And people need healthcare or they will die.Please read this chart until you understand it:
You misunderstand. The Republicans are the ones doing the murdering. But due to this the dems have optically taken ownership of all the suffering during the shutdown and the results. How much you think that will affect them or the midterms is up to you, but they basically made themselves look pathetic at a time when they really need to not look pathetic.Im only interested are you still claiming Dems take full responsibility for Healthcare or not. Effectively making Republicans blameless. Is this still your position?
Please read this chart until you understand it:Feels a little condescending.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6d16a198.jpg
It's called "Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs" if you would like to find more info to help.
Im only interested are you still claiming Dems take full responsibility for Healthcare or not. Effectively making Republicans blameless. Is this still your position?In reality? No.
Feels a little condescending.I wonder why.
Guess what unstable food supplies do to health outcomes.Rude.
Go on.
I wonder why.
Incalculably less, yes. I don't think you fully grasp how fucked a whole tenth of the population is now.
In reality? No.Ok.
Optically? Yes, or that is how it will be seen.Optics only become a problem when you and a chorus of others pile on by regurgitating stuff like post #4.
Rude.If "explaining things politely" actually worked, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Ok.
Optics only become a problem when you pile on by regurgitating stuff like post #4.
If you understand the reality that Dems should not take full responsibility for something the entire Republican party did, and only 8 Democrats did.... maybe dont complain about optics while you actively and intentionally perpetuate said optics.
If "explaining things politely" actually worked, we wouldn't be having this conversation.Lack of food leads to worse health leads to death and suffering.
Answer the question.
And you're wrong.Elaborate.
Is the thing.
CE will have no affect on the wider opticsThis narrative that CE has no affect on the wider optics has been and always will be a terrible defense.
Elaborate.You die from lack of food way faster than from lack of healthcare, for one.
This narrative that CE has no affect on the wider optics has been and always will be a terrible defense.How should we react to this?
Gamefaqs doesnt exist in a bubble. And the things said here, arent sentiments only seen here.
Its the similar argument that tries to defend not voting or going 3rd party. Such sentiments dont exist in a vacuum of thought. When a collective is going around spouting/doing this, it can most definitely resonate to have a consequence as a whole.
Those false optics you insinuated as reality in Post #4 can easily be found all across left and Dem leaning spaces. Nevermind swing voters who arent committed voters to one party or the other.
You misunderstand. The Republicans are the ones doing the murdering. But due to this the dems have optically taken ownership of all the suffering during the shutdown and the results. How much you think that will affect them or the midterms is up to you, but they basically made themselves look pathetic at a time when they really need to not look pathetic.
TC never seems to hold the Republicans accountable, because he gets his sources from ostensible progressives that work for right wing billionaires and do nothing but spread "Dems Suck" messages to help themWhich progressive sources?
How should we react to this?Ive already exhausted where I stand on how I think people should react to the 8 Democrats and 52 Republicans.
Which progressive sources?
At this point, Im more invested in those saying, " the dems assumed full responsibility for the deaths that will be taking place."
Less than the number of people who will die due to the ACA subsidies lapsing.
It's not good. It's terrible. But caving is going to do far more harm than good.
Because Republicans were elected. Garioshi, that is the main thing you don't seem to put out there. You spend MUCH more time attacking Dems for how they react to what the GOP doChrist, what do you want from me? Do you want me to preface every single thing I say with "the Republicans are evil and they hate life and they want you dead" just so you know that I know that? How many times have I said this to you? If I had a pro-GOP agenda, do you think I would be criticizing the Democrats like this? What kind of master plan do you think I have to make the Democrats unpopular? They're already as unpopular as they could possibly be!
Also, I'd like to leave this here:This was glaringly obvious to anyone that bothered to actually pay attention to the vote.
https://x.com/emrwilkins/status/1987896392849748040?s=20
It's not just 8 Senators. Stop saying it's just 8 Senators.
So now you take the guy at his word?Do I need to hold your hand and go through exactly why lying is advantageous in some circumstances and not others?
Christ, what do you want from me? Do you want me to preface every single thing I say with "the Republicans are evil and they hate life and they want you dead" just so you know that I know that? How many times have I said this to you? If I had a pro-GOP agenda, do you think I would be criticizing the Democrats like this? What kind of master plan do you think I have to make the Democrats unpopular? They're already as unpopular as they could possibly be!
Do I need to hold your hand and go through exactly why lying is advantageous in some circumstances and not others?
I don't think you have a pro-GOP agenda. I think you listen to people who do too much and don't relize it because it's being couched in progressive trappings. You do much more attacking the Democrats than the GOP, whether you realize it or notI genuinely do not know what to say to you aside of "the highest order of contempt for the GOP is implied". If the Democrats fail to adequately fight back against an administration that wants to usher an era of unparalleled suffering into the world, they deserve to be criticized for it. I'm not some unwitting tool of propagandists and it's frankly insulting that you think I have no agency in what I do. If you have a problem with what I'm saying beyond "you're attacking Democrats too much", then say it.
I'm not some unwitting tool of propagandists and it's frankly insulting that you think I have no agency in what I do.
I genuinely do not know what to say to you aside of "the highest order of contempt for the GOP is implied". If the Democrats fail to adequately fight back against an administration that wants to usher an era of unparalleled suffering into the world, they deserve to be criticized for it. I'm not some unwitting tool of propagandists and it's frankly insulting that you think I have no agency in what I do. If you have a problem with what I'm saying beyond "you're attacking Democrats too much", then say it.
Also, I'd like to leave this here:Who other than the 8 voted to end the shutdown?
https://x.com/emrwilkins/status/1987896392849748040?s=20
It's not just 8 Senators. Stop saying it's just 8 Senators.
Who other than the 8 voted to end the shutdown?Does it matter when no matter who it was there was always going to be 8? The ones that actually pulled the trigger were just the safest.
I'm not some unwitting tool of propagandists and it's frankly insulting that you think I have no agency in what I do.Erm...
Does it matter when no matter who it was there was always going to be 8? The ones that actually pulled the trigger were just the safest.Yeah if you are saying that many Dems where planning on voting to end the shutdown it does matter who these Dems where. But I suspect they do not exist.
Yeah if you are saying that many Dems where planning on voting to end the shutdown it does matter who these Dems where. But I suspect they do not exist.Not certain they do not exist?
Not certain they do not exist?Who are they?
Who are they?I'm not sure. Do you think it's noteworthy that time after time there's always a convenient amount of dissenters on the Dems side that enables Republicans to get away with whatever they want but that issue never seems to occur on the Republican side?
Erm...If you had the ability to read, you'd see that that is a direct quote from Tim Kaine. Is HE a GOP propagandist I'm unwittingly falling for?
Didn't you just post a twitter that said "MANY PEOPLE are saying that more dems where secretly planning to end the shutdown! No evidence just trust us. Lots of peopl! Big people! Believe me!"
If you had the ability to read, you'd see that that is a direct quote from Tim Kaine. Is HE a GOP propagandist I'm unwittingly falling for?
"democrats are all ratfucking liars unless they say one thing that confirms my preconceived notions"And they're also above reproach unless someone says something I don't like.
I'm not sure.
If you had the ability to read, you'd see that that is a direct quote from Tim Kaine. Is HE a GOP propagandist I'm unwittingly falling for?Who are the Dems that where secretly planning to end the shutdown?
InterestingSure is. Why do you think that keeps happening?
Sure is. Why do you think that keeps happening?I'm not sure why you beleive any lie that comes out as long as it's anti-dem. Only you can answer that question.
Who are the Dems that where secretly planning to end the shutdown?I dunno, ask him. Am I supposed to have perfect knowledge on this?