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KingButz posted...
I wouldn't put Five Guys, Shake Shack, or Habit Burger in the same category as the rest
same. it's been a hot minute, but i'm pretty sure those are 2 or 3 times more expensive than the others
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great list! i appreciate the care put into it, and understand why that last one required some time. putting TotA on my backlog as we speak!

i've wanted to but never successfully gotten into the... idk what to call them, jrpg/arpg hybrids, but that was due to some middling introductory experiences. it seems like the genre can be a minefield that way. jrpgs in general can be a guilty pleasure to start with
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losing your stuff sounds super frustrating. i'm cool with either way. push comes to shove i prefer reading, but i'd listen, too

azuarc posted...
Sierra was the preeminent maker of adventure games back in the day
absolutely. i had a love-hate relationship with the genre. i guess i still do, but modern ones are usually careful to avoid most of the rougher edges
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It's just like all the final fantasies- you're intended to beeline to the main plot, so the optional stuff is for the crazies who just want an excuse to spend more time in the game
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Yeah. At least you don't need to be good at parrying- unless you're equipping pictos/weapons centered around it

I don't remember any mandatory fight requiring it. And any optional fight that felt like I NEEDED to dodge/parry everything to stay alive was clearly one you're intended to come back for later

Normally when I wanna play an action game, I play an action game. When I wanna play a planning game I play a turn based rpg. It feels luxurious to be able to let go of the controller whenever I want. Like the direct opposite of how games used to throw QTEs in the middle of cutscenes
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Probably gonna ruin the joke by making someone explain it, but is this a "who would win" or "could donkey kong win" series?
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my friend had a subscription to pc magazine. i remember reading an article about diablo 2- i got so hyped to play a necromancer

iirc d3 was the first one to feature an always-online requirement. i think that was the part that bothered me the most. but that, too, leads back to the RMT as they needed always-online to keep the hackers from spawning infinite SoJ or whatever and crashing the market
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Solid games there

I simultaneously can't and totally can believe how old Skyrim is at this point.

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Yeah. I guess I accidentally deleted my earlier post, but I blabbed about how the "boomer shooter" genre wasn't defined until the late 2010s, prior to that they were all just called fps

So in that respect half-life is just a really good boomer shooter (hold tons of weapons, no regenerating health, etc) with the graphics, NPC/environment interactivity, and storytelling boosted a bunch. So you can kinda just call it an fps

And portal is a first person physics puzzle game, if puzzle isn't detailed enough, along with talos, qube, and superliminal
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"boomer shooter" wasn't a term for a long time. they were just fps. it wasn't until retro games started emulating 90s shooters that the term was invented, i think. so half-life is essentially a really good boomer shooter with the hard edges sanded down and the NPC/environment interactivity and active storytelling jacked up. doesn't quite feel right calling it one, though. maybe it can be grandfathered in as "the" fps

the others are for sure immersive sims

portal is a puzzle game. you can tack on extra categories if you want. i might call it a first person physics puzzle game, i guess. along with talos, qube, superliminal
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if you like evangelion and already saw 2.22222, i feel like you gotta finish. even if only to interpret for yourself what anno was going for. the ending is notable, at least. i wanna say more but i can't without at least some incidental spoilers

i won't lie, parts of the experience will be extremely tedious. so it's up 2 u
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I find that hard to believe
it seems crazy, right? i obviously wasn't there, and it looks like my info may have been a little exaggerated. here's a quote from 1999:
IMG: Halo has been in development for over a year and a half now. Can you talk about Halo's beginnings as a strategy game and how it transitioned to a 3rd person action game?

JJ: There's an important distinction to make there - Halo didn't begin as a strategy game but the engine it uses started out that way. The engine Halo uses began as a next-generation Myth terrain engine, with polygonal units. After playing around with it for a while, putting it through many iterations, it became clear that focusing the action on a single character would be a more compelling use of this world than a strategy game design. It didn't become Halo until long after we focused on making it a third-person action game.
which one can interpret as they will, haha. idk where the interviewer got the idea for the question
considering it's set in the Marathon universe, which is distinctly an FPS.
i knew halo was a spiritual successor to marathon, didn't realize it was the same universe. that's cool
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i'll vote when i can. signed up for the discord so i'll have a better sense of when matches are gonna be going up

don't think i was around in 2005, but i was 100% here for zeratul's clown shoes, if anyone knows what year that was
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maxis, before they devoted themselves to the sims full time, had so many random, cool games. i do remember the og simcity having better disasters than 2000 (iirc there was a 'godzilla' button)

i knew a few people that were weirdly obsessed with katamari damacy and would sing the song, so i unfairly hated it before i had even seen the game, lol

i saw homm3 at a cousin's house and thought it was the coolest thing ever. eventually got homm4 and was underwhelmed. then a decade-plus later when i eventually got a copy of homm3 for myself... the magic was gone. says more about me than the game, but it sticks out in my memory because i haven't experienced that many times

thanks for reminding me about myth- i played myth 1 for half an hour on someone's mac once, i think waiting at my dad's workplace. couldn't remember the name of it until this topic. every rts without base building that i'm aware of is absolutely brutal. i think my intro was the ps1 warhammer game, which i couldn't beat, even with cheats. i love the trivia that halo was gonna be an rts until the testers/devs got obsessed with playing around with the warthog physics
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puyo puyo tetris is great
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idk how i obtained colonization, but i tried it for the first time earlier this year as part of design research on endgame events. it's wild how different the game plays from civ with the tweaks it makes. on top of the economy/trade changes, the method of recruitment of "founding fathers" makes it extra board-gamey vs standard 4x (good/neutral change)

azuarc posted...
Nothing that extreme.
ha sorry, i was pulling your leg a little. one of those games came out 2 years ago, the other 5

it does seem impossible to make a version of colonization that wouldn't make at least somebody mad. according to what i've read, the main accusation of the existing one is the notable absence of references to slavery, but it's hard to imagine people being happier about a game that encourages you to be a slaver
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why did you did this

https://www.twitch.tv/kitboga/clip/PiliableColdWolfPastaThat
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Wait! Stop! I'm from the future

If you never finish this list, you'll have eternal youth- you'l be eternally 30! The topic will age in your stead like the painting of Dorian Gray!
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my family had a game from the tie fighter vs x wing series... but for some reason it wouldn't run on any of our computers. oops! i've always been teeerrrible at the genre- aiming & guesstimating the target's future location is hard. always sorta wanted a 'realistic' space battle game, where sides launched projectiles from light-minutes away at relativistic speeds. throw out preconceived notions, get some hard sci-fi authors and NASA scientists advising

hadn't heard of the other two games. they look fun

azuarc posted...
Up next: A historically-themed game that sensitive people might find problematic today.
hentai sniper: middle-east
six days in fallujah?
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og game boy rpgs were at the absolute perfect level of simplicity/complexity for playing while outside the home

I don't think it's just nostalgia
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If you don't like mysteries or puzzles, definitely don't play a mystery puzzle game lol

For years whenever someone has asked me for book/movie/show/game recommendations, I have started by asking what their existing interests are

Don't worry about what I enjoy because at this point I can't bring myself to pick a game I know I'd enjoy.
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it's just a word to use instead of ones like stuff/thing/shit/junk/-ass, i think. it's not worse than any of the alternatives! i only became aware of it around 2021
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i feel like dnd is the connective tissue between lord of the rings and all modern fantasy, essentially the parent where lotr is the grandparent. for better or for worse

it's hard to justify picking anything else
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JackMan posted...
Cards I'm after are:
Kanto shinies
Nidoran F is my only dupe, but I have a decent number of kanto shinies I'm willing to trade for red Gyarados
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f068dd25.jpg
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I did appreciate how the weapons could significantly mix up how any of the characters played

junk_funk posted...
Battle Power:
Maelle >> Monoco > Lune > Verso >> Sciel
I don't feel confident ranking the characters' relative power because I feel like any of them could be bonkers in the main game, and I didn't get to the toughest optional content

andylt posted...
and I never used Monoco much but I'm not big on Blue Mages in general.
Yeah, blue mages are nearly always broken, but in some games they're absolutely a 2nd-playthrough/follow-a-guide/turbo-completionist option. So as a general policy I avoid them on first playthroughs. Monaco was- sadly- relegated to spamming "OWowOWWW" during exploration

I could tell Verso was gonna be strong, but I didn't want to stress about parrying via the perfection mechanic so never used him. Plus, I didn't want to use him at the start due to the way he was introduced. There's even a fight or two that forces him into the party without warning, so that was funny. As an additional result, I think the 1v1 fight with monaco in camp was the fight i died the most on in the entire game. I did see youtube videos of verso free aim spam but never got it to work satisfyingly for me

I lucked into Maelle's overpowered (start in Virtuose stance) weapon early, so Maelle was an insane carry from then on. Even though it had already been nerfed/had lowish stats, it made every non-optional fight trivial in combination with stacking those "1.5x damage for first turn(s)" pictos, and the other two characters would just try to go first and buff/debuff. Maelle had the inverted condition for like 85% of my playthrough, ha

Lune was terribly strong in my early/mid game (high dps AoE slow is good, imagine that) and fell off at some point, but was still a strong debuffer/healer. Totally could have figured something out with her endgame skills but dps was already covered. Her stains mechanic was my favorite for sure, and every weapon seemed to put a completely different spin on it.

Sciel had a similar power curve. I liked her sun/moon mechanic just fine, but since most fights ended quickly I rarely got to flex with it.
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azuarc posted...
It's less that you're a turbo weakling and more that I needed to learn how the game worked. In fact, Bethesda games since Oblivion are bad about the opposite
True! I was mostly thinking about Morrowind. Going from moving seemingly 2 feet a minute and dying to mud crabs to sprinting around crafting insane stat buff potions and rings of levitation, 100% camouflage, regen, etc was an experience.

Defense Grid: The Awakening
Your hint makes so much sense now. There's absolutely something about the TD genre. I've been aware of it since my StarCraft 1 user map settings days*. On my end... I made up excuses for losing and have used that to justify staying away from TDs for the most part.

Iirc the main mechanic was usually balancing rapid fire DPS, heavy DPS, AoE DPS, debuff towers, and economy. Not to mention air vs ground, any elemental affinities, and whatever extra mechanics they felt like plopping in. Plus actually arranging the mazes. Whenever I lost I'd blame having not properly memorized all the waves and proper tower ratios

But it's fun anyway.

*The most popular sc1 TD map I remember vividly was "defend the wtc". It sucked, and i didn't play it more than twice, but it was always running and pretty much sums up the early 2000s edgelord humor that transformed into 4chan and beyond. It's been weird seeing the lineage grow from there to where it is today
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That's great. I think in ff14 in particular there's no reasonable argument against it

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ZaziGuado posted...
I always used Lune for traversal not because of the footsteps but because I didn't want to hear the panting.
The panting was absolutely part of it, and so was the slight jerkiness when the character models ran into certain changes in elevation
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Also, I couldn't agree more about button mapping

The growing pains with Fallout were many, as I died quite often trying to learn the systems, and more still just due to the natures of the game itself.
I really do not enjoy the experience of starting as a turbo weakling in Bethesda games, but I'll be damned if it doesn't make getting crazy overpowered later on that much sweeter
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As overly negative/harsh as I just was about post apocalyptic settings, I've been wanting to get into fallout forever! It somehow hasn't quite happened yet. I was ready to jump in with new Vegas on steam at one point. Unfortunately, my version of Windows decided to be a big baby about it, and then I moved and forgot to follow up. I just put the series on the backlog

I know 1 & 2 are very different from the rest, and for every person that claims the series was ruined by fallout <x>, I know someone else that loves fallout <x>, so there's gotta be something there. Strong art is loved and hated, while weak art is accepted by everyone, or however the quote goes

Isquen posted...
My guess is Balatro
Balatro would totally make sense. I went from "this looks stupid" to "this is ridiculously fun" to "I need to uninstall now or I'm going to get hopelessly addicted" over the course of a few days after being gifted it. The sheer volume of balatro clones currently in the works seems telling

I don't have a better guess. I'll throw in... Minecraft?
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Mobilezoid posted...
I pick Lune because when you run with her as your main character while exploring, she floats and it's cool
she was always the main one i was controlling for sure. just feels better/smoother to float than sprint everywhere like a crazy person
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My cousin, a coworker friend, and an old roommate all separately loved the crap out of that series. It all came together when I realized they would blaze right before booting it up, ha

I know *it* isn't a roguelike but the weapons feel like they are.
I get what you mean. To quibble, the weapons felt more diabloesque than roguelike to me, not that there's a significant difference

The specific venn diagram of people I co-op with also bounced off, so I didn't get far. My favorite borderlands is the telltale game, ha

I don't like squinting at item stat blocks, I don't like numbers popping out of enemies when I shoot them, I don't like flippant cruelty, I don't like bad plots or MMO style quests in non mmos even when lampshaded, I'm not a huge fan of drab post apocalyptic settings, I like when enemies react or stagger when shot... Add it all up, and while most of these are endemic to the genre, there were other titles that hooked me more
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thanks to whoever sent me the thing on my wishlist, the username flew out of my brain immediately
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SM64 was such an awesome intro to 3d gaming. I also remember blockbuster console rentals- our family specifically rented the n64 & GoldenEye once or twice. Renting is a crazy idea financially, but our parents didn't want to be console owners. Was fun to see what kind of save files other people left on the cartridges
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LA is significantly improved with QoL stuff in the remake (and "hd" fan version, if you prefer the og art style)

I tried going back to the og, and having only two buttons for items was pain, and the slow multi box text every time you accidentally touched a pot was pain, as two examples. Funny how we were able to look past that stuff back in the day
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I had only ever seen the "cream of the crop" one, this is great. How many of these were there?
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Maniac64 posted...
This plus a lack of interaction with people different from them are the biggest drivers in my experience. Cities are full of bad/scary people who aren't like you.
hundred percent, i didn't want to get into that but that's what i was alluding to with 'cultural and experiential homogeneity'. certainly not unique to rural areas, but everything they know about cities seems to come from the TV, not real life. Mostly... sensationalist propaganda news, CSI: Special Victims Unit, and robocop.

This is a bit unrealistically patronizing, but they don't have the experience to know what's accurate and what's exaggerated for entertainment. Kinda like how I perceived sex comedies when I was in middle school!
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foolm0r0n posted...
Farmers in the US are largely rural, which means they are religious. Republicans have fully captured the religious in the US. It has nothing to do with economics for them.
That's an oversimplification, and it depends on the region, but yeah rural farmers and rural people in general have been on average culturally captured by the Republican party for a long time.

In some cases it's not even directly related to traditional religion at this point, at least among the right-wing-farmer-origin family/friends I have. It's the demonization of urban areas, the "you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps because you're a good person, everyone else is bad people" pandering, and the cultural & experiential homogeneity making democratic priorities seem bad. Not to mention the media full court press of the past 30 years, but that's not unique to rural.

All this in my limited experience/humble opinion, of course. I could go into more detail/nuance, but I feel like you all already get it
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Holy crap some of the new qol improvements were sorely needed. Been wishing for card counts on wonder pick forever, same with collapsible sets on card search

Also, this is the first update in a while that hasn't screwed up my game's cache and forced a clear
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If you like 90s/2000s action/on the run movies at all (ironically or unironically) you'd probably enjoy it. Can't say for sure, though. Tone is different. Solid 7.9/10, elevated for being co-op. It's just not Pixar or DreamWorks, you know? Standout moment was for sure the final playable segment
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Hey, someone else who tried rift! I was fully independent for the first time in 2011, and I wanted to use part of that freedom to get in on the ground floor of a good MMO experience. Rift was one I tried. Couldn't get any friends into it and was sucked back into wow pretty quickly

The class/subclass system was super neat. I at least tried every class and tried to focus on the more unusual subclasses. Iirc every class's primary mechanic was combo points. The rift events were cool, although in my early experience they were massive lagfests. Aside from the above, it felt like a carbon copy of wow (including the pointless faction divide) with fewer interesting race options. Iirc they were dwarf, elf, blue elf, human, human, and blue human.

Sooo many wow clones in those years. Took a long time for the big studios to branch out their MMO offerings

azuarc posted...
Up next: I work very hard to make sure my recorded playtime matches my actual time in the seat by logging out when I'm done, but that couldn't be helped in this case.
... cookie clicker? ha
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I do have that completionist itch, but I can't justify spending the hourglasses when B1 (aka a presumably keystone set of actual new cards) is coming up. I'm calling this set a wash- not gonna bother going for the dex achievements. I bought the oricorio badge, sorry Greninja.
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Utility
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i can't speak authoritatively to the actual gameplay (i am turbo casual aka suck), but the animations look solid
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Verso is always entertaining!
Same, I did warm up to verso as I was allowed to learn more about him
kevwaffles posted...
Tbf at that point I think there's nothing Clea could have done anyway.
That did seem possible. Painter magic is left so open ended that it's hard to say for sure
andylt posted...
This isn't a criticism, I like that they have her be such a blatant bastard.
Same, strongly defined characters are so great
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Mr_Lasastryke posted...
I don't think there's a new one. We're still using the old one.
Fair, it'd be an uphill battle regardless. Another community I'm privy to has mostly migrated, but Google refuses to index the new one
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Yep, endless space is a 4x whereas Stellaris is more of a 4x/grand strategy hybrid

the endless games are an okay way to dip into "actual"- aka beyond polytopia- 4x in my experience. I like how clean/clear they are about how the "FIDS" (food, industry, dust, science) system works and how easy it is to look at the data

I have a love/hate thing with the genre, and can understand how they could all look the same. Tbh I had to go check and make sure I had the ones we're talking about correct. I used to think/say that 4x isn't fun, it just constantly gives you the feeling that it's gonna be fun in ten turns after you get this one thing done

But Stellaris is... I guess the nice way to put it is that it's super complex, designed for people that are already obsessed with the genre. The first X hours are 1) pretty overwhelming and 2) not fun, even if you do know what you're doing
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