doing it all. I wonder how long until I give up on quests...

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Bigwig_rah posted...
They wouldn't be killing their sales. If it is a redesign then they probably stopped producing normal 3DS' and are just selling through the existing stock. The new one will launch at the same price and completely replace the old one.

Also assuming the redesign would launch immediately.

It's not making that assumption because the announcement would cause people to stop buying and wait for the redesign, especially if it's at the same price. Announcements do affect the market.

And they won't stop regular 3DS production either. They haven't done that with a redesign right away, ever, as far as I know. And why would they? There are profits to be made from selling the original at a reduced price. Not to mention how you make a massive assumption which is really all this topic has: huge assumptions and baseless guesses.

Actually, the very reason for this topic is semantics. Nothing has been presented as evidence to show any hint of a redesign.

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TRE Public Account posted...
Can't the "new product" in "new product announcement conference" refer to new games and not a redesign?

It took 30 posts for someone to mention this.

But really, guys, calm down. This is all completely baseless speculation. Announcing a redesign at this point does not make any business sense, and there is no evidence at all that Nintendo will do so. Especially not now, right when 3DS sales are at a high. Do they want to instantly kill a 7x increase in sales numbers? Of course not. If anything they'd be pushing a 3DS redesign back right now.

There is no logical reason to assume they will announce a redesign at TGS. Probably not even E3 2012. Next TGS, maybe.

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Well it made me laugh more than feel depressed for humanity.

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I remember this too

Still funny, and a little sad.

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I got the Coffin ending first, and felt that it actually improved my experience, even if you'll see everything in it when you get the true ending. I think it increases your understanding of what happens when you go through the bad endings. That said, if you don't get it first it is kinda pointless.

I would definitely recommend you go in blind though. Half of the fun is not knowing which ending you're going to get the first couple of times.

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As someone who doesn't mind most of the edits already made to the Original Trilogy, even prefers them in some cases...

This really sucks. Especially the rape noises. I mean, who listens to that and thinks "yeah, this works well in a serious scene".

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Depends how we're defining overrated. Public response? Critical response? What about games which split opinions? There are a lot of well-reviewed games with vocal, often numerous haters. And FFVII, for instance, is so often regarded as overrated its hard to see it as overrated any more (though a few years ago, that was certainly my pick. It isn't really held in such high regard anymore I think).

But... Here, I would probably say Majora's Mask. In general... Okami, maybe. Or Bioshock.

And I liked all three of those games, but they really don't deserve a lot of the acclaim they get.

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"It's actually iced coffee."

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Yes.

Link, of course, should stay silent. And no, that's not trying to say that the story should suffer, plenty of games with excellent storylines have silent protagonists. The thing is, unike Samus or Mario, Link has always been silent, to the point where it's a key part of his character. Hell, recent games have taken to pointing it out. If Link spoke, that would kind of take away part of his charm. Not saying the series shouldn't change, but we also can't take out what makes it good in the first place.

But everybody else? Sure, the series should have had voice acting from Twilight Princess. The more cinematic cutscenes of that game (and, from what we've seen, Skyward Sword) really call for voice acting, especially since the series has an increasing focus on plot.

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Amazing. Just... amazing.

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They've already done this, though it has not actually been spliced into the film proper.

Now here's a CG addition that would actually be necessary. CG Yoda looked good, the ep 1 puppet... did not.

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X-Men, however Thor was great, don't let the naysayers get you down.

X-Men First Class, however, is one of the best superhero films ever made.

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Hey, I've actually played all of these.

B
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I'm not saying you're stupid because of your opinion. But I do think that, if presented to literary or film critics as an example of a great story, it would be laughed out of the room. This is not true for all games.

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Y'see, this is why game writing isn't taken seriously enough.

People are so desperate for anything that they say anything with the slightest hint of complexity is some amazing masterpiece of storytelling. If Deadly Preminition's story is the best we can do, stop the medium, I want to get off!

Note: I am not saying there are no truly great stories in video games, there are. Just that Deadly Preminition is not a good example, at least when seen unironically.

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GANON1025 posted...
How can you say the story is terrible??

Because it was a bizarre hodge-podge of so many different things that it becae utterly incomprehensible, all semblance of sanity and drama lost in a sea of bathos and pop culture references. Keep in mind though, that this made it extremely entertaining. The game got everything wrong, but so right.

Also, the real best horror game of the generation had its sequel announced today, just so you know. There's already a topic about it.

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It's the "greatest" game of all time alright.

It certainly succeeds in following its B-movie heritage. Like so many horror B-movies, this is a horror B-game. It does sadden me that some people take it seriously though, when it likely wasn't supposed to have been.

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Appropriately timed, as I just beat this (just for the record, it was awesome, my mind was well andd truly blown).

This is very good news.

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Oh yes, here's a good one: Bioshock 2.

The main reason is Sofia Lamb. Retconning her into the backstory completely ruins the setting of the first game, and makes Andrew Ryan much less impressive.

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I can get behind that MGS4 mention. It was so determined to tie everything in that it ruined a lot of the characters, too be frank. It completely changed much of the cast to the point where what made them so interesting and likeable in the rest of the series was gone, and if you go back and revisit those games, you can no longer look at them in the same way. Effectively, it retroactively made the characters worse.

Actually, anything that does that. I can't think of any examples right away, but I know that isn't the only example and I hate it every time.

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First up, I would just like to say Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo at the prospect of a Tangled TV sequel. I loved Tangled, but man, this feels so wrong.

Secondly, Rescues Down Under is really cheating, because that was the only theatrical Disney sequel, and it shows. This is also why King of Thieves was easily the best of the direct-to-video sequels, because it had much higher production values than the rest.

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I for one liked the slower, more character driven approach of Part 1. It was certainly the best at characterisation of the films, though it had its own problems. That said, I preferred the faster paced part 2, and felt that it and HBP (my favourites of the series) managed to provide both good characterisation without forsaking the main plot or the action.

Would have been nice if they'd added 10 minutes each to not cut out 90% of the backstory, but hey, I never said they were perfect.

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RyokIes posted...
heard about this the other day. there's word its fake

God, I hope so.

Also ExTha, that's... borderline psychotic, dude.

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