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Retro games: Shovel Knight, Axiom Verge
Vintage games: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse
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Retro has multiple meanings

Being from the past
Related to
Invoking feelings of despite being current

And more
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what is the primary definition though
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Something old or outdated

I think what you're talking about is more commonly used as "retro style" which is consciously choosing to be styled like older items or fashion
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Retro (from the French term "retrograde") means "modern-made with the fashion or the function of a past design."

Halo 2600 is a retro "demake" for the 2600.
Metroid is a classic NES game for the NES.
Hydlide is an old NES game for the NES.
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You wouldn't call vintage clothing "retro" (only new clothing inspired by old fashions is properly called retro). A classic car is never "retro", but a new car can have retro styling. But software is ephemeral. You have to "create" it in RAM to run it. This is why "retro" can be used to describe old games: You are recreating an old thing. Retrocomputing also refers to using very old hardware, but even then, there's the connotation of "bringing it back to life", rather than simply just turning on a slightly dusty PC.

If you are playing an older game, is that act 'retro'?
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ai123 posted...
If you are playing an older game, is that act 'retro'?

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This topic is so retro
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tankboy posted...
You wouldn't call vintage clothing "retro"
You shouldn't call clothing vintage, anyway; that term refers to wine made from a vineyard's grapes of a specific harvest year.
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tankboy posted...
A classic car is never "retro"
A kit car, with parts newly made in the style and having the specifications of the original design, can be though. The term "retro" for a car might be uncommon, but it is accurate and correct. Then there is the Plymouth Prowler:

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1930s coup outer body design with a modern conveniences interior design--more "retro-inspired" than "retro."
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tankboy posted...
But software is ephemeral.
So is liquid refreshment, but conditions can be created to preserve it in its usable state almost indefinitely. ;)
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Regardless of the actual definition, 'retro gaming' is used to describe playing old outdated shit. Even has its own wiki page.
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andri_g posted...
You shouldn't call clothing vintage, anyway; that term refers to wine made from a vineyard's grapes of a specific harvest year.

I believe that outside of wine, "vintage" is a term of art that means "old but not old enough to be antique".
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The act of playing the old games is retro, but the games themselves are not retro.

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TroutPaste posted...
what is the primary definition though
goalpost shifting
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Doe posted...
goalpost shifting

wouldn't the secondary definition be the shift
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andri_g posted...

You shouldn't call clothing vintage, anyway; that term refers to wine made from a vineyard's grapes of a specific harvest year.
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A kit car, with parts newly made in the style and having the specifications of the original design, can be though. The term "retro" for a car might be uncommon, but it is accurate and correct. Then there is the Plymouth Prowler:

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1930s coup outer body design with a modern conveniences interior design--more "retro-inspired" than "retro."
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So is liquid refreshment, but conditions can be created to preserve it in its usable state almost indefinitely. ;)


vintage
2 of 2
adjective

2
: of old, recognized, and enduring interest,
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At the end of the day it's not a big deal. Old, new, just enjoy yourself
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Revelation34 posted...
vintage
2 of 2
adjective

2
: of old, recognized, and enduring interest,
From an on-line dictionary. I'm not criticizing you; you "cared enough" to search and to post one of the results.

The problem, most likely, is the source of the result. On-line dictionaries are made to show a consensus of how "enough people on-line *currently* use a word"--subject to change with no advance notice. So, let me post this so I can "return the favor." :)
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vintage (n.)
[Old French]: vendenge, "vine-harvest"
[Latin]: vinum + de-mere "wine [vineyard]-from-take"

Note: In the 18th century, its usage added the year to indicate when the grapes of a wine were harvested. Early in the 20th century [in the 1920s], its use deviated from harvested wine to manufactured automobiles--from nature to technology. Other usages have been created, since, as deviations of this deviation.
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Doe posted...
goalpost shifting
Goalpost shifting? Yes, indeed; truly.
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andri_g posted...

From an on-line dictionary. I'm not criticizing you; you "cared enough" to search and to post one of the results.

The problem, most likely, is the source of the result. On-line dictionaries are made to show a consensus of how "enough people on-line *currently* use a word"--subject to change with no advance notice. So, let me post this so I can "return the favor." :)
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vintage (n.)
[Old French]: vendenge, "vine-harvest"
[Latin]: vinum + de-mere "wine [vineyard]-from-take"

Note: In the 18th century, its usage added the year to indicate when the grapes of a wine were harvested. Early in the 20th century [in the 1920s], its use deviated from harvested wine to manufactured automobiles--from nature to technology. Other usages have been created, since, as deviations of this deviation.
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Goalpost shifting? Yes, indeed; truly.


I used a real dictionary. Not the shitty Google dictionary.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/
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bnui_ransder posted...
Retro has multiple meanings

Being from the past
Related to
Invoking feelings of despite being current

And more

Im sure TC was aware of this when he made the topic and is just trying to get people to react.

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Im.fine with the idea of returning to old things being called retro.
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Revelation34 posted...
I used a real dictionary.
But you posted the link for an on-line dictionary. :| Printed dictionaries and on-line dictionaries, even ones from the same organization or publisher, are not the same.
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Here's the main entry from a printed dictionary used by writing departments "for legal and technical documents":

vintage (n.): "the year in which the grapes are picked for the production of a particular wine"
Etymology: Old French "vendange"; from Latin "vindemia" (vinum "wine" + demerae "remove")
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Btw, "goalpost shifting" is only a reference [to Doe's post #18 as a reply to post #3] for "retro," not [your post #20 in reply to my #12] for "vintage." Your quote removed this reference.
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andri_g posted...

But you posted the link for an on-line dictionary. :| Printed dictionaries and on-line dictionaries, even ones from the same organization or publisher, are not the same.
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Here's the main entry from a printed dictionary used by writing departments "for legal and technical documents":

vintage (n.): "the year in which the grapes are picked for the production of a particular wine"
Etymology: Old French "vendange"; from Latin "vindemia" (vinum "wine" + demerae "remove")
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Btw, "goalpost shifting" is only a reference [to Doe's post #18 as a reply to post #3] for "retro," not [your post #20 in reply to my #12] for "vintage." Your quote removed this reference.


That would be because the printed dictionaries are outdated.
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There are people calling ps3 retro, and i cant get behind it. Games still resemble ps3 and even 2 games.
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There are people calling ps3 retro, and i cant get behind it. Games still resemble ps3 and even 2 games.


Those people are just weirdos.
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Revelation34 posted...
That would be because the printed dictionaries are outdated.
No. Printed dictionaries (updated after several years) are "stable reference" sources that cite well-defined and well-established uses. Without them, legally enforceable contracts could not exist; public services, manufacturing, transportation, and even grocery stores could not function.

On-line dictionaries (updated every few months) are "unstable reference" sources that compromise by, if necessary, citing trendy terms and showing the best possible ways of using them.
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If people use it to mean "old", it means "old". That's how language works. Dictionaries are an attempt to describe it; they are not the authority that sets the rules.
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People don't call old things retro, they call things imitative of old things retro. At least people who know the language words of speaking meaning things.

So yeah, good point.
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