No because the whole fucking point of making things is creativity. Expressing yourself.you're wasting your breath. AI people will never get it. it's a creative vs. non-creative issue. TC isn't even thinking about "art," he's only concerned with using it to... get back at companies whose intellectual properties he likes, or maybe doesn't like? it's unclear
No because the whole fucking point of making things is creativity. Expressing yourself.
Having a machine shit out an inferior ripoff devalues that and hurts the small artist more then the big corps.
Now my art is both stolen and buried in vapid meaningless shit. Its harder to find good art and harder to be found. Harder to make a living. I draw something and A.I shits out the same thing but with bigger tits.
Oh and it fuels climate change by using a shitload of energy.
TLDR: You are wrong and I am actively disgusted by your garbage opinion. A.I art needs to be banned. If we can't even be assed to make art or stories without a machine doing everything the fuck is the point of living?
saturates the internet to the point where you can't automatically appreciate art without knowing if someone poured hours of effort into creating or if it's AI.
If you can't tell the difference, what is it that you are missing out on?Supporting an actual artist and not the company that fired all its artists?
Supporting an actual artist and not the company that fired all its artists?
Obviously?
If you want to make a crossover Pokemon vs Digimon game, Nintendo would be powerless to stop you
Here we finally have a way to fight back against that archaic system, by creating something intrusive that ignores it and then adapting our ways around it. It's like what Uber did with taxis, we hated taxis so we supported them despite what they are doing being against the law. This in turn led to the laws changing because of popular demand, the taxi monopolies were broken and their useless anti-competition medallions lost all value.The problem with this is that its being used to screw over artists or performers more then corporations
Imagine a world where you could at the press of a button generate whatever the fuck you want, ignoring copyright. If you want to make a crossover Pokemon vs Digimon game, Nintendo would be powerless to stop you. It's pretty awesome.
The issue raised wasn't one of employment or payment, it was one of artistic appreciationBecause you selectively quoted from PPP's post to ignore the part where he very much was talking about those things?
Obviously.
Because you selectively quoted from PPP's post to ignore the part where he very much was talking about those things?That's a fair point, actually. Apologies to you both.
Are the commercial aspects the only point of difference between AI and human art? Or is there something unique to human art which AI cannot reproduce?
I mean there's also a moral component. Stealing someone's art without using AI is still wrong.This is all true.
The environmental issues seem a bit overblown IMO. I'm not denying that it uses a lot of electricity but so do lots of things. I also don't want to hear about environmental impact when untold amounts of plastic waste is generated annually because people need to have physical copies of the latest EA FC.
The issue raised wasn't one of employment or payment, it was one of artistic appreciation
Obviously.
I think the cat is out of the bag on this and there's no putting it back. Hopefully there will be ways for artists to mark their work online so that it cannot legally be used by AI at some point, but that's all that I can think of that would help the problem moving forward.There are licensed models that train on artwork exclusively with permission of the artist but very few people use them because the big tech companies saturate online information about their own models to where you can never find out they exist in the first place.
I have no problem with AI artwork, but I have a major problem with AI using artistic content without expressed permission.
And what "appreciation" is there with an image that doesn't fuck up things on a basic level like text on a fucking sign in the background?None, obviously. If the AI is producing art of that standard, there's no danger of it ever being appreciated or confused with competent human-produced art.
Or we don't add to the existing by having AI skyrocket energy usages. Plastic waste is a problem, but it being a problem doesn't mean we should ignore other problems.Sure, and I know it's whataboutism or seems like an attempt to sweep carbon emissions under the rug. I just don't see it as some big vice in the grand scheme of things that it needs to be brought up excessively when the impact to labor and collective enshitiffication is far more significant and troubling.
Sure, and I know it's whataboutism or seems like an attempt to sweep carbon emissions under the rug. I just don't see it as some big vice in the grand scheme of things that it needs to be brought up excessively when the impact to labor and collective enshitiffication is far more significant and troubling.
Imagine a world where you could at the press of a button generate whatever the f*** you want, ignoring copyright. If you want to make a crossover Pokemon vs Digimon game, Nintendo would be powerless to stop you. It's pretty awesome.No you can't! Anything like that made by AI would be the most obvious dumpster bin knock-off imaginable and everyone would recognize it as such!
The environmental issues seem a bit overblown though, IMO. I'm not denying that it uses a lot of electricity but so do lots of things. It's mainly the training that's the most hungry, generation isn't much more intensive than 3D rendering or playing a video game. I also don't want to hear about environmental impact when untold amounts of resources are used and plastic waste generated annually because millions of people need to have physical copies of the latest EA FC.
Here we finally have a way to fight back against that archaic system, by creating something intrusive that ignores it and then adapting our ways around it. It's like what Uber did with taxis, we hated taxis so we supported them despite what they are doing being against the law. This in turn led to the laws changing because of popular demand, the taxi monopolies were broken and their useless anti-competition medallions lost all value.
Imagine a world where you could at the press of a button generate whatever the fuck you want, ignoring copyright. If you want to make a crossover Pokemon vs Digimon game, Nintendo would be powerless to stop you. It's pretty awesome.