I've never been able to figure out what the point of it is.basically an encylopedia of writing tools
Oh yeah thats pretty cool is a valueIt's a strictly worse version of whatever the actually cool thing was.
As opposed to the immense value found herePersonally I do find value here. If you don't, might I suggest doing something with your time you value? I'm not saying you have to leave if you don't want to, but if you're not deriving any sort of pleasure from posting here, you'd probably be happier doing something you actually want to.
Thinking something has no value because it has no value to you is pretty narrow-minded. What's wrong with letting people just have fun?What value does it have aside of "oh yeah that was pretty cool"? I'd argue it's an active negative because it's lead a lot of people to think and write in terms of tropes instead of a cohesive story.
Some of the tropes are really reaching and then the examples often reach even more leaving you wondering if this is actually a thing.Yeah some of them definitely hit Urban Dictionary levels of believability
It did. Ever since around 2021 they had a big Fandom-esque change in the system and now they intentionally look for things to change or remove.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/190ggpl/tv_tropes_have_been_nonstop_purging_trope_left/
It's also run by a mod and admin that rivals Dtoast in incompetence.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tvtropes/comments/1771u0e/memoirs_of_an_extroper_a_critical_selfexamination/#k4rn3vg
https://www.reddit.com/r/tvtropes/comments/16m0nqg/when_will_tv_tropes_just_cease_to_function_or/
https://old.reddit.com/r/tvtropes/comments/1bcccfq/fighteer_encourages_suicide_of_those_he_finds/
What value does it have aside of "oh yeah that was pretty cool"? I'd argue it's an active negative because it's lead a lot of people to think and write in terms of tropes instead of a cohesive story.Tropes are a crucial part of writing, though. They are part of what makes a cohesive story for a reader. Understanding tropes and their history can be very beneficial to a writer as they allow them to communicate concepts with an easily understood literary short-hand, and they allow them to subvert them to keep the reader guessing.
Tropes are a crucial part of writing, though. They are part of what makes a cohesive story for a reader. Understanding tropes and their history can be very beneficial to a writer as they allow them to communicate concepts with an easily understood literary short-hand, and they allow them to subvert them to keep the reader guessing.well said
Tropes are a crucial part of writing, though. They are part of what makes a cohesive story for a reader. Understanding tropes and their history can be very beneficial to a writer as they allow them to communicate concepts with an easily understood literary short-hand, and they allow them to subvert them to keep the reader guessing.We seem to have gotten on just fine for hundreds of years without TV Tropes, and all I've seen come out of it is incredibly annoying writing saying "haha i'm doing the bad cliche! but it's okay because i'm pointing it out", or something on that level.
They've made it so that "meta" real life creation stuff couldn't be put in the Tearjerker/Heartwarming/Awesome pages anymore.hate this so much as i legit found news stories do to stuff like this
They're also changing a bunch of images from nicher works to more mainstream works which is annoying since I used those images to get introduced to new works before too.I noticed this the last time I visited the site (a while ago by now) and it was really disappointing. That kind of site is ideally powered by niche weirdos and nothing good will come from trying to normie-ize it
I noticed this the last time I visited the site (a while ago by now) and it was really disappointing. That kind of site is ideally powered by niche weirdos and nothing good will come from trying to normie-ize itthere is a middle ground for this kinda stuff i wish corpos would be able to see
Same. There used to be a ton of obscure trivia and secrets in various pages that are just now gone.one of my fave tropes complete monster is slowly being gutted
Also, the getting crap past the radar trope seems to have been completely gutted. I don't even really know why. Pretty much all the Radar pages are now gone.
one of my fave tropes complete monster is slowly being gutted
i noticed luca blight from suikoden 2 is no longer called a complete monster and i legit have no idea why
one of my fave tropes complete monster is slowly being guttedThis would because people were slapping random asshole characters on there so you had instances of unironically comparing characters like Mr Krabs from SpongeBob to Judge Holden from the Blood Meridian.
It exists solely so that you can scroll through it for an hour and think "oh yeah that was pretty cool" every few minutes.This is describing a kind of value. So wtf is the point of this topic?
Oh that I follow. They're extremely strict about it. Pretty much any sign of genuine fondness for someone means they don't count. Even if they're a mass child rapist and murderer who killed their mother, if they cried while killing their mother and kept her severed head on their dresser it doesn't count. This was an actual example. I saw people vote that down because it means he had some sort of love for his mother. Characters with genuine well intention also don't count even if they're completely insane like causing genocide because they believe humanity is corrupt and they want to the world to heal. Of course they'll pick and choose interpretations for that. Like Dio from Jojo counts despite his respect for Jonathan and apparent genuine friendship with Pucci because they figure he was just using Pucci. Light Yagami also counts because he apparently doesn't really care about helping the world, he just wants to stroke his ego. They also figure his concern for his sister doesn't count because he doesn't actually show it much.that is insane
I think the weirdest part is that they also compare it to the "heinous standard" of that franchise. So a guy that rapes 20 children won't count because there's a guy who raped 40 children. But then they also add in resources like if the guy who raped 40 children was in a higher position to do so and people with less resources are worse and how off-screen/in the background it was and some other crazy mumbo jumbo.
They literally have voting councils for this and take votes from people (where the vast majority of users haven't actually seen the work so they just base everything off of a couple of people) for this. And because of this voting process there have been literal cliques that formed and it got so bad they had to shut the thread down and create a new one several months later.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok
It's as insane it sounds.
that is insane
the complete monstertrope should be based on 2 key things
1 how they are viewed in universe for their actions
2 how evil they are within their own universe (in other words no comparing them to other villians from other series)
It's not really a fandom reaction thing. It's their own personal arbitrary technicalities. Like pretty much the entire viewerbase would consider that aforementioned mass child murderer example a complete monster and him crying while killing his mother doesn't change that but since their criteria is 0 "genuine" fondness that means he doesn't count. A "made of evil" character doesn't count because they technically have no agency for being evil even if they're meant to be complete monsters (hell, the name "complete monster" itself should cover that) and the rest of the fandom does see it that way.
It's pretty clear most of these are just so they can limit what's put on the site.