The Death Penalty, what's your stance?

They both involve innocent people potentially dying due to human error in the justice system. They aren't anywhere near as different as you want them to be.

You cant be posting that sincerely. You just cant.

Bringing up car accidents isn't even remotely related to the concept of the government putting innocent people to death or being responsible via letting guilty mass murderers go.

Tom needs an enema because he's clearly.full.of shit.

They are completely incomparable.

No they're not.

Thats the point that was being made

Yes they are.

Both both involve the government being responsible for the death of innocents. One's admittedly a bit more direct but they have far more in common with each other than driving fatalities.

No they're not.

You just want to release mass murderers.

This is a bit, right? It has to be.

Yes they are. Objectively. The only commonality is that they involve the justice system.

So now we're at the point where you start making stupid baseless accusations. Usually the trolls hold out longer than this.

Dude. For dog's sake.

We are talking about the death penalty.

If you want to have a conversation about parole, make your own topic.

It's the only possible justification you could have for being in favor of one and not the other.

Quote where I said I was in favor of releasing mass murderers.

And I'm talking about the hypocrisy some death penalty opponents who want to release mass murderers have. If you can't handle that I don't give a damn.

Where does anyone say they want to release mass murderers?

You do know that it's not just a dichotomy of "kill them" or "release them", right?

We have a secret third thing.

That's the only reason you could possibly have for opposing what I'm saying. If you agree mass murders should be locked up fpr life then there is no issue.

And I'm talking about the hypocrisy some death penalty opponents who want to release mass murderers have. If you can't handle that I don't give a damn.

I (and everyone else) are telling you the situations aren't comparable, not arguing in favor of releasing mass murders. Learn to read.

If you think life without parole is the only possible solution for mass murderers then there shouldn't be an issue with what I'm saying.

No, what youre doing is called a straw man.

Youre arguing against a position that nobody has put forward.

It remains a false dichotomy that you're using to derail the topic, and hey, good job on that.

Unless you think life without parole and the death penalty are the same thing?

The only one itt who has come anywhere close to making a convincing argument from that is bfslick50. The rest of you have just said "It's not the same because we said so." Or coming up with strawman arguments like Tom.

Nobody itt. But I have seen several users on this site and board who have argued that Norway should release Breivik if they're almost certain he's been rehabilitated and I think it's extremely hypocritical to be against the death penalty because innocent peoplecould be killed and be in favor of releasing Breivik or people like him who have shown a desire to kill innocent people.

The only one itt who has come anywhere close to making a convincing argument from that is bfslick50. The rest of you have just said "It's not the same because we said so."

Cars transport people to destinations, executions don't really serve much of a purpose at all; they don't reduce crime rates, they don't seem to have an improvement on mental health outcomes of victim's families, and they don't stop someone who is already apprehended. What purpose does it serve then if it has the byproduct of killing people with no discernable benefits?

1. It's not the same because the only commonality is that it involves the justice system, which I already told you. Abolishing the death penalty has absolutely nothing to do with releasing mass murderers.

2. This has nothing to do with your ridiculous leap in logic that we must now be arguing in favor of releasing mass murderers. Again, quote where I argued for this.

I feel like ForsakenHermit is waging a campaign against an army of straw.

I feel like ForsakenHermit is waging a campaign against an army of straw.

Second and third option. It's expensive, innocent people get executed, it doesn't act as a deterrent... and it's wrong.

You forgot innocent people dying with the justice system.

I haven't really argued for the death penalty itt, other to say some crimes are so severe that I'm not going to be in your corner if you have a death sentence on your head. So I don't know why you're acting like I'm a death penalty activist.

You forgot to quote where I supported the scenario where innocent people die because the justice system released a mass murderer. You need to do that or apologize.

And no, the government directly killing an innocent person and an innocent person being killed by someone released (doesn't even need to be a mass murderer; people who have committed murder have served time, been released, and killed again) are not the same thing.

So let me get this straight if a mass murderer gets released from prison

When would this ever happen?

It's possible in Norway and Canada. And some people really do believe that mass murderers should be released if they're rehabilitated. Like The_Superstar and K181.

Has it happened?