He's okay conceptually as the representation of ultimate evil, but in actuality he's somewhat dull and boring.
I don't think you were reading the subtext very well if that's your interpretation of RotJ.
Actually I called you stupid because the trilogy pretty much leads up to that the whole time. Otherwise I would've quoted the "generic evil" posts
Your interpretation of Vader's actions is basically fanfiction not supported by the presentation at all.
But him doing it out of self-preservation is 100% fanfiction.
You basically sound like you're over-rationalizing disliking him because you really didn't like him becoming "redeemed" at the end.
I can respect that! I can't really respect you trying to claim "he only saved Luke because he was afraid Palps was gonna kill him"-- that's simply not the story being told there and it makes you seem like you watched a lets play of LMS watching the Star Wars Trilogy to digest the plot.
it's more of a way to criticize the scene by saying how badly what we got clashes with how his characterization actually comes across to me. As in, him acting out of self-interest would make a lot more sense to me than what I'm expected to believe.
Hi scarlet
Again, I'm not claiming that as any sort of serious theory - it's more of a way to criticize the scene by saying how badly what we got clashes with how his characterization actually comes across to me. As in, him acting out of self-interest would make a lot more sense to me than what I'm expected to believe.
It's a way to criticize the scene that makes you come across as a buffoon who didn't pay attention to the movies. It'd been hinted at for quite some time, over a movie's length in fact, that Vader appeared a heartless bastard but that maybe he wasn't completely lost.
Like the key here is that what Star Wars is feeding you is that being light side vs dark side is all about mentality and not so much about the sum of all good you've done vs all bad you've done. Once the guy is showing that he wishes to repent or whatever, it doesn't matter, to the force, that he'd previously blown up a planet's worth of people.
I mean if his goal was to stay alive he did a pretty poor job
if Palpatine kills Luke there, Vader gets to stay alive longer
Uh Palpatine was literally trying to manipulate Luke into killing him.
and if Palpatine kills Luke then Luke can't kill Vader
seems pretty straightforward
your odds of living longer are higher if you just let Luke die instead of killing yourself killing Palpatine
Palpatine won't kill Vader himself or he'd have done it long ago.