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Was Indiana Jones 5 generally considered bad? I missed literally all the buzz and talk around it when it came out. I watched it recently and thought it was good, obviously not as good as the og trilogy but definitely better than 4.
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I honestly don't have any idea how Indy 5 was received. I didn't see that one.
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I feel like Indy 5 came and went without much fanfare
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Leonhart4 posted...
I feel like Indy 5 came and went without much fanfare
It definitely caused some fanfare in terms of how much money it was losing. As for the movie itself, not so much.
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Indiana Jones 5 wasn't great, but it made at least some profit. Although, Wikipedia says Madame Web made 11 million dollars in profit, so what do I know.
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I thought Indiana Jones 5 was like, close to unwatchably bad except for a couple of moments, but idk, some people seem to have liked it more than that
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Indiana Jones 5 wasn't great, but it made at least some profit. Although, Wikipedia says Madame Web made 11 million dollars in profit, so what do I know.

Budget doesn't include marketing costs. The usual estimate is that films need to gross twice their budget to break even. Since neither of those did, they both lost money. (And presumably Indiana Jones lost way more due to its much higher budget.)
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Indy 5 was okay at best. Mainly a 5 (possibly 5.5) out of 10 movie; better than Crystal Skull, nowhere near the OG trilogy
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Xeybozn posted...
The usual estimate is that films need to gross twice their budget to break even
At least twice. 2.5x is the 'safe' bet these days. For Indy 5 we got:

Budget: $295-300 million
Box office: $384 million

It potentially lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Okay, I literally just watched Dial of Destiny because of this.

It's fine, as long as you're able to have a healthy suspension of disbelief at the coincidences, plot armor, CG, etc. Nothing as stupid as the refrigerator, swinging with monkeys, or aliens thankfully. Has some decent moments but obviously not on the level of the first three films. I feel like the female lead didn't quite have the charisma to pull off her role.
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It did feel like Dial of Destiny didn't have anywhere near the marketing of Crystal Skull, but that is completely anecdotal and quite possibly very wrong.
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Nonetheless, a lot of effort and $80 million went into creating the most flamboyant product placement ever designed for a soft drink.

someone check Pepsi stock since Web and see if it's gone up

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kevwaffles posted...
It did feel like Dial of Destiny didn't have anywhere near the marketing of Crystal Skull, but that is completely anecdotal and quite possibly very wrong.
I think it's more that people were less hyped for DoD because Crystal Skull wasn't very liked.
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If I had to do a tier list of product placement in movies, I dont know if anything would beat the Dunkaccino musical number in Jack and Jill and the Waynes World anti-product placement product placement

but I think Ezekiel getting crushed by product placement is pretty great and would place high
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Dunkaccino, which doesn't even exist anymore. Coincidence?
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The other day I found out that if you search for "Dunkaccino" on Wikipedia it auto-redirects to Al Pacino instead of Dunkin Donuts which is amazing.
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MacArrowny posted...
I think it's more that people were less hyped for DoD because Crystal Skull wasn't very liked.

Yeah I didn't hear people talking much about Dial before it came out.
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This is abysmal on every conceivable level. It's badly cast and the screenplay is atrocious in that this feels like a terrible first draft that somebody rushed out in the first week.

god is good we are back to 12%
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Also Morbin Track - Web still needs $77 million worldwide to catch the vampire
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ZenOfThunder posted...
If I had to do a tier list of product placement in movies, I dont know if anything would beat the Dunkaccino musical number in Jack and Jill and the Waynes World anti-product placement product placement

but I think Ezekiel getting crushed by product placement is pretty great and would place high

literally nothing beats Double Team

that was high art
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Germane to really nothing, but here's an interesting popularity list from 2007 on one of the comic websites with the most traffic at the time: https://www.cbr.com/top-100-dc-and-marvel-characters-master-list/

Man, that was what, right before Arkham Asylum? Right before Harley started skyrocketing? She's not on the list - I'd be curious to see where she fell today. Ivy also misses.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Man, that was what, right before Arkham Asylum? Right before Harley started skyrocketing? She's not on the list - I'd be curious to see where she fell today. Ivy also misses.

they did one for 2023, Harley is 13th

https://www.cbr.com/2023-top-100-dc-and-marvel-characters-of-all-time-master-list/
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kevwaffles posted...
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Good take except for saying that audiences are "extremely smart." That's just hilarious. People are stupid as fuck, that's why these corporations try, and do, get away with so much bullshit.
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Waluigi1 posted...
Good take except for saying that audiences are "extremely smart." That's just hilarious. People are stupid as fuck, that's why these corporations try, and do, get away with so much bullshit.

Yes and no. People like to say that media literacy is at an all time low but really it's more that people like to show their ass for no reason on social media. And by no reason I usually really mean shoehorn things into an unflinching worldview, but I digress.

I'd say that "extremely smart" is too far and probably pandering, but even if audiences aren't smarter I would say they're more discerning. If for no other reason, there are too many movies and shows and etc in this genre to watch everything by most people's standards.

However, even if I'm just completely off base, budgets are simply too bloated for the same wide-net tactics to work, let alone to continually dig deeper.
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Waluigi1 posted...
People are stupid as fuck, that's why these corporations try, and do, get away with so much bullshit.
The fallacy here is that, yes, there are enough stupid people to keep stupid corporate bullshit afloat. But the total market is far greater than that, and true success does require tapping into the majority part of the market, which is very savvy nowadays. A proper strategy can't rely on repeat business from those few stupid people.
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Cinematic disasters shouldnt be this boring. Directed by S.J. Clarkson, Madame Web is a collection of misfires and missteps, awkward dialogue, weightless action, shoehorned-in referencesall told without any sense of urgency at all.
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I think broadly speaking the vast majority of audiences aren't very good at choosing quality entertainment, and you can easily make a hit movie with bad writing and acting and design as long as it hits the right buttons and has a well known cast and advertises like hell. You can sell dreck to a mass audience and they'll eat it up. We've have plenty of examples of it.

I think the takeaway however that it's possible, and frankly easy, to make a movie that's too stupid for even the stupid people. You don't have to put out a quality product to be rewarded for it, but that doesn't mean people will watch anything.
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That reminds me of when one of the anti-anti-progressive YouTubers I follow posted a clip of their response to a MauLer podcast called "The Assassination of Chris Stuckmann by the Coward Chris Stuckmann" (which was a reaction to Stuckmann's video on Madame Web which he did not consider to be a proper review but more a commentary on how the movie allegedly represents the worst of the studio system) where I saw The Critical Drinker say "Sony probably wants a good Madame Web movie". While this may be true in the broadest sense possible, how naive would you have to be to realize after all the horror stories that have come out about the entertainment industry that executives typically care more about selling crap than about making quality art? Especially considering this particular studio's track record with Spider-Man...oh wait, I guess Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 are too far in the past for people to remember.

Since both movies in question are reasonably relevant to Madame Web, I'll say I broadly had similar problems with both Venom and Captain Marvel regarding how those movies seemed to substitute potential substance either movie could have had for what moviegoing audiences would find bankable regarding the Venom character and the MCU respectively. That's also why I thought the idea Disney had to inflate the latter movie's box office was laughable right from the get go, and even discounting its sequel genuinely bombing hard (apparently it's doing well on streaming though?) I've realized even more holes in that theory as time passes (e.g. the fact Dark Phoenix bombed so hard that Disney reported a financial underperformance for that fiscal quarter in spite of Endgame, so evidently they weren't concerned about covering losses there. Not to mention Disney was in the process of finalizing a $60 billion+ acquisition of another entire movie studio when Captain Marvel came out - inflating one movie's box office wouldn't be so much uncharacteristically evil for Disney so much as it would be uncharacteristically petty).

Speaking of which, The Marvels bombing because Disney couldn't promote it properly (due to the actor's strike) is another example of how stupid moviegoing audiences are since I can fully believe the kinds of people who would normally watch Marvel movies weren't even aware it had come out and only see them because of their event status. And on a similar note, movies like Gods of Egypt (incidentally same writers as Madame Web) and the live-action Ghost in the Shell getting overshadowed by whitewashing controversies limiting the amount of coverage the press was willing to give movies like those also makes it clear how important it is to get the word out. I also probably brought up earlier how I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there was market research showing that female moviegoers had a higher preference for seeing female leads than male moviegoers for their gender. Doesn't help I know at least one instance where a creative was allegedly told to confrontationally accuse people of sexism for not seeing their movie (Elizabeth Banks regarding her failed Charlie's Angels revival), so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the same was true for cases like Paul Feig and Ghostbusters, Tim Miller and Terminator: Dark Fate (doesn't help he disowned it afterwards), James Mangold and the new Indiana Jones movie, etc.

On a more positive note, the highest-grossing comic book movie last year domestically had a woman and a black guy in the lead. And the highest-grossing comic book movie the year before domestically had a black woman in the lead. Go woke, go broke!
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
That reminds me of when one of the anti-anti-progressive YouTubers I follow posted a clip of their response to a MauLer podcast called "The Assassination of Chris Stuckmann by the Coward Chris Stuckmann" (which was a reaction to Stuckmann's video on Madame Web which he did not consider to be a proper review but more a commentary on how the movie allegedly represents the worst of the studio system) where I saw The Critical Drinker say "Sony probably wants a good Madame Web movie". While this may be true in the broadest sense possible, how naive would you have to be to realize after all the horror stories that have come out about the entertainment industry that executives typically care more about selling crap than about making quality art? Especially considering this particular studio's track record with Spider-Man...oh wait, I guess Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 are too far in the past for people to remember.

Since both movies in question are reasonably relevant to Madame Web, I'll say I broadly had similar problems with both Venom and Captain Marvel regarding how those movies seemed to substitute potential substance either movie could have had for what moviegoing audiences would find bankable regarding the Venom character and the MCU respectively. That's also why I thought the idea Disney had to inflate the latter movie's box office was laughable right from the get go, and even discounting its sequel genuinely bombing hard (apparently it's doing well on streaming though?) I've realized even more holes in that theory as time passes (e.g. the fact Dark Phoenix bombed so hard that Disney reported a financial underperformance for that fiscal quarter in spite of Endgame, so evidently they weren't concerned about covering losses there. Not to mention Disney was in the process of finalizing a $60 billion+ acquisition of another entire movie studio when Captain Marvel came out - inflating one movie's box office wouldn't be so much uncharacteristically evil for Disney so much as it would be uncharacteristically petty).

Speaking of which, The Marvels bombing because Disney couldn't promote it properly (due to the actor's strike) is another example of how stupid moviegoing audiences are since I can fully believe the kinds of people who would normally watch Marvel movies weren't even aware it had come out and only see them because of their event status. And on a similar note, movies like Gods of Egypt (incidentally same writers as Madame Web) and the live-action Ghost in the Shell getting overshadowed by whitewashing controversies limiting the amount of coverage the press was willing to give movies like those also makes it clear how important it is to get the word out. I also probably brought up earlier how I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there was market research showing that female moviegoers had a higher preference for seeing female leads than male moviegoers for their gender. Doesn't help I know at least one instance where a creative was allegedly told to confrontationally accuse people of sexism for not seeing their movie (Elizabeth Banks regarding her failed Charlie's Angels revival), so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the same was true for cases like Paul Feig and Ghostbusters, Tim Miller and Terminator: Dark Fate (doesn't help he disowned it afterwards), James Mangold and the new Indiana Jones movie, etc.

On a more positive note, the highest-grossing comic book movie last year domestically had a woman and a black guy in the lead. And the highest-grossing comic book movie the year before domestically had a black woman in the lead. Go woke, go broke!

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You are too far gone.

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But while I'm here:

DOMESTIC (44.1%) - $42,619,699
INTERNATIONAL (55.9%) - $54,000,000

going to break 100 million here soon
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Madame Web lumbers from setpiece to setpiece, with a perpetually irritated Johnson acting as she'd rather be anywhere but here.
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And I'm reading that Sony is looking at about a $250 million loss as things stand.
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Already?? Holy shit lol
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FFDragon posted...
And I'm reading that Sony is looking at about a $250 million loss as things stand.
That sounds like Hollywood accounting
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yeah its hard to believe anyone could be dumb enough to spend so much on a Madame Web movie that it could come out at negative 250 million
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yeah, yeah, sure I get that

but this narrative is way funnier
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Checked this topic to see how its still alive.

There is no way this movie will really lose $250 million unless they somehow gave it a $200 million+ marketing budget and expect to make $0 from ancilliaries, or the budget was three times the reported number. Losses will actually probably be relatively low because by all accounts Sony made this for very cheap.
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