Trump lifts sanctions on Syria

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Euripides
05/13/2025
06:15 PM
#1
Can we call him a terrorist yet?
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WingsOfGood
05/13/2025
06:16 PM
#2
why though
Umbreon
05/13/2025
06:18 PM
#3
Euripides posted...
Can we call him a terrorist yet?


It was accurate to call him a terrorist on 1/6/2021
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Jeremy517
05/13/2025
06:19 PM
#4
WingsOfGood posted...
why though

They offered to let him build a Trump Tower in Damascus.

Wish I was joking.
ultimate_reaver
05/13/2025
06:20 PM
#5
pretty unusual timing considering Israel is making steady encroachments on them at the moment
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Extreme_light
05/13/2025
06:24 PM
#6
ultimate_reaver posted...
pretty unusual timing considering Israel is making steady encroachments on them at the moment

There have been cracks with that relationship. This middle eastern tour is proving to be revealing to say the least.
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DrizztLink
05/13/2025
06:25 PM
#7
Jeremy517 posted...
They offered to let him build a Trump Tower in Damascus.

Wish I was joking.
It's so nice to have the government run like a Trumpy business:

Incompetent and blatantly for sale.
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Accolon
05/13/2025
06:29 PM
#8
As always, if any other president had done 1% of this shit, they'd be absolutely done. But Trump gets special treatment because ???
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darkknight109
05/13/2025
06:45 PM
#9
Genuine question - isn't that a good thing?

If you missed it, Assad's government got overthrown last year and the new government is trying to show that it can be a good steward of Syria. The sanctions were strangling their economy in an effort to force Assad out; now that he's gone, it seems prudent to lift the sanctions, no?
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ultimate_reaver
05/13/2025
06:51 PM
#10
darkknight109 posted...
Genuine question - isn't that a good thing?

If you missed it, Assad's government got overthrown last year and the new government is trying to show that it can be a good steward of Syria. The sanctions were strangling their economy in an effort to force Assad out; now that he's gone, it seems prudent to lift the sanctions, no?

I don't know if I would say that they are trying to show they could be a good steward of Syria so much as they have been prostrating themselves and pretty much begging to get rid of the sanctions since day one, while sketchy stuff is still happening on the side.

But at the same time, like earlier, Israel is currently invading them. The sanctions on top of that are doing nothing but hurting the people of Syria even more deeply, so honestly I would say that this is ultimately a good thing.

Extreme_light posted...
There have been cracks with that relationship. This middle eastern tour is proving to be revealing to say the least.

Yeah. I've been skeptical about stuff coming out regarding that, but this feels like the most concrete bit of proof that Netanyahu is on the outs with the trump admin at the moment
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Tyranthraxus
05/13/2025
06:53 PM
#11
darkknight109 posted...
Genuine question - isn't that a good thing?

If you missed it, Assad's government got overthrown last year and the new government is trying to show that it can be a good steward of Syria. The sanctions were strangling their economy in an effort to force Assad out; now that he's gone, it seems prudent to lift the sanctions, no?
Yeah this is what I was thinking.

Assad is gone, the new guys in charge hate the IS, we should try to build a good relationship with Syria. It can only be beneficial.

If all we have to do is let Trump build a hotel there I'd say that's a pretty fair price.
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K181
05/13/2025
06:56 PM
#12
Fuck Trump.

In every way.

Fuck him.

But weren't the sanctions on Syria due to the Assad regime? Kind of makes sense to not have them now that they're not being propped up by the Russians.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
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Westernwolf4
05/13/2025
06:58 PM
#13
Accolon posted...
As always, if any other president had done 1% of this shit, they'd be absolutely done. But Trump gets special treatment because ???

Because 50 years of GOP targeted propaganda created an alternate reality cult that was waiting for a dumb but utterly shameless grifter to lead them.

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Tyranthraxus
05/13/2025
06:58 PM
#14
K181 posted...
Fuck Trump.

In every way.

Fuck him.

But weren't the sanctions on Syria due to the Assad regime? Kind of makes sense to not have them now that they're not being propped up by the Russians.
I thought they were there because it's the default reaction to a military coup even if it's justified.
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DrizztLink
05/13/2025
06:59 PM
#15
K181 posted...
Fuck Trump.

In every way.

Fuck him.

But weren't the sanctions on Syria due to the Assad regime? Kind of makes sense to not have them now that they're not being propped up by the Russians.
Would we be doing this were it not for the blatant bribery?

Moreover, exactly how long do you think it'll take Trumpy to throw a Trumpy Tantrum and start bombing shit again?
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ultimate_reaver
05/13/2025
07:02 PM
#16
Tyranthraxus posted...
I thought they were there because it's the default reaction to a military coup even if it's justified.

No, they were holdovers from Assad. Pretty much everything public that al-julani has been doing since they ran out Assad has been in the name of good foreign publicity to get the sanctions removed.
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Pow_Pow_Punishment
05/13/2025
07:10 PM
#17
People who are against this cite that the new regime used to be part of Al-Qaeda's Syrian branch (Al-Nusra Front), but they changed their name years ago and denounced ties. Good change should be rewarded.

There have been some very concerning crackdowns on Alawites recently that I'm watching out for and shouldn't be ignored, but their leader has mostly been saying the right things and making an effort to speak about ethnic unity.
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Ooooooranges
05/13/2025
07:42 PM
#18
Accolon posted...
As always, if any other president had done 1% of this shit, they'd be absolutely done. But Trump gets special treatment because ???

Because he's a Republican. This is the rare case of him using his political capital to do something good. A Democrat would never be able to do this, and most Republicans wouldn't do it because they are ideologically opposed to it. Trump for whatever reason is actually doing a good thing for the first time since he took office here. Hopefully he continues in this direction.
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Euripides
05/13/2025
07:44 PM
#19
One should always question the motivations of Trump, even if what he does is technically "good" or "right". Those two things don't move the needle for him
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Sir_Will
05/13/2025
07:59 PM
#20
darkknight109 posted...
Genuine question - isn't that a good thing?

If you missed it, Assad's government got overthrown last year and the new government is trying to show that it can be a good steward of Syria. The sanctions were strangling their economy in an effort to force Assad out; now that he's gone, it seems prudent to lift the sanctions, no?
This. Trump sucks but this action is actually good for once. Sanctions can always be put back on if the new government backslides.
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Tyranthraxus
05/13/2025
08:08 PM
#21
Euripides posted...
One should always question the motivations of Trump, even if what he does is technically "good" or "right". Those two things don't move the needle for him

Yes nor does X amount of good things cancel out all the horrible shit he's done, it's just that this specifically isn't anything anyone needs to be enraged about. It's more irritating that if our relationship with Syria in the future is good that it'll be Trump's name at the start of it.
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darkknight109
05/13/2025
08:10 PM
#23
Euripides posted...
One should always question the motivations of Trump, even if what he does is technically "good" or "right". Those two things don't move the needle for him
No, you really don't need to "question" his motivations, because they're pretty much always terrible. So you get your pick of him doing the right thing for the wrong reason or the wrong thing for the wrong reason. One of those is plainly preferable to the other.
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DnDer
05/13/2025
08:30 PM
#24
darkknight109 posted...
the new government is trying to show that it can be a good steward of Syria

Being a good steward of your country these days is steering way the fuck clear of America and Trump's interests.

And after he's gone, being a good steward means keeping a close and skeptical eye on any agreements or aid you shake on with the US, because you never know when an election will end up in take-backsies.
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FFTHEWINNER
05/14/2025
09:00 AM
#25
As a Syrian Christian myself:

The new government has been sending mixed messages in more than one way, and there is a gap between the statements/the orders and what actually happens on the ground. I can say that there is worry, especially after the terrible attacks on the Alawites and Druze in the past couple months. And no democratic actions has been taken so far.

However, the sanctions have been severely hurting the people not the government, and a lot of the people need serious help and support and jobs and what not, and the sanctions are making that much harder.

So lifting the sanctions will help the people of Syria and is a good decision, but at the same time there needs to be continued pressure on the government to ensure democracy actually comes and to ensure their transition into a proper government that truly represents the Syrian people and includes people in high positions from all religion, beliefs, ethnicities, and genders.
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creativerealms
05/14/2025
09:07 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
why though
Because Trump folds if you bribe and compliment him.
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FFTHEWINNER
05/14/2025
03:37 PM
#27
Also, I am curious how @LightSnake interprets the suddenness of this decision. I mean, until two days ago there wasn't a single hint that this decision may come. Heck, unlike Europe the US hadn't even made a single positive move towards Syria since Trump became president.
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LightSnake
05/14/2025
03:39 PM
#28
Lifting sanctions at this point is probably a good decision Id say. I meanthe main issue seems to be the governments lack of control in areas and the sanctions arent helping keep order. Theyre just blocking the people from aid
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Tyranthraxus
05/14/2025
03:44 PM
#29
FFTHEWINNER posted...
Also, I am curious how @LightSnake interprets the suddenness of this decision. I mean, until two days ago there wasn't a single hint that this decision may come. Heck, unlike Europe the US hadn't even made a single positive move towards Syria since Trump became president.
The majority of politics is nothing but backroom deals you never hear about until it's too late.
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FFTHEWINNER
05/16/2025
09:13 AM
#30
Seems like, contrary to trump's statement in Riyadh, the sanctions (according to rubio) will only be suspended not lifted, and the suspension needs to be renewed every six months or the sanctions return...

" Speaking to reporters in Antalya, Turkey, Rubio said the U.S. wants to do everything it can to help achieve a peaceful, stable Syria as the country emerges from 13 years of war.
He added that Republican and Democratic members of the U.S. Congress had asked the Trump administration to use waiver authorities in the "Caesar Act" to lift sanctions.
"That's what the president intends to do. Those waivers have to be renewed every 180 days. Ultimately, if we make enough progress, we'd like to see the law repealed, because you're going to struggle to find people to invest in a country when in six months sanctions could come back," Rubio said.
"We're not there yet, that's premature."
Overturning the bill would require congressional action, but it includes a provision allowing the president to suspend the sanctions for national security reasons. Trump could also issue a general license suspending some or all of the sanctions.
"I think as we make progress hopefully we'll be in a position soon, or one day, to go to Congress and ask them to permanently remove the sanctions," Rubio said. "
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-preparing-issue-some-sanctions-relief-syria-2025-05-15/

Yeah, this just gets more confusing. Trump announces in front of many presidents that they will be removed, and the end result is just a six month renewable suspension that even Rubio admits won't help much in rebuilding the country. WTF??!!
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gikos
05/16/2025
09:35 AM
#31
FFTHEWINNER posted...
Yeah, this just gets more confusing. Trump announces in front of many presidents that they will be removed, and the end result is just a six month renewable suspension that even Rubio admits won't help much in rebuilding the country. WTF??!!
feels like this is been pushed back by some who don't want a stable syria so it's still up in the air if trump will push back cuz he hates when his team try contradict him
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FFTHEWINNER
05/16/2025
09:56 AM
#32
gikos posted...
feels like this is been pushed back by some who don't want a stable syria so it's still up in the air if trump will push back cuz he hates when his team try contradict him
The thing is though that it wouldn't make any sense for Rubio of all people to make a statement like this about an important foreign policy decision unless trump agreed with it, in which case Trump's major announcement about them being removed doesn't make any sense. He explicitly stated that they will be removed. Not suspended or frozen, "all will be removed". And two days later comes this stuff that contradicts everything that was said in front of all these presidents.
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darkace77450
05/16/2025
10:12 AM
#33
FFTHEWINNER posted...
And two days later comes this stuff that contradicts everything

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