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How many more people will die from a lack of healthcare or perpetual bankruptcy?
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Other. Zero. Republicans are the murderers.
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EPR-radar posted...
Other. Zero. Republicans are the murderers.
No, after last night the dems assumed full responsibility for the deaths that will be taking place.
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EPR-radar posted...
Other. Zero. Republicans are the murderers.

I think in a way those certain Democrats are aiding and abetting them though. Accessories to murder.
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EPR-radar posted...
Other. Zero. Republicans are the murderers.
The Democrats were standing between them and the big red "kill uncountable numbers of people" button and stepped out of the way for absolutely nothing. They are complicit.
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El_Dustino posted...
No, after last night the dems assumed full responsibility for the deaths that will be taking place.
How on earth do shitty enablers/accessories (some Ds) get full responsibility vs. the fucking perps (all Rs)?
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All of them.
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EPR-radar posted...
Other. Zero. Republicans are the murderers.

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EPR-radar posted...
How on earth do shitty enablers/accessories (some Ds) get full responsibility vs. the fucking perps (all Rs)?
By stupidly taking all the blame for the shut down and the ACA cuts onto themselves.
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I think it's interesting how you never made a topic like this for Republicans and cutting SNAP funding.
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El_Dustino posted...
By stupidly taking all the blame for the shut down and the ACA cuts onto themselves.
Sure, that how it will be spun by the right wing noise machine and GOP tools in the mainstream media.

And that's really going to fucking suck.

It doesn't change the fact that the GOP owns the deaths of everyone that has died and will die because of shitty GOP policy.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984
EPR-radar posted...
Sure, that how it will be spun by the right wing noise machine and GOP tools in the mainstream media.

And that's really going to fucking suck.

It doesn't change the fact that the GOP owns the deaths of everyone that has died and will die because of shitty GOP policy.
You are correct in the technical way, I am not disagreeing with you factually, I should have made that more clear. Yes, the Republicans are the ones actually killing others.

But the dems are accessories to murder AT BEST.

However, the dems also signed up to paint themselves as the murderers in exchange for nothing. So, calling them the murderers is what they want.
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who can tell. They may have solidified Republican tyranny for a century. This might have been the last chance to stop MAGA
Tmaster148 posted...
I think it's interesting how you never made a topic like this for Republicans and cutting SNAP funding.
They're evil. Their only goal is to maximize human suffering. This has been obvious for over 2 decades. The Democrats are SUPPOSED to be the ones defending us from them. I am aiming my criticism at the part of the equation that is nominally more receptive to it.
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Garioshi posted...
They're evil. Their only goal is to maximize human suffering. This has been obvious for over 2 decades. The Democrats are SUPPOSED to be the ones defending us from them. I am aiming my criticism at the part of the equation that is nominally more receptive to it.

So the play is to never focus on the things republicans are doing so you can continue to complain about democrats with what goal? Help democrats lose elections so more republicans take power?
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Zikten posted...
who can tell. They may have solidified Republican tyranny for a century. This might have been the last chance to stop MAGA
They were not stopping anything.
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Tmaster148 posted...
So the play is to never focus on the things republicans are doing so you can continue to complain about democrats with what goal? Help democrats lose elections so more republicans take power?
What do you want me to do, performatively say "Hitler is still Hitler" 27 times a day? Are there even any Trumpers left on this board? Which minds do I change by pointing out that the evil people are evil? Everybody here knows that they're evil. Do you think that by criticizing the Democrats, I'm somehow going to turn some.of the, what, 100 people left here into Trump supporters? Is criticizing them only okay after I've satisfied your personal threshold for criticizing Republicans? Fuck off.
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Since the shutdown served no purpose now I guess it's however many died due to disruptions caused by the shutdown. The insurance stuff is very hard to calculate and it's not fully the Democrats fault (they should have attempted to force Republicans to extend the benefits, but the Republicans ultimately do not want to).
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based on the numbers the death toil will be around 51,000 with that number climbing each year starting Jan 1st 2026 alot of people are simply not going to have healthcare anymore and some jobs may stop having it all together. Once that happens i'm done for, the big number is what my job's insurance pays for my medication

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The two big ones are ones I have to take or I'll die within a week. my co pay for those are 0 dollars on the 2 thousand dollar plus one and 27 dollars on the 700 one. Neither I can afford on my own.
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El_Dustino posted...
No, after last night the dems assumed full responsibility for the deaths that will be taking place.

This isn't how culpability works.
it's not but when you have a massive propaganda machine and no opposition it does.
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I noticed something... There's only an agreement here to extend government funding to January 30.
So I think there might be a plan here to vote on healthcare in December, and then when that inevitably fails, let the government shut down again?
Maybe?

I'm just trying to be hopeful here. I know full well what just happened.
What a fuddy duddy.
Relm_Arrowny_87 posted...
So I think there might be a plan
https://youtu.be/U1UtRnGn5hc?si=qmbMjatojNBSaQvD
^ Hey now that's completely unfair!
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EPR-radar posted...
Other. Zero. Republicans are the murderers.

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Garioshi posted...
What do you want me to do
Shut the fuck up. Seriously. The best thing you can do is shut the fuck up.
How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real?
As many as Republicans kill, so we'll see.

Unfortunately no one will remember the role of Republicans in it.
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Shut the fuck up. Seriously. The best thing you can do is shut the fuck up.
I know all you want is silence, but nothing will change if you shout down all criticism of the very, very obvious malicious and intentional incompetence by the Democrats. It's going to make people either more apathetic or more radicalized.
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Garioshi posted...
I know all you want is silence, but nothing will change if you shout down all criticism of the very, very obvious malicious and intentional incompetence by the Democrats. It's going to make people either more apathetic or more radicalized.
No want you to put energy towards the people actually doing shit but you won't so just shut the fuck up.
How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real?
EPR-radar posted...
Other. Zero. Republicans are the murderers.

This. Then, if folks are looking for another group to blame, go to the electorate next. They are the ones who pointedly ignored all the GOP evil and bad faith, including an actual attempt to overthrow the government, and reelected Trump. Not only did they do that, they put zero check on his power and obvious corruption, and every branch of government is controlled by him and his grifting, evil MAGA deplorables.

Then, you get to Democrats, who should not have caved. They did the wrong thing here. But, to me, skipping over the GOP and the voting public to focus the blame on Democrats is completely asinine. They are doing a bad job handling an impossible situation created by a bad faith entity masquerading as a political party and the voters who shrugged at that bad faith and gave all the power to them.

MAGA was able to rise to this position, in part, because their propaganda machine was able to turn the blame to Dems. in every circumstance, or convince people that both sides do the same thing and share the blame. It isnt true. Republicans are to blame for doing it. Voters are to blame for falling for it. Democrats are a distant third for failing to stop it. But stopping it sure would be easier if voters in this country would wake the fuck up.
An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it.
No, this is stupid. Why would I fucking blame Democrats for something that the Republicans are doing.
Trump is pursuing a chaotic far-right overthrow of existing US government norms and checks and balances, trying to destroy our way of life.
El_Dustino posted...
No, after last night the dems assumed full responsibility for the deaths that will be taking place.
And none of the Republicans should take responsibility? The majority did NOT cave, only 8 caved and for that you are pushing Dems should take full responsibility. Yet the entire Republican party that did vote for this should take no responsibility?

And you dont find a way to always spin blaming Democrats more?

The usuals always seem to find a way to either blame Democrats more, or give "equal blame." Even when basic math says Republicans are the majority blame.
emblem-man posted...
No, this is stupid. Why would I fucking blame Democrats for something that the Republicans are doing.
By all means blame the monkey that's brandishing a gun, but at the end of the day you really gotta wonder how the monkey got hold of the gun in the first place. Where was it's handler? Did the dude really just give up on keeping the gun away from the monkey cause standing up to it wasn't working?
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I actually agree that the deaths are on Republicans. They voted for this through the BBB, if Democrats were in charge, this never would have happened because the ACA is their main policy achievement of the last 25 years or so.

The caving was inexcusable, but death counter started when the Republican BBB passed.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
By all means blame the monkey that's brandishing a gun, but at the end of the day you really gotta wonder how the monkey got hold of the gun in the first place. Where was it's handler? Did the dude really just give up on keeping the gun away from the monkey cause standing up to it wasn't working?
That analogy doesn't work as it tries to paint Republicans as children or animals that shouldn't be help accountable for their own actions, and instead tries to blame an entire party of people for a actions of 8 people. You cant even hide behind a majority of Democrats voted for this, as they didnt.

The entire Republican party voted for this, they are all accountable.
The total of 8 Democrats that voted for this are accountable.
The rest of the Democrats (the majority of the party) did NOT vote for this, and are not accountable for the actions of what 52 Republicans and 8 Democrats did.
asdf8562 posted...
That analogy doesn't work as it tries to paint Republicans as children or animals that shouldn't be help accountable for their own actions, and instead tries to blame an entire party of people for a actions of 8 people.
Fine, instead of a monkey with a gun it's a dude swinging a knife on a train. Why'd nobody stop him? Did the security guard really say standing up to him was a pointless waste of time? Why do I need this security guard then if it thinks doing its job is pointless?
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Fine, instead of a monkey with a gun it's a dude swinging a knife on a train. Why'd nobody stop him? Did the security guard really say standing up to him was a pointless waste of time? Why do I need this security guard then if it thinks doing its job is pointless?
Still a bad analogy. The dude with the knife is to blame for the dude with the knifes actions.

There is no example you can draw up that makes the entire Republican party that voted for this not accountable. There is no example you can draw up that makes 8 Democrats caving to mean the entire Democrat party (the majority in the party) more responsible than the entire Republican party that voted for this.
The protest voters are to blame for helping republicans/trump win
asdf8562 posted...
The total of 8 Democrats that voted for this are accountable.
The rest of the Democrats (the majority of the party) did NOT vote for this, and are not accountable for the actions of what 52 Republicans and 8 Democrats did.
It was 8 safe Dems. Do you think that was merely a coincidence? How many times do you need to see this convenient coincidence occur right in your face before you notice a regular pattern of safe scapegoat Dems that pop up each and every time that allow the republicans to fuck over the American people?
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It was 8 safe Dems. Do you think that was merely a coincidence? How many times do you need to see this convenient coincidence occur right in your face before you notice a regular pattern of safe scapegoat Dems that pop up each and every time that allow the republicans to fuck over the American people?
Only thing you are doing is providing coverage for Republicans. Twisting into a pretzel to not hold Republicans accountable with excuses to not hold the majority party that literally voted for this, accountable.

8 Democrats caved. Those 8 should be held accountable. 52 Republicans also voted for this. Simple math shows the Republican party is even more accountable given they all voted for this.
asdf8562 posted...
Only thing you are doing is providing coverage for Republicans. Twisting into a pretzel to not hold Republicans accountable with excuses to not hold the majority party that literally voted for this, accountable.

8 Democrats caved. Those 8 should be held accountable. 52 Republicans also voted for this. Simple math shows the Republican party is even more accountable given they all voted for this.
The only thing you're doing is giving cover to controlled opposition. What have they done to actually combat the existential crisis of Trump on our democracy?
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I went with tens of thousands, though that is certainly subject to increase.

I still blame the Republicans for it, however, as they have been the one kicking the can while the Democrats have wanted to fix the issue. I do believe the time to capitulation was not right now, however.

What this will do in the future is just create a positive feedback loop of people forgoing insurance because the cost won't make sense and then companies driving up costs, rinse and repeat until the ACA is fully dead.

Oh, and didn't Shitler undo the thing where medical debt was not counted against credit scores? That'll be great for the economy too.
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And we're going to see over 200 Republicans vote for it in the House as well, with little to no Democrats voting yes.
But I'm sure that will also be Dems fault somehow
Trump is pursuing a chaotic far-right overthrow of existing US government norms and checks and balances, trying to destroy our way of life.
A_Good_Boy posted...
The only thing you're doing is giving cover to controlled opposition. What have they done to actually combat the existential crisis of Trump on our democracy?
Not cave to Republicans during the shutdown. 40 Democrats voted against the bill that passed. You may not like basic math, but the math still stands.

52 Republicans voted for this.
8 Democrats voted for this.
All 60 of those people are accountable, and people like you trying to literally argue the 52 Republicans should have no accountability.
emblem-man posted...
And we're going to see over 200 Republicans vote for it in the House as well, with little to no Democrats voting yes.
But I'm sure that will also be Dems fault somehow
This as well.

The usuals always have mental gymnastics spin to avoid blaming Republicans or attempting to "both sides the same." Literally ignoring basic math.
asdf8562 posted...
Not cave to Republicans during the shutdown.
Well that's just false.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
The only thing you're doing is giving cover to controlled opposition. What have they done to actually combat the existential crisis of Trump on our democracy?

Shut up. Everyone who continues to idiotically rant about controlled opposition deserves to have their posts treated with contempt.
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