12 wolves vs 3 tigers

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Tigers are solitary. Wolves are pack animals. This wouldn't be close. 12 wolves could probably beat 12 tigers, let alone 3.
This 4-to-1 advantage feels like this is the jungle-version of Evolve.

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Depends. Are the wolves able to wait for the tigers to separate and take them down one at a time (e.g. by harrying them over a large area and time)? Then maybe the wolves. If not, tigers, and this isn't close.


I dunno much about wolf/tiger interactions but wolf/bear interactions are a real thing. Solo grizzly bears and wolf packs regularly compete over food and the bear almost always wins. Of course they don't actually fight (because wolves probably like the idea of dying in a fight over a meal about as much as you or I do), but wolves will avoid the bear until it has eaten and then move in on what's left, which suggests both sides feel the bear has the advantage. Tigers are pretty similar to grizzlies in mass so I'm going to assume they're equivalent.

Now, maybe if they actually fought, the wolves would defeat the bear, and the reason the wolves defer is because even if they win they run far too high a risk of losing pack members. That's why I said that maybe 12 wolves could take the tigers one at a time, losing few enough members each time (0-2) to still have the advantage against the final tiger. But all three at once? I can't see that ending well for the wolves, not with the way wolves rely on attacking larger animals from behind in order to avoid fatal attacks from their large quarry.

I've read about this before but this is the first link I could find at short notice:
https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/grizzly-bear-vs-wolves
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Depends. Are the wolves able to wait for the tigers to separate and take them down one at a time (e.g. by harrying them over a large area and time)? Then maybe the wolves. If not, tigers, and this isn't close.


I dunno much about wolf/tiger interactions but wolf/bear interactions are a real thing. Solo grizzly bears and wolf packs regularly compete over food and the bear almost always wins. Of course they don't actually fight (because wolves probably like the idea of dying in a fight over a meal about as much as you or I do), but wolves will avoid the bear until it has eaten and then move in on what's left, which suggests both sides feel the bear has the advantage. Tigers are pretty similar to grizzlies in mass so I'm going to assume they're equivalent.

Now, maybe if they actually fought, the wolves would defeat the bear, and the reason the wolves defer is because even if they win they run far too high a risk of losing pack members. That's why I said that maybe 12 wolves could take the tigers one at a time, losing few enough members each time (0-2) to still have the advantage against the final tiger. But all three at once? I can't see that ending well for the wolves, not with the way wolves rely on attacking larger animals from behind in order to avoid fatal attacks from their large quarry.

I've read about this before but this is the first link I could find at short notice:
https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/grizzly-bear-vs-wolves


I feel like this would be countered by the fact that tigers are strictly solitary hunters, so it'd be quite easy for the wolves to get them to split off. The tigers certainly aren't going to be good at working together, at any rate.
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Depends on the tiger breed, probably. The biggest ones are fucking BIG and would probably kill a wolf with a single hit.
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12 wolves vs 1 tiger would be more of a fair fight
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NeoElfboy posted...
Depends. Are the wolves able to wait for the tigers to separate and take them down one at a time (e.g. by harrying them over a large area and time)? Then maybe the wolves. If not, tigers, and this isn't close.


I dunno much about wolf/tiger interactions but wolf/bear interactions are a real thing. Solo grizzly bears and wolf packs regularly compete over food and the bear almost always wins. Of course they don't actually fight (because wolves probably like the idea of dying in a fight over a meal about as much as you or I do), but wolves will avoid the bear until it has eaten and then move in on what's left, which suggests both sides feel the bear has the advantage. Tigers are pretty similar to grizzlies in mass so I'm going to assume they're equivalent.

Now, maybe if they actually fought, the wolves would defeat the bear, and the reason the wolves defer is because even if they win they run far too high a risk of losing pack members. That's why I said that maybe 12 wolves could take the tigers one at a time, losing few enough members each time (0-2) to still have the advantage against the final tiger. But all three at once? I can't see that ending well for the wolves, not with the way wolves rely on attacking larger animals from behind in order to avoid fatal attacks from their large quarry.

I've read about this before but this is the first link I could find at short notice:
https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/grizzly-bear-vs-wolves

I feel like this would be countered by the fact that tigers are strictly solitary hunters, so it'd be quite easy for the wolves to get them to split off. The tigers certainly aren't going to be good at working together, at any rate.

Well where is this taking place? I just imagined an arena-type deal with 3 tigers on one side and 12 wolves on the other

In which case, tigers wreck the wolves
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tigers and it's not even close.
you're looking at OHKOs from either paw on a faster, stronger, and much heavier monster. a jaguar would be a better question here but not a tiger.
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Yeah, I think people are underestimating just how much bigger a tiger is than a wolf.
greatly so. the bigger wolves wolves are generally around 100 pounds, the average tiger will be 5-6x more than that. the sole tiger is heavier than the pack here combined and any one hit will kill the wolf. i'm not even sure how much a wolf bite can do to the tiger really. for a real example, Hyenas vs. Lions is a thing. Lions always win any confrontation against packs unless it's like 10:1, 4 is nothing there.

if unfamiliar, hyenas are wolves on steroids. 3-4x stronger bite, 1.5-3x weight, and much smarter, the primary goal is to annoy and split up lions to make it a single one. they still need a large number to win that. that'd be a harder strategy with tigers (not the splitting part, i mean having this work as a means of victory) as they're more agile, heavier, and hit with either front paw so it's harder to bait.
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Battle takes place on bubbly clouds (Mercs edition) actually

Oh then wolves

The weight of the tigers would break the clouds since they're made of plaster or whatever was actually decided
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when I voted I didnt put much more thought into it than “wolves are pack animals“ but it does sound like the tigers would win now. oh well.
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