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Prestoff posted...
TC is not wrong, but what makes this election different is how everyone knows how important the stakes are because we had to live it for 4 years. Last thing we need is another 4 years of that nightmare.
weird how there isn't a huge world conflict during trump though, bush/obama/biden has shit going on for them
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GrandConjuraton posted...
I do want children, yes.

That being said, I would want my children to grow up in a world that is safe and stable. Trump doesn't offer that; he would deliver the exact opposite. The only thing he has to peddle is hate and chaos, and he acknowledges that his policies would destroy the economy in the short-term at minimum, so he doesn't even have that much to go off of.
thats what everyone (should) wants for their kids so youre definitely not alone. We want them to have it better than we did. We want to give them everything that we didnt have.

Reading over trump vs Harris economic policy and I have to agree that his are questionable. Most important thing for me is to provide them with a loving home and thats hard to have if you literally lose your home due to economic collapse.

Since harris is the best shot at stopping that, thats who Id vote for. If I could vote.
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Dyinglegacy posted...
This has got me curious In an extreme event, Would anyone here NOT put the needs of their own family - Their wife and children - above anyone and everyone else? Even at the expense of everyone else if they absolutely had to?
I don't have kids or a spouse, but I wouldn't want a genocidal fascist in power even if it would somehow save me personally, and I wouldn't want my parents to choose that to save me either. Not that it is likely anyone besides some very rich sociopaths who are going to be fine anyway would actually benefit if Trump was in power, aside from people like Putin and Trump himself who clearly deserve to be locked up for the rest of their lives.
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KI_Simpson posted...
I don't have kids or a spouse, but I wouldn't want a genocidal fascist in power even if it would somehow save me personally, and I wouldn't want my parents to choose that to save me either.
Youd sacrifice your children? Just yourself is different, but your kids? I dont think I could do that, no matter the cost. My little baby girl. Theres no way.
seriously. Someone would have to remove me from the picture cause Id doom the planet before that.
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Nukazie posted...
weird how there isn't a huge world conflict during trump though, bush/obama/biden has shit going on for them

...what?
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LeTigre posted...
...what?

They want attention
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Dyinglegacy posted...
Youd sacrifice your children? Just yourself is different, but your kids? I dont think I could do that, no matter the cost. My little baby girl. Theres no way.
seriously. Someone would have to remove me from the picture cause Id doom the planet before that.
I didn't say anything about sacrificing my children, although I don't think it's unlikely my hypothetical children would prefer to make the sacrifice instead of letting a horrific tragedy happen. You'd be causing millions of people to go through the pain you'd be facing, do you think they have any reason not to think you're a monster in this scenario? And if not, why were you defensive about in danger from bigotry being impolite to you because you insisted "I don't care about that" was a justifiable position?
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I thought Trump was going to win in 2016 the moment Clinton responded to "You're the establishment candidate. I'm a rebel!" with "I'm a woman lulululolol"

Obama had the response down "Experience is a good thing" Clinton embraced all of Trump's criticisms as valid and then said vote for her because Vaginas.

It made no sense and cost her key votes in the swing states and I said such at the time.
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@Dyinglegacy
Youd sacrifice your children? Just yourself is different, but your kids? I dont think I could do that, no matter the cost. My little baby girl . Theres no way.
seriously. Someone would have to remove me from the picture cause Id doom the planet before that.

If there is an advantage Trump had in 2016, it's that Republicans could easily believe that Trump rewards his own people. It's why Coronavirus/Covid worked against him. Some previously loyal Republicans got to see first hand that Trump isn't just bigoted. But rather he doesn't care about a single other person.

So yeah, you'll have to explain to me why you think your baby girl will be safe when the fascist is going to encourage disrespect and limited rights to all girls/women.

Not sorry to say, but Trump isn't going to take any voters or family of voters to Prom.

Heck, just the fact that Trump even lost an election at all shows that sometimes you have to give to get even if rarely. So sometimes being self-serving can mess one up just as badly.
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It was a make believe literal doom the world hypothetical. I was under the impression that putting your own family above anyone and everyone else, no matter the cost to anyone and everyone else, was wrong. I dont believe it is, but it seemed that was the impression from most here.

I would pick whatever make believe option that would ensure my own families survival.

Relating to real life, Harris economic policies, if my research is correct, is whats best for my family. That is our biggest struggle now and for the foreseeable future. However, IF it was trump and his economic policies werent garbage and he was the better option, Id pick him.
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Dyinglegacy posted...
It was a make believe literal doom the world hypothetical. I was under the impression that putting your own family above anyone and everyone else, no matter the cost to anyone and everyone else, was bad. I dont believe it is, but it seemed that was the impression from most here.

I would pick whatever make believe option that would ensure my own families survival.

Relating to real life, Harris economic policies, if my research is correct, is whats best for my family. That is our biggest struggle now and for the foreseeable future. However, IF it was trump and his economic policies werent garbage, Id pick him.

End of the world scenario is different than actual real world implications. You bring up making the world a better place for your children... but what about if one of them grow up and are a part of the LGBT community? How about the fact that the climate is getting worse and worse and that is having impacts on things like immigration and global economies? What about the ever increasing wealth gap between the ultra wealthy and the middle/poor class that is sucking more and more people into effective slave labor? These are all real world scenarios that Donnie and the republicans in general exacerbate. What dollar amount is it worth to you now to burden your children with later?
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Our current situation is what Im looking at, in which Harris has the better financial plan. That just so happens to better for most people going forward.

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Dyinglegacy posted...
Our current situation is what Im looking at, in which Harris has the better financial plan. That just so happens to better for most people going forward.

So why not be a literal assassin for hire then?
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Antiyonder posted...
So why not be a literal assassin for hire then?
Assassin Dad!

that would be a great anime, ngl

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Dyinglegacy posted...
Assassin Dad!

that would be a great anime, ngl

Ok, so answer my question. I mean you can't say it's cause you're afraid to harm someone unrelated.

But then as you dodged answering as well you really would be fine with your kids being treated as a second class citizen going forward?
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Antiyonder posted...
Ok, so answer my question. I mean you can't say it's cause you're afraid to harm someone unrelated.

But then as you dodged answering as well you really would be fine with your kids being treated as a second class citizen going forward?
That wasnt a joke question? Lol

I would pick whatever option was the best starting with issues going from the top down. Top issue currently is financial. Top candidate for top issue is Harris. Whatever problems arise after that I will tackle them the best I can.

Top candidate so happens to be best option for most people. If it wasnt, oh well. Still the one Id pick. I wont apologize for putting my own family above everyone else. Ill do it every time.
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Dyinglegacy posted...
Do you have children? Do you want children if you dont already have them?
I have a kid. A daughter. Worrying about economic stability is one thing, but passing down a safer and more equitable world for her to live in is priority number one for me. That's why I could never abide a party that embraces fascism and espouses toxic rhetoric about women and racial minorities. What kind of world am I burdening her with at that point?
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Gwynevere posted...
I have a kid. A daughter. Worrying about economic stability is one thing, but passing down a safer and more equitable world for her to live in is priority number one for me. That's why I could never abide a party that embraces fascism and espouses toxic rhetoric about women and racial minorities. What kind of world am I burdening her with at that point?
I wouldnt want that either.
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@Dyinglegacy
That wasnt a joke question? Lol

Well thanks for being more direct, so I would like to present my question and comments one more time and ask for you to be as direct and thorough in responding please.

Kind of is a joke, but partially serious. It's just that too many people for Trump and just being Right Wingers don't have conviction.

To go outside of the election, it's a big problem with people who try to claim being neutral/apathetic to say bigotry victims, but complained when their decision is frowned upon.

If you want to play the "Everyman for himself" card the one thing you at least concede is shrugging off any negative judgement for yourself or change if you can't handle the blowblack.

Frankly, putting Trump in power is going to cause harm to many people. Only reason people don't go further (My assassin for hire crack) is just cause they want to just focus on themselves (Or just people in their circle/family) yet not be judged poorly.

But yeah can't have it both ways. If you don't give a damn about harming outsiders for financial security own it. If the money coming in is important, then anyone else's opinions should be a non-concern.

I would pick whatever option was the best starting with issues going from the top down. Top issue currently is financial. Top candidate for top issue is Harris. Whatever problems arise after that I will tackle them the best I can.

Top candidate so happens to be best option for most people. If it wasnt, oh well. Still the one Id pick. I wont apologize for putting my own family above everyone else. Ill do it every time.


It would make some sense if your kid was a boy, but even if you don't care for the many women and girls who are going to suffer from his policies, why do you believe your daughter is going to be given immunity to sexism and such?

Or to go to the heart of the matter, why do you think Trump is going to suddenly care about the 99%?
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To be fair, he didn't. They just gave it to him anyway because of this Gerrymandering they call the Electoral College.
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Antiyonder posted...
@Dyinglegacy

Well thanks for being more direct, so I would like to present my question and comments one more time and ask for you to be as direct and thorough in responding please.

Kind of is a joke, but partially serious. It's just that too many people for Trump and just being Right Wingers don't have conviction.

To go outside of the election, it's a big problem with people who try to claim being neutral/apathetic to say bigotry victims, but complained when their decision is frowned upon.

If you want to play the "Everyman for himself" card the one thing you at least concede is shrugging off any negative judgement for yourself or change if you can't handle the blowblack.

Frankly, putting Trump in power is going to cause harm to many people. Only reason people don't go further (My assassin for hire crack) is just cause they want to just focus on themselves (Or just people in their circle/family) yet not be judged poorly.

But yeah can't have it both ways. If you don't give a damn about harming outsiders for financial security own it. If the money coming in is important, then anyone else's opinions should be a non-concern.

It would make some sense if your kid was a boy, but even if you don't care for the many women and girls who are going to suffer from his policies, why do you believe your daughter is going to be given immunity to sexism and such?

Or to go to the heart of the matter, why do you think Trump is going to suddenly care about the 99%?
its not that I dont care at all, its more to the sound that I prioritize my own family numero uno, and financial security is our utmost problem at this time. Its already over and Im just going to keep repeating myself. Besides, I didnt vote Trump anyway. I voted Harris this morning do to superior financial policies.

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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
To be fair, he didn't. They just gave it to him anyway because of this Gerrymandering they call the Electoral College.
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