Its crazy how hard Doctor Who fell off

12th Doctor era was a nadir

I fell off after Capaldi's first season. Meant to get back into it, but never did. (Especially since they kept switching the streaming platform it was on at the time.)

I fell off after Capaldi's first season. Meant to get back into it, but never did. (Especially since they kept switching the streaming platform it was on at the time.)

Pretty much this for me too. I liked Capaldi as the Doctor a lot, actually. I just didn't like the stories they were giving him.

How was the Whittaker run?

Great actress, bad writers. Wasn't given the chance to shine as the Doctor outside a couple of really amazing eps ( Demons of the Punjab always seems to be the one to get named first).

So... it's like every other Doctor?

We've had great actors with bad stories since ones like Underwater Menace and Happiness Patrol , to hit both ends of the Old Who spectrum.

Frankly sounds a lot like Capaldi, I'd probably struggle to get through her episodes too. That's a shame.

Frankly sounds a lot like Capaldi, I'd probably struggle to get through her episodes too. That's a shame.

If you don't enjoy Capaldi I don't see how Whitaker would be better. The writing (and production) for her is rough .

I've enjoyed every episode of Gatwa, so far. Not all perfect, but feels much better. The recent episode, Boom, was actually pretty edgy in a good way.

How was the Whittaker run?

Mixed, but definitely more good than bad.

Would you like a jelly baby?

Actually, no. I would not. They're awful.

Years ago, I got to go to UK with a school trip. I was a tourist. Going to have my first jelly babies in a paper bag and all that shit.

I was lied to. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those things that you hear about in a retrospective that he hated them, too, and it was just because, I don't know, licorice would have been weird to carry around and no one actually eats butterscotch candies that the script made him use jelly babies.

How was the Whittaker run? It's hard to ask that without getting a bunch of chud responses. Is it worth pushing through the Capaldi run if I really didn't enjoy it? Or is it more the same?

You realise they are actually popular, right? And the fact that you dont like them doesnt automatically mean that nobody else does?

None of them have Captain Jack, so to hell with them!

I really liked the Flux season - it was the best Who we'd had in years. The rest of the Whittaker era was also pretty good overall - sure, there were some weaker episodes like Kerblam and The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos (not great for a season finale, I admit), but then there was great stuff like Demons of the Punjab, The Witchfinders, Spyfall, the Tesla episode and Fugitive of the Judoon.

Actually, no. I would not. They're awful.

Years ago, I got to go to UK with a school trip. I was a tourist. Going to have my first jelly babies in a paper bag and all that shit.

I was lied to. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those things that you hear about in a retrospective that he hated them, too, and it was just because, I don't know, licorice would have been weird to carry around and no one actually eats butterscotch candies that the script made him use jelly babies.

I agree with this.

Personally I think The Timeless Children is the worst Dr Who episode ever including the Twin Dilemma, Moaning Myrtle Blowjob Tile and Timelash. Only one I don't count is the Children in Need/Eastenders special.

I think it fundamentally fails on every level.

For a casual or first time audience, it's boring, poorly filmed, so dull and uncreative.
For a long time fan: It's a harsh kick in the teeth for no reason with no payoff

"The Master forces The Doctor to watch his powerpoint presentation where he tells her she's adopted" is barely an exaggeration

The Timeless Child story was something Chibnall had wanted to tell ever since he was a child. I don't have a source but Jodie Whittaker was quoted saying it in an article. If anyone remembers this and has a link, please share. I assume he watched the Morbius story when he was a child and came up with it then. It shows in the quality of the story and how much it ignores the following 30+ years of character development.