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htaeD
11/23/2023
01:06 PM
#1
(aka your average Black friday sale)

Alive:
1. Ben
2. Blade
3. Corrik
4. FD
5. IGCD
6. Ifrit
7. Lopen
8. Mzero
9. Peaf
10. Red
11. Ulti
12. Wall

Dead:
LD1. JC - Orphan of Kos NIGHTMARE Roleblocker
KN1. Isquen - Garden of Eyes PREY Watcher
KD2. Sbell - Brainsucker PREY Vanilla

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The hunt ends at friday 7 PM EST
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ctesjbuvf
11/23/2023
06:11 PM
#2
Tag
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Lopen
11/23/2023
07:28 PM
#3
For the record I'm against lynching Ifrit over Wallz at this juncture.

Losing conviction he's scum. Too many people spinning irrational interpretations of the end of yesterday are defending Wallz and ok with lynching Ifrit.

Wallz is lying about sbell neighbor chat. Straight up. Doesn't sound like anything sbell would say or a target he would make.

I imagine the plan was to claim targeting Isquen because "Isquen hadnt digested the game yet and was possibly going to be killed due to replace meta" and then got too tricksy for his own good, making up stuff that Isquen would plausibly say that doesnt make sense from sbell. Doubt he's scum neighbor at all. Scum something else yes.
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Lopen
11/23/2023
07:38 PM
#4
Ulti probably isn't scum despite spinning a bad story unless he's paired with peaf or Blade (think they're both town).

Red is spinning. Probably scum. Again wallz early vote of red kinda implicated red. Red continuing to do nothing but ask "why are we doing this/saying this" feels scummy too. Always lynch wallz first though.

Corrik is spinning. Could absolutely be scum who tried to flush power out seeing a weak scumteam. He basically telegraphed knowing the game was low power well before we had quite as many vanilla as we do.

FD is spinning and while I had some feeling he is town I also think that the initial attack on him had some value-- he was very over defensive. Honestly the frankly excessive amount of DATA he's providing feels almost suspicious too as if to say "look how helpful I'm being" without actually going hard on anything the data points at.

IGCD is spinning. Honestly I'm going to need to reread him but think he's probably town. I dunno.

Blade is spinning but doesn't like me and I feel probably plays a biased mafia game so probably null. I don't know. Need to reread too.

Mzero town
Ben town
Peaf town
Ifrit... probably town

Is what I'm reading here.
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Lopen
11/23/2023
07:39 PM
#5
New scumteam guess is wallz, red, corrik, FD but yeah need to reread. Don't know if I'll be able to tomorrow honestly but I'm sure I'll have well into tomorrow to digest it.

Edit: Typo it was Phone autocorrect of jr.
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Leafeon13N
11/23/2023
07:43 PM
#6
Lopen posted...
Red is spinning
Red is what?
Lopen
11/23/2023
07:45 PM
#7
Spinning a dumb interpretation of what happened yesterday at end of day.
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Leafeon13N
11/23/2023
07:51 PM
#8
Spinning being you know, just not being here.
Corrik7
11/23/2023
07:58 PM
#9
Leafeon13N posted...
Spinning being you know, just not being here.
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Lopen
11/23/2023
08:05 PM
#10
Also Ulti voting FD with the logic he did early day 1 and fd flipping out I could more easily see that being cfwr tilt than town tilt.
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Forceful_Dragon
11/23/2023
08:19 PM
#11
Then you don't know the first thing about how much ulti specifically bothers me. His antics in last games DTC only exacerbated things and then to come at ME swinging and say he's going to mislynch me every game as a policy? No way I don't come back at him hard for that nonsense.
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wallmasterz
11/23/2023
08:27 PM
#12
To recap for those playing at home:

Lopen wants me lynched and I refuted his initial top two reasons with perfectly good explanations which had already been given previously.

Lopens response was to share his remaining case against me which is: Im scum who lied about being neighborizer entirely because sbell would never say those things and I would never neighbor sbell. Thats it. Lopen wants me lynched for these reasons. In a forum game where last game saw town jc use his box power to immediately drag probable town fd (and he was) to hell for shits and giggles, and one town or another lies for nonsensical reasons nearly every game, me neighboring Sbell makes me public enemy #1.

Never mind the fact if I were scum making all this up I wouldve just strategically acted towards self preservation. I couldve asked a scummate to confirm me by saying I neighbored them or picked someone more influential than sbell (no offense Sbell. lol) and desperately tried to win them over. I couldve said I neighbored the nk and made up a sentence or two of benign crap then tried to bury the whole thing.

Nope, I told everyone I neighbored sbell because I neighbored sbell. I shared what ended up being his final thoughts because he asked me to, despite his own acknowledgement they were (in his words) a mostly jumbled mess.

If the majority sees things the way Lopen claims to see them just get it over with like ulti said. Its a distraction benefiting scum, and a spent town neighbor is no big loss. Otherwise Id prefer to not let Lopen keep sidetracking the day with what is either 1) his scum manipulation, big mad Im not gaining traction or 2) stubborn town insistence on fitting a square peg into a round hole.
I need to update my signature.
wallmasterz
11/23/2023
08:31 PM
#13
And Lopen, I have a question for you.

Why does Sbell not sound like a target I would make? Explain that comment.

iirc we have played two games together, Tekken and smash bros. This was my first time rolling neighbor ever. You dont know very much about me, or at least you shouldnt. I find that odd.
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MZero
11/23/2023
08:40 PM
#14
wallz why didn't you neighbor me or Ulti, your top town reads throughout the game?

also have you ever played against me when I was scum? Why do you think I shoot SBell as scum, knowing he's town and it's going to put the spotlight on myself?
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wallmasterz
11/23/2023
08:52 PM
#15
Mzero, yes you were one of my top town reads before day vigging sbell and Im trying to be open minded that youre town who did a very unfortunate thing. Apart from the day vig, you remain a town lean. But the day vig is by far the most significant thing youve done.

I specifically picked sbell over you and ulti because of sbells reaction to Corrik asking everyone if they move. Its no exaggeration to say he had a big dramatic reaction, leading me to reconcile my initial town read and midday suspicion to go oh ok sbell is town power afraid of being outed. I thought I could help sbell by sharing any info he got from night actions while hopefully giving him some level of anonymity.

Yes I played against you as scum at least once, fantasy novel mafia. You were extremely afk which has generally been my experience with you in mafia as either alignment. Its why I was pleasantly surprised by your activity and viewed it as towny.

Why do you think I shoot SBell as scum, knowing he's town and it's going to put the spotlight on myself?

This doesnt make a lot of sense to me. If youre some kind of scum dayvig and its an ek, of course youre going to risk putting the spotlight on yourself to get the ek off. You as scum also mightve wrongly thought sbell was power like I did. Plus theres history there. And if you are scum, the heat died down very quickly, so its not like you painted yourself into a corner.
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MZero
11/23/2023
09:06 PM
#16
I suppose if you had a power read on SBell, that's a fair reason to neighbor him

It's true that it ended up dying down fast, but there was no way to know that before I took the shot. I guess it's all WIFOM coming from me, but I would never do something that attention grabbing as scum. My MO as mafia is to lay as low as possible and get by.
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MZero
11/23/2023
09:07 PM
#17
and there are less... dramatic ways to use a scum dayvig shot, like consulting with town or shooting someone more widely suspected
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PeaceFrog
11/23/2023
09:23 PM
#18
MZero posted...
My MO as mafia is to lay as low as possible and get by.
Can confirm, there were times i forgot you were even on my team in fantasy novel
~Peaf~
PeaceFrog
11/23/2023
09:24 PM
#19
But i do feel it's a little bit wifom to say that if you were scum you would just do the ek at night and not claim it to not draw attention. And that requires me to believe that you are being truthful when you say you had the option to use it at night.
~Peaf~
IfGodCouldDie
11/23/2023
09:36 PM
#20
wallmasterz posted...
I thought I could help sbell by sharing any info he got from night actions while hopefully giving him some level of anonymity.
I've seen this play before a few times.
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MZero
11/23/2023
09:45 PM
#23
PeaceFrog posted...
But i do feel it's a little bit wifom to say that if you were scum you would just do the ek at night and not claim it to not draw attention. And that requires me to believe that you are being truthful when you say you had the option to use it at night.

even if I couldn't shoot at night, there are less attention-grabbing ways to get a dayvig off then yoloing it 15 minutes into the day!

but yeah anything coming from me is WIFOM
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MZero
11/23/2023
09:45 PM
#24
UltimaterializerX posted...
What does cfwr mean?

caught for wrong reasons
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MZero
11/23/2023
09:59 PM
#26
not opposed to the Ifrit lynch at all btw
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Lopen
11/23/2023
10:18 PM
#27
wallmasterz posted...
Why does Sbell not sound like a target I would make? Explain that comment.

You called him scum late yesterday

Why neighbor scum
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Lopen
11/23/2023
10:20 PM
#28
Also every point you're making against me also applies to sbell

So you, if being internally consistent, would think he's scum even more
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PeaceFrog
11/23/2023
10:23 PM
#30
I'm not quite sure what votals are but iirc we're not anywhere close to ending-day-early territory.

##Vote: Ifrit
~Peaf~
wallmasterz
11/23/2023
10:42 PM
#31
Lopen posted...
You called him scum late yesterday

Why neighbor scum

Youre either being malicious here or still not reading. I ended the day theorizing he was town power, and I didnt feel the need to publicly announce that theory because why would I do that when I planned to give sbell the choice to announce that I neighbored him or not unless I needed him to confirm me to survive.

Lopen posted...
Also every point you're making against me also applies to sbell

So you, if being internally consistent, would think he's scum even more

I dont get this. And you never answered my question which I find very interesting. You avoiding the question, Lopen?
I need to update my signature.
Lopen
11/23/2023
11:57 PM
#32
wallmasterz posted...
I ended the day theorizing he was town power

Convenient but why think he's town power
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PunishedBen
11/24/2023
12:52 AM
#33
Lopen posted...
For the record I'm against lynching Ifrit over Wallz at this juncture.

Losing conviction he's scum. Too many people spinning irrational interpretations of the end of yesterday are defending Wallz and ok with lynching Ifrit.

Wallz is lying about sbell neighbor chat. Straight up. Doesn't sound like anything sbell would say or a target he would make.

I imagine the plan was to claim targeting Isquen because "Isquen hadnt digested the game yet and was possibly going to be killed due to replace meta" and then got too tricksy for his own good, making up stuff that Isquen would plausibly say that doesnt make sense from sbell. Doubt he's scum neighbor at all. Scum something else yes.
Which post of Ifrit's made you lose conviction? ...Oh right

I think you're just town getting bored, but dang. Most of the people who want to kill Ifrit are people you town-read.

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PunishedBen
11/24/2023
01:02 AM
#34
MZero posted...
I suppose if you had a power read on SBell, that's a fair reason to neighbor him

It's true that it ended up dying down fast, but there was no way to know that before I took the shot. I guess it's all WIFOM coming from me, but I would never do something that attention grabbing as scum. My MO as mafia is to lay as low as possible and get by.
Bro no fuckin way.

I can see the timeline where you are scum RIGHT NOW

Mzero: *rolls scum dayvig who can shoot starting day 2*
Mzero's first post: Guys I dont care what happens or how bad it makes us look, I'm shooting Sbell immediately day 2. I am sorry

Mzero: IN FACT, I'm gonna play extra hard day 1 and be more active than usual JUST to make sure I make it to day 2. This is the most important thing in my career.
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PunishedBen
11/24/2023
01:15 AM
#35
Meanwhile, lets look at alternate universes to entertain Lopen and FD's timeline where Wallz rolls scum ???? anything but Neighborizer.

Wallz: Gee. Everyone's claiming vanillas. I'd rather not do that, even though I've already claimed I do not move at night. Hmmm, well I'm gonna need to come up with a power role that does not move. How about something confirmable that I cannot actually confirm and thus the only thing this claim can possibly do for me is damn me straight to hell. Also might kidnap FD later if I'm feeling cute, since I already said I dont move and all

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MZero
11/24/2023
01:15 AM
#36
yeah I would never go against the team as scum, they would have had to okay it

(except that time I was usurper but that doesn't count)

but whatever, it doesn't do much good for me to keep talking about this cause it's wifom. I encourage you to go back and check my scum games and compare for yourself
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PunishedBen
11/24/2023
01:26 AM
#39
MZero posted...
yeah I would never go against the team as scum, they would have had to okay it

(except that time I was usurper but that doesn't count)

but whatever, it doesn't do much good for me to keep talking about this cause it's wifom. I encourage you to go back and check my scum games and compare for yourself
Oh dont worry, I have no imagination that you went against the team. I'm sure they okay'd it. I've never really seen a scum team not okay something another member really wants to do lol. Besides, extra kill would have had to be used on somebody and you would had to look bad either way. There is no way the scum team would be not okay with it.

Anyway, there's still a chance you broke free of this cursed timeline, but I do not accept the arguments so far that we're not living it

When JC was his role last game, he said he did it for fun. That was towny because it was honest.

Everytime you explain why you shot Sbell, I do not get the honesty vibes. I would expect the focus to be more on that it had to be done. but that was brushed aside pretty quickly in lieu of detailed conversations about who you pondered shooting.
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PunishedBen
11/24/2023
01:28 AM
#40
UltimaterializerX posted...
Yeah hes town and this lynch is dog shit awful.
Not saying he's town, but I'd appreciate if we all moved forward knowing he's obviously a neighbor and obviously spoke to Sbell last night.

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Forceful_Dragon
11/24/2023
01:33 AM
#41
UltimaterializerX posted...
Yeah hes town and this lynch is dog shit awful.

I haven't been voting wallz since the day action stuff came forward. I fully stated that the line of logic that results in scum wallz is some tinfoil conspiracy theory stuff. I don't consider it likely, but it was nagging at me to had to vocalize it and talk it through.

Currently I'm most willing to lynch Lopen or Ben based upon how the end of day 1 went down.

Igcd is in the conversation for the "compromise" to lynch peaf day 1 and blade day 2.
~C~ FD
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Ifrit
11/24/2023
01:51 AM
#42
PunishedBen posted...

Not necessarily. There is enough room in the math that both lynches could have been pure. JC waited last minute to vote Ifrit and did it because he had to

JC waited last minute to vote me because my lynch didn't start gaining traction until the last minutes.

Lopen posted...

If he flips town I'll face the gallows bring it

Just remember he said this when I flip town.

Meow1000 posted...

Why was an SBell town flip so surprising? Why did he give off scum vibes to you when the majority of people townread him?

Not everyone has the same read. The way he almost derailed the JC lynch, especially after JC flipped roleblocker, him out and out calling Ben a 'traitor', not to mention him willing to take a trade between lynching Peaf, then lynching you the next day. When I asked him why he didn't say "Because I'm that sure Peaf is scum." he said because one of you had to be scum, and I just didn't see it. Not on day 1. Felt very scummy to me.

Meow1000 posted...

This is also a glorified rule of 3 post between Lopen/Ben/MZero. Lopen and Ben are at least explanatory from their late votes, but MZero feels like total filler that adds onto the people doubting him with no substance.

Yes, scum dayvigs can exist, but MZero shot someone you were claiming to haver scumread yourself. What is your read and argument on him?

My read is null on him. It wasn't a shot that was so bad I want to kill him, nor was it so good that I think he's confirmed town either. Also the whole 'rule of 3' thing is stupid when I haven't even flipped. I wasn't even putting Mzero at the top of my list there, just commenting that yes there are scum dayvigs. There have been for over a decade now. I remember agonizing over the decision to lynch a scum dayvig who shot scum. We ended up judging him by his play, which is how I think dayvigs should be treated.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ill feel silly if Wall is scum but Im sticking with my read today. We simply have better options, and I particularly want to see if day one was a scum/scum finale.

Spoilers: It wasn't. But I'm fine being resolved today as long as people actually read my thoughts and start looking into Ben/Lopen when I flip. I can understand the argument that Scum would've bussed me if I was a lesser role. It's not what happened, but my flip should at least help steer things in the right direction. Because I really don't think that scum just let their RB get lynched without doing anything to try to save him. And Ben and Lopen were two that were trying to derail that lynch. Even before it gained much traction. With Ben going after Wallz and Red before settling on me. And then Lopen saying that my claim felt more 'safelist' without ever explaining why he thought that (especially when he implied he wasn't that familiar with the flavor). You also have the way Lopen claimed power, then backtracked it and said "Nope, actually I'm vanilla!" That looked incredibly off to me.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ill take lynching an inactive player over Wall actually putting in effort, btw. Its day 2, no excuses.

It's literally thanksgiving. Ya'll might kill me in game for not showing up today, but my wife would kill me in real life if I didn't help her with thanksgiving dinner. But I'm going to be posting more of my thoughts so people can read them. They can wait until after I flip if they are afraid of 'oooo' wifom. But I hope they at least read them after I flip.

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Ifrit
11/24/2023
02:04 AM
#43
Forceful_Dragon posted...
I haven't been voting wallz since the day action stuff came forward.

For the record:

wallmasterz posted...
Sbell, you asked about Mason recruiter - nope, Im neighborizer. I already submitted who I want to neighbor, but Im open to switching if someone wants to waterboard me tonight or whatever. I am happy to talk and maybe convince someone theyre wrong.

(Bold mine) He said this yesterday. So there's no reason to believe he's lying about it being a day action.
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Forceful_Dragon
11/24/2023
02:06 AM
#44
Ifrit posted...
JC waited last minute to vote me because my lynch didn't start gaining traction until the last minutes.

Not entirely true.

You had a couple of votes back when the votals we're 3/2/2, it's just that Corrik and Ben moved on to other votes before that 4 vote flurry.

So you went from being in the top 3 with an hour to EoD (among low votals) to having no votes 40 minutes later to getting 4 fast votes 15 minutes later. You still don't look as bad as the people who voted you (sans sbell who was exonerated by death), but your name was at least in the conversation heading into EoD even if you got down to zero votes before the 5 minute train occurred.
~C~ FD
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Forceful_Dragon
11/24/2023
02:08 AM
#45
Ifrit posted...
For the record:

(Bold mine) He said this yesterday. So there's no reason to believe he's lying about it being a day action.

Yeah I remembered something along those lines but didn't want to put words in his mouth and serve the answer to my questions up for him.

I also didn't want to rule out him just committing to a night action really really early (for some reason)
~C~ FD
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Lopen
11/24/2023
02:42 AM
#46
Alright all you Ifrit voters how about FD

Dude is pinging me something fierce here
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Ifrit
11/24/2023
02:46 AM
#47
Okay so let's look at Lopen yesterday. (Then I have to get to bed)

Lopen posted...
I honestly suspect snake head thing most of the vanilla so far

Here's the first time he starts sort of defending JC. Why does he suspect my claim the most? Anything that could be on the safelist, can also be in the game. That's kind of how safelists work. Of course knowing that I'm exactly what I claimed to be just makes this weirder for me.

Lopen posted...
Scum neighborizer who claimed their own flavor

Then he throws suspicion on wallz too.

Lopen posted...
Wallz much better lynch than JC right now

Ulti going this hard on flavor meta seems weird too

Honestly think JC is probably town here

More defense of JC. This time a bit stronger. Why does he think JC is town here?

Lopen posted...
So I am Laurence of the First Vicar

Should I be a powerful role or not I want to know flavor meta

Here's his claim. He asks to know if his role should be powerful or not.

Lopen posted...
So I should be a very strong role then right? Cause my role moves but kinda sucks

He did say that his role moves earlier in the game here:

Lopen posted...
Sure let's do it

I MOVE


But then he posts this:

Lopen posted...
And by moves

I mean it doesn't move

I'm ALSO a vanilla

This is where his defense really stuck out to me. Maybe he can explain his thought process better here, but this looks like an attempt at a 'gotcha' to get people off JC.

Like, I think this definitely warrants a deeper look into him at least.
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Lopen
11/24/2023
02:55 AM
#48
I thought your vanilla claim was more suspicious than JC as my role is vanilla and seems like a similar kinda thing (DLC notable boss fight)

I claimed I move early because I wanted to trap an excess of vanilla claims and/or draw shots but it felt worth potentially saving a mislynch to expose myself-- we also had an abundance of vanilla at that point so it didn't seem like there would be much more to trap

Also his complete non committalness to Sultan not withstanding I did think JC was likely town for most of yesterday

Ultimately, if town, what you need to be thinking about is why does scum Lopen stick his head out that much to try and save a scummate-- much easier to just go with Ulti there particularly since I was one who pushed JC to claim and had been suspecting him since his lack of reaction cop out with respect to Sultan
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Lopen
11/24/2023
02:58 AM
#49
Also note that because Corriks play basically exposed all our power scum really doesn't need a roleblocker at this juncture. He is an easily sacrificed pawn if I am scum

It's part of why Ulti is not in my 100% town list at the moment. If my scumteam has Ulti and Corrik in it, I'm absolutely OK with just obliterating my roleblocker there.
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Lopen
11/24/2023
03:01 AM
#50
There exists a nightmare scenario where the remaining scumteam is

Corrik (exposed all power)
Ulti (destroyed the rb to town confirm himself because all power is exposed)
MZero (shooting sbell makes very little sense-- day 2 limitation actually does seem scum aligned the more I think about it)
Blade/Peaf (this is what the lynch was down to-- scum ulti doesn't need to obliterate his rb if these are both town)
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