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spiderman clears with little issue

but batman not so much

and before any one says prep time video debunks that hard
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Idk if enough time to plan would help Batman against the Spidey sense.
He's all alone through the day and night.
Batman combines with the Venom symbiote and goes against Spiderman

Who wins?
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The only one Spider-Man doesn't beat is Poison Ivy.

I guess technically he gets hard stopped at Bat-Mite too but that doesn't count because Batman can't beat Bat-Mite either.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The only one Spider-Man doesn't beat is Poison Ivy.

I guess technically he gets hard stopped at Bat-Mite too but that doesn't count because Batman can't beat Bat-Mite either.
spidey could handle poison ivy just fine

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I'm sure both would have no issues if the writers choose it.
DaTwistedGuns posted...
I'm sure both would have no issues if the writers choose it.
well yes the he even points that out in the video
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AceMos posted...
spidey could handle poison ivy just fine

No.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8ecda43c.jpg
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And no Spider-Man wouldn't be able to replicate Batman's trick here with his webs because her skin is covered in caustic poison that would destroy his webs that touched her instantly. Spider-Man's webs are rapidly biodegradable and you'd need something resistant to survive her acid long enough.

It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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AceMos posted...
spidey could handle poison ivy just fine

100%
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8ecda43c.jpg
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And no Spider-Man wouldn't be able to replicate Batman's trick here with his webs because her skin is covered in caustic poison that would destroy his webs that touched her instantly. Spider-Man's webs are rapidly biodegradable and you'd need something resistant to survive her acid long enough.


he does not need to web her up he can just punch her and knock her out with 1 punch
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AceMos posted...
he does not need to web her up he can just punch her and knock her out with 1 punch

He can try and suddenly there's a massive skyscraper falling on him.

She can block her own thrown skyscraper.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/28894c13.jpg

Batman can also just punch her. There's a reason why he almost never does.
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There's not really a good way to do this kind of comparison tbh. If it were hero vs hero or villain vs villain, sure, but heroes beating villains is how these things work.

There is a superhero named Buckeye. He exists for a couple of panels just so that the world's lamest supervillain can kill him. He is undoubtably the of the barrel. But if he had his own series named Buckeye, he would wallop Darkseid and Thanos in it. Maybe not the first time they meet, but that's how the arc ends guaranteed.
There's a difference between canon and not-stupid.
aw yes we all know how slow spider man is

and collapsing buildings are just a big no no for him yep

its not like he has actually fought INSIDE buildings falling down and come out unharmed or anything

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AceMos posted...
aw yes we all know how slow spider man is

and collapsing buildings are just a big no no for him yep

its not like he has actually fought INSIDE buildings falling down and come out unharmed or anything

By running away. If he stays inside a collapsing building he's going to be seriously hurt.

He can lift about 50 tons I think. Anything heavier than that actually drops on him and he's going to be hurt.
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AceMos posted...
aw yes we all know how slow spider man is

and collapsing buildings are just a big no no for him yep

its not like he has actually fought INSIDE buildings falling down and come out unharmed or anything
Haven't you ever seen this probably totally accurate video that's probably a totally accurate adaptation of a probably real comic book?

https://youtu.be/ngORPZj4wwY?si=GU2HdCQmu5vogp_l

There's a difference between canon and not-stupid.
A lot of Batmans enemies are just regular dudes without powers who are just very mentally ill. Spidey would obviously handle them with no issue

Cant watch the video at the moment but Im curious as to which Spidey villains would give Batman the hardest time. I imagine guys like Rhino or Lizard (think Killer Croc) would be much problem. Batman vs Kraven would probably be interesting
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BlueBoy675 posted...
A lot of Batmans enemies are just regular dudes without powers who are just very mentally ill. Spidey would obviously handle them with no issue

Cant watch the video at the moment but Im curious as to which Spidey villains would give Batman the hardest time. I imagine guys like Rhino or Lizard (think Killer Croc) would be much problem. Batman vs Kraven would probably be interesting

Rhino is way stronger than even Batman's worst... Not counting Bat-Mite or BWL adjacent bullshit. He can probably survive an encounter with rhino by dodging but short of sending him charging off a cliff like some looney tunes shit Batman isn't going to win. And even if he does send Rhino off a cliff, that's just a temporary setback.

The villain Batman does the worst against is probably Green Goblin. People like to draw a lot of comparisons between him and the joker but really those are flawed comparisons because Joker never seriously tries to kill Batman while Green Goblin absolutely would murder him at first opportunity. And that's just the personality difference. Add in all of Green Goblins extra shit and it's a stomp.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
By running away. If he stays inside a collapsing building he's going to be seriously hurt.

He can lift about 50 tons I think. Anything heavier than that actually drops on him and he's going to be hurt.
And Ivy is a normal human in terms of durability trying to fight a guy who can overpower construction equipment.

Not entirely sure what the gigantic vines are supposed to do to Spidey, either. All it does is give him more things for maneuvering.
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BlueBoy675 posted...
A lot of Batmans enemies are just regular dudes without powers who are just very mentally ill. Spidey would obviously handle them with no issue

Cant watch the video at the moment but Im curious as to which Spidey villains would give Batman the hardest time. I imagine guys like Rhino or Lizard (think Killer Croc) would be much problem. Batman vs Kraven would probably be interesting
video creator does think rhino woudl give him trouble

but the big 4 he lists as a issue for batman are

carnage doc ock green goblin and kraven

kraven is mentioned as kraven is just as good at prep time as batman himself

i think thats a fair point but im a bit mixed on it personally as that fight is very much one where you have so many variables
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DrizztLink posted...
And Ivy is a normal human in terms of durability trying to fight a guy who can overpower construction equipment.

Not entirely sure what the gigantic vines are supposed to do to Spidey, either. All it does is give him more things for maneuvering.

They're basically just straight better versions of Doctor Octopus tentacles. Can come from basically anywhere, can lift millions of pounds with ease, block millions of pounds of force, and have no defined size limit.

Like I guess you could say Spider-Man technically can just pick up a sniper rifle and kill her from 1000 yards away but that's uncharacteristic.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
They're basically just straight better versions of Doctor Octopus tentacles. Can come from basically anywhere, can lift millions of pounds with ease, block millions of pounds of force, and have no defined size limit.
And they're gigantic ponderous tentacles trying to hit a guy that could Wonder Woman bullets if he tried.

Like, it's impressive but Spidey is the single best person for dip-dive-dodging through an attack like that.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Rhino is way stronger than even Batman's worst... Not counting Bat-Mite or BWL adjacent bulls***. He can probably survive an encounter with rhino by dodging but short of sending him charging off a cliff like some looney tunes s*** Batman isn't going to win. And even if he does send Rhino off a cliff, that's just a temporary setback.
Eh

Batman pulls whatever nonsense he needs to. He could send him to the Phantom Zone, or drop a space station on him, or shoot him with that gun he killed Darkseid with. *shrugs* Heroes win. It's what they do.
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Eh

Batman pulls whatever nonsense he needs to. He could send him to the Phantom Zone, or drop a space station on him, or shoot him with that gun he killed Darkseid with. *shrugs* Heroes win. It's what they do.

none of these are things batman has access to in this scenario

hell the darkseid thing is debunked in the video even
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Spidey would wreck Poison Ivy.

Im not saying she wouldnt give a great fight, but he would.
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LonelyStoner posted...
Spidey would wreck Poison Ivy.

Im not saying she wouldnt give a great fight, but he would.

Possibly. Similarly, Batman probably finds a way to wreck Rhino. However, of each's rogue gallery, Poison Ivy seems the most "counter"-able to Spiderman, of Batman's villains... And, likewise, Rhino seems the most difficult for Batman to deal with, of Spiderman's. Thus, while the heroes inevitably win, they're matchups that are atleast semi-interesting to debate.
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AceMos posted...
video creator does think rhino woudl give him trouble

but the big 4 he lists as a issue for batman are

carnage doc ock green goblin and kraven

kraven is mentioned as kraven is just as good at prep time as batman himself

i think thats a fair point but im a bit mixed on it personally as that fight is very much one where you have so many variables

Couldn't Batman just make some kind of loud sound generating device to neutralize Carnage? Symbiotes having such a major weakness like that would make it easy for someone like Batman to come up with a way to beat them them I think.

Unless they came up with some way to negate that weakness in the comics.
Srk700 posted...
Couldn't Batman just make some kind of loud sound generating device to neutralize Carnage? Symbiotes having such a major weakness like that would make it easy for someone like Batman to come up with a way to beat them them I think.

Unless they came up with some way to negate that weakness in the comics.
carnage is almost entirely immune to fire and sound now

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It's an interesting thought exercise. But idk, these days it's harder for me to separate power analysis from storytelling.

Batman would beat Spider-Man's villains because in that scenario Batman is the hero of the story. Power differential is irrelevant even discounting the prep-time meme. In an actual story, the characters would have goals and desires that affected their decisions, and there'd be a myriad of ways to choreograph the conflict that didn't necessitate a 1-on-1 melee. (At least, didn't necessitate it for the win condition. There'd inevitably be a fight that'd be set up to give the audience some fan-service action scenes before letting Batman escape)

In an arena death-match Batman realistically gets cremed, by any super-powered character. In an arena death-match, humans get stomped on by Godzilla. But the movie needs to end with Godzilla subdued and so the story is written in a way where the humans find a way. And so would be the same with Batman or any other character.

So, yeah, Batman loses these fights by any traditional comparison. But if "Batman vs Venom" or "Batman vs Doc Ock" were going to be serious stories, Batman wins.
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
It's an interesting thought exercise. But idk, these days it's harder for me to separate power analysis from storytelling.

Batman would beat Spider-Man's villains because in that scenario Batman is the hero of the story. Power differential is irrelevant even discounting the prep-time meme. In an actual story, the characters would have goals and desires that affected their decisions, and there'd be a myriad of ways to choreograph the conflict that didn't necessitate a 1-on-1 melee.

In an arena death-match Batman realistically gets cremed, by any super-powered character. In an arena death-match, humans get stomped on by Godzilla. But the movie needs to end with Godzilla subdued and so the story is written in a way where the humans find a way. And so would be the same with Batman or any other character.

So, yeah, Batman loses these fights by any traditional comparison. But if "Batman vs Venom" or "Batman vs Doc Ock" were going to be serious stories, Batman wins.
the video actually goes into that

discussing how this devalues characters in a way

as villaines are created for their heros to fight in the first place

this idea of who ever the writer wants to win

is missing the point of the characters

its a thing people often comment on about batman specfically

the batman in gotham and the batman in the justice league feel like entirely different characters

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I've not watched the video, but I'm a little confused that people talk about Batman having trouble with Rhino. More than one of his supervillains have super strength.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I've not watched the video, but I'm a little confused that people talk about Batman having trouble with Rhino. More than one of his supervillains have super strength.

Yeah, but the ones that have strength typically have some kind of blatant weakness. For example, Batman often stops Bane by breaking his venom source. Rhino doesn't have that blatant weakness, there's no way to cut off Rhino's strength.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8ecda43c.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b919d01b.jpg

And no Spider-Man wouldn't be able to replicate Batman's trick here with his webs because her skin is covered in caustic poison that would destroy his webs that touched her instantly. Spider-Man's webs are rapidly biodegradable and you'd need something resistant to survive her acid long enough.

This is literally why Spidy has various different webbing formulations. Hell, he even has acidic webbing which suggests his webbing is pretty resistant to acid already.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8dbce2ee.jpg

I feel like people often forget about Peter being an absolute super genius chemist.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I've not watched the video, but I'm a little confused that people talk about Batman having trouble with Rhino. More than one of his supervillains have super strength.
while i do think batman could find away to beat rhino

none of batmans rogues have strength even close to the rhinos

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AceMos posted...
the video actually goes into that

discussing how this devalues characters in a way

as villaines are created for their heros to fight in the first place

I guess I just disagree that one can "devalue" a character.

I can't imagine why one would want to pit Batman against Venom, but if that story were made, I can only assume the writer would have a better hook than "cool bat guy fights cool slime guy". There'd be some inciting incident that drew the reader into *why* Venom and Batman were at odds.

Well I guess it's just as easy that it would be as simple as smashing action figures together. So I guess I mostly disagree with the absolutist language used in a lot of comic vs discussions. Someone could make a good "Batman vs Spider-Man's rogues" story just as well as a bad one.

And I don't really agree with the necessity for a villain to be tailored to the hero. That's how things usually work because of the nature of creative exercise, but the format of comics has seen villains and heroes trade adversaries pretty seamlessly. It can work either because the writer finds a unique angle to make the conflict interesting, or specifically because the villain presents a unique challenge the to hero they wouldn't normally get from their regular villains.

Idk. I skimmed the chapters of the video and mostly agree with his assessments. I just can't agree that a person *couldnt* tell a good story where Batman beats the Green Goblin or something lol.
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AceMos posted...
none of these are things batman has access to in this scenario

hell the darkseid thing is debunked in the video even
Then he uses the quantum neutrino batarang I just made up that phases them into existence or whatever.

The specifics are not the point. If the Justice League all died fighting 7000 Thanos clones, and the next panel was a closeup of freaking Zote the Mighty, Zote would save the day. It's just how these things work.
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Godnorgosh posted...
I stopped watching when he claimed Mysterio would be a threat to Batman

Mysterio is a Scarecrow that doesn't actually have to touch Batman to be effective, and we already know Scarecrow can be a threat.
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StealThisSheen posted...
Yeah, but the ones that have strength typically have some kind of blatant weakness. For example, Batman often stops Bane by breaking his venom source. Rhino doesn't have that blatant weakness, there's no way to cut off Rhino's strength. And if you consider Bane literally broke Batman's back, a Bane that has no way to cut off his strength is clearly very dangerous.
Bane only broke Batman's back after a months long campaign of terror specifically designed to tire Batman out, he didn't just roll up and do it. And one of Batman's villains is Solomon Grundy who is a massive unkillable zombie. His only weakness is that he's dumb which is something he shares with Rhino.

I think Batman could pretty easily find a way to beat him, particularly given that he apparently does just Looney Tunes charge off cliffs.
AceMos posted...
while i do think batman could find away to beat rhino

none of batmans rogues have strength even close to the rhinos
This is true though, I think Rhino overpowers Spider-Man, so he'd be much stronger than Batman's foes.
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pegusus123456 posted...
His only weakness is that he's dumb which is something he shares with Rhino.

While this is true, Rhino is dumb moreso in a way where he's very easy to anger/antagonize, which Spiderman can uniquely do due to his webs and speed/strength, which Batman lacks. Rhino isn't gonna just charge himself off a cliff, he's often egged into doing things, and then blinded by webs, etc. and so on. Batman doesn't have the capabilities to do that as easily as Spiderman does, due to the fact that, well, Spiderman is superhuman. And Rhino easily overpowers Spiderman, who is already superhumanly strong, so that puts him leagues above anything Batman has ever dealt with.
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StealThisSheen posted...
Mysterio is a Scarecrow that doesn't actually have to touch Batman to be effective, and we already know Scarecrow can be a threat.
Ehhhh, this is one I don't really buy either. If anything, I think Mysterio is one of the few villains that Batman handles better than Spider-Man.

Scarecrow is a threat because fear toxin causes a physiological horror response and causes you to relive and hallucinate your own traumas. Even if you know for a fact it's not real, it's still something you have to fight through because your body chemistry is telling you something else.

Mysterio wouldn't be nearly as effective because once Batman knows what's up, he can power through the bullshit in one way or another. His whole identity is powering through bullshit in one way or another. He's even been trained in illusions, so he might even know how some of Mysterio's crap works himself.

I've not really seen Mysterio in the comics outside of Old Man Logan though, so maybe he's more cracked powerwise than I'm thinking, but I just don't see him being a major issue for Batman.

StealThisSheen posted...
While this is true, Rhino is dumb moreso in a way where he's very easy to anger/antagonize, which Spiderman can uniquely do due to his webs and speed/strength, which Batman lacks. Rhino isn't gonna just charge himself off a cliff, he's often egged into doing things, and then blinded by webs, etc. and so on. Batman doesn't have the capabilities to do that as easily as Spiderman does, due to the fact that, well, Spiderman is superhuman. And Rhino easily overpowers Spiderman, who is already superhumanly strong, so that puts him leagues above anything Batman has ever dealt with.
This is coming dangerously close to the time to plan meme but....Batman would just plan to do that. The initial encounter would be a loss for sure, but Batman would come up with something that lets him use Spider-Man's tactics or something close to it.
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againi do think batman can handle mysterio but its not gona be easy to get past holograms that can defy your 5 senses

batman cant just close his eyes and uses his ears or something as those will be deceived to

hell im 99% sure mysterio can make solid holograms
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I could see Batman flashbacking to when he was about 23, and training with some monks in the Himalayas to use some obscure meditation technique to beat Mysterio.
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