Well China is the sole party trying to extend the internationally recognized territorial waters boundaries far, far further than every other country in the region which is creating the dispute in the first place.
Source: you made it up. See that blue line in your own map? You think Vietnam's claims are internationally recognized?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a03b93b9.jpg
And of course, the tensions escalated when Obama initiated the Pivot to Asia program to confront China after a decade being bogged down in the Middle East, and China responded LOL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration
Why are you all acting like China would invade US politics through the GOP when it's clear they'd be able to do it from the left for practically free lolThey are literally amping up the Trump campaign as we speak.
See that giant red line that extends so far from China that you could fit multiple countries inside of it? Your visual acuity must be as bad as my reading comprehension if you can't see it spreading all the way down along every other countrys' coasts.
In December 1947, the Ministry of Interior of the Nationalist government released "Location Map of South Sea Islands" () showing an eleven-dash line. Scholarly accounts place its publication from 1946 to 1948 and indicate that it originated from an earlier one titled "Map of Chinese Islands in the South China Sea" () published by the ROC Land and Water Maps Inspection Committee in 1935. Beginning in 1952, the People's Republic of China (PRC) used a revised map with nine dashes, removing the two dashes in the Gulf of Tonkin. The change was interpreted as a concession to the newly independent North Vietnam; the maritime border between PRC and Vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin was eventually formalized by treaty in 2000.
Time to stop lying. China has followed the same line since 1947, back when most of the other countries were European colonies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line
So the line was drawn up by the ROC which the PRC simply follows, and its claims actually decreased under the PRC. Oops.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8b46e6fd.jpg
A 1946 map showing a U-shaped eleven-dash line was first published by the Republic of China government on 1 December 1947.[8] In 1952, Mao Zedong of the PRC decided to remove two of the dashes in the Gulf of Tonkin amid warming ties with North Vietnam.[9][10] However, the ROC government still uses the eleven-dash line.[11][7] In 2013, some were surprised by a tenth dash to the east of Taiwan, but it had been present in PRC maps since as early as 1984.[12][13] As of 2014, the PRC government had not clarified what it specifically claims in the map.[13]
On 12 July 2016, an arbitral tribunal concluded that China's claim of historic rights over high seas has no lawful effect where they exceed the terms of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).[15][16] One of the arguments was that China had not exercised exclusive control over these waters and resources. The tribunal cannot rule on matters of territorial sovereignty, however.[17] Over 20 governments have called for the ruling to be respected.[18][19] It has been rejected by eight governments, including the PRC and the ROC
See... The the problem with you linking to Wikipedia is that I have the ability to then click on that link and read all the stuff you cut out:
LMAO that selective quotation. Since when did the PCA stated that Vietnam's claims are somehow valid? It says a lot when Taiwan also rejected the ruling and they also abide the same claims.
LMAO tell me who started the Chinese Civil Warhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/ffac19d0.png
Why are you all acting like China would invade US politics through the GOP when it's clear they'd be able to do it from the left for practically free lolFrom the left you ctazy
You seem to have caught some of the reading comprehension problems I must have, because you keep bringing up Vietnam over and over again even though I keep talking about the illegitimacy of China's claims.
But hey, good on you for recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation that makes its own rulings.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/ffac19d0.png
Oh look, you've all gone and let Fenris derail another topic about China
I just consider it free bumps for the topic so more people are aware that China is yet again having a practice invasion of an independent nation. If Fenris wants to keep spouting nonsense and keeping the topic bumped, that's fine by me. Nobody is going to take what he says seriously and every single post he makes is working directly against China's interests by letting more people know how aggressive they are.
Edit: it's also fun to watch fenris screw up on his propaganda in real time, like when he accidentally acknowledged Taiwan was a country and then in the next replies switched back to using three letter terminology for the governments.
Remember when Vietnamese nationalists responded by enraging in riots against factories supposedly owned by Chinese businesses, but turns out the majority were not?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vietnam_anti-China_protests
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/vietnamese-authorities-detain-hundreds-riots-chinese
How does that change the fact that you falsely claimed that China "expanded its claims", when evidence demonstrated otherwise?
You seem to have caught some of the reading comprehension problems I must have, because you keep bringing up Vietnam over and over again even though I keep talking about the illegitimacy of China's claims.
But hey, good on you for recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation that makes its own rulings.
You seem to have caught some of the reading comprehension problems I must have, because you keep bringing up Vietnam over and over again even though I keep talking about the illegitimacy of China's claims.
But hey, good on you for recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation that makes its own rulings.
They are literally amping up the Trump campaign as we speak.
LMAO prove that Vietnam's claims are legitimate. You don't get to accuse China's claims of being excessive then ignore Vietnam's claims.
The fact that ROC and PRC agreed on the same maritime boundaries demonstrate that they have the same origins. It's hilarious that you brag about Taiwan's sovereignty then ignore their maritime claims when it's convenient.
china built a 1:1 training ground that mimics taiwans lanescapes, streets and businesses. they are gaining intel on where everything is.No.
taiwan could be the last straw of a possible world war. BRICS vs US and allies.
I don't have to prove another country's claims are legitimate in a discussion where my assertion is that China's aren't. I haven't made a single assertion about Vietnam's claims, valid or not, anywhere.
But I can say with certainty that YOU believe that Vietnam's claims are invalid but China's are. So the only person who's openly declared any kind of double standard is you.
Well China is the sole party trying to extend the internationally recognized territorial waters boundaries far, far further than every other country in the region which is creating the dispute in the first place.
Beginning in 1952, the People's Republic of China (PRC) used a revised map with nine dashes, removing the two dashes in the Gulf of Tonkin. The change was interpreted as a concession to the newly independent North Vietnam; the maritime border between PRC and Vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin was eventually formalized by treaty in 2000.
Both China and Vietnam are parties in the same dispute, so I have every right to bring up Vietnam's claims, and you don't get to pick and choose which ones are legitimate or not.
You falsely claimed in post 50 that China's trying to EXTEND its claims, when in fact it was simply following the claims made by the ROC which fled to Taiwan.
Well China is the sole party trying to extend the internationally recognized territorial waters boundaries far, far further than every other country in the region which is creating the dispute in the first place.
Yet facts demonstrate otherwise, and China had made concessions to Vietnam in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line
But apparently you do, since you're still arguing that Vietnam's claim is illegitimate but China's is totally valid.
I was really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but after all that nonsense about reading comprehension it seems that you really, actually failed to understand that sentence.
I didn't claim that they had extended their boundaries beyond some prior claim. What I said is that China's claim extends far beyond the internationally recognized distance at which countries are allowed to claim ownership of territorial waters. The EEZ.
Here, here's a better picture to help you with reading comprehension. The dotted blue line is what part of the South China Sea owns by right. The daft red line is what China is claiming above and beyond that.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/24cdc7be.jpg
From the left you ctazy
Can anyone give me a quick refresher on Fenriswolf's thoughts on the way the CCP treats the Uyghurs?
Oh look, you've all gone and let Fenris derail another topic about China
FFS, wtf do you think would happen to the Chinese economy if they go to war with the west? It aint gonna happen, people. It would be suicide.
It's a veiled threat. Not against Taiwan, but specifically just the new leader.You need to learn what veiled means. Because it's definitely an open threat.
@fenriswolf literally cannot explain what China uses the 9 dash line for.
Fenris is no longer an active user, FYI. Finally got the Banhammer.
Fenris is no longer an active user, FYI. Finally got the Banhammer.
Fenris is no longer an active user, FYI. Finally got the Banhammer.He's suspended, not banned
Taiwan is a country whether CCP shills like it or not.
He's suspended, not bannedJeffhardyboyz got one that ended up as a warning.
Which actually may as well functionally be the same thing, come to think of it. I'm not sure I've seen a suspension since the board got locked that didn't end up resulting in a purg.
Anyone ever figure out why Fenris is simping for China so hard?
CE has a history of CCP shills.
Shablagoo, fenriswolf, trowabarton and many more.
None of them outright support the CCP's policies, they just don't like the usual US stereotypes against China. I mean, people still uncritically regurgitate debunked claims like "social credit" and "Winnie the Pooh is banned in China".
Bro, shablagoo literally said Mao and his policies were based and got rightfully suspended for it
debunked claims like "social credit" and "Winnie the Pooh is banned in China"https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/ffac19d0.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/ffac19d0.png
He's suspended, not banned
Which actually may as well functionally be the same thing, come to think of it. I'm not sure I've seen a suspension since the board got locked that didn't end up resulting in a purg.
Who started the Chinese Civil War, lost, and fled to Taiwan with all the gold while preventing mainland China from being recognised at the UN?