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Current Events » If existential fear won't get you to vote against Trump, then nothing will.
I've been meaning to close my account before the inevitable happens. This topic has delayed me slightly. I just want to say that, if the GOP has gone full fascist, out-voting them won't stop them. A vote is basically announcing support for or against. And I'm not announcing support for Biden unless he changes his stance.

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Yazarogi posted...
that is a hot take, this whole thing with these people would be alleviated with ranked choice voting. But that makes to much sense.
I mean, this change absolutely needs to happen. The point stands, way too many people aren't worthy to vote. They aren't intelligent, aware, of non-prejudiced enough.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...
I mean, this change absolutely needs to happen. The point stands, way too many people aren't worthy to vote. They aren't intelligent, aware, of non-prejudiced enough.
I'm sure you think you fit the bill, though.
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legendary_zell posted...
I don't advocate abstaining.

Fortune Cookie does. But I don't see you telling him that he's wrong, you're focused on Cemith the meanie.

legendary_zell posted...
You must grapple with that reality and your current approach won't change it. The exact problem that blackpills people is that there's no option not to facilitate a genocide. That's not a system that inspires participation.

Again. No one that needed convincing was going to vote anyway. I'm sorry the US Election System is shit but I'm not willing to kowtow to fascism because our system is broken
legendary_zell posted...
You're gonna have to tell my Jewish and Palestinian friends who are organizing relief efforts, trying to evacuate family, and organizing protests across the US to pressure the government and other institutions that they actually don't care about Gaza because they don't feel comfortable voting for the guy supplying the bombs killing their family. They'll be surprised to hear that they don't care and that what they're doing is equivalent to breeding fighting dogs!

I'm glad they're helping! Doesn't change the reality that if Trump wins the election that Gaza is glassed. Why you refuse to acknowledge this is disturbing.

legendary_zell posted...
No one has said this. Trump would be worse. That's why some of us are doing everything we can to stop Biden from doing anything that could make him lose and others are trying to shout those people down and get Biden to just bulldoze through and hope for the best.

The US is a binary. He either wins or loses.

legendary_zell posted...
Smugness seems to be far more important to you than anything else.

Defending democracy is up there. It's why people need to vote Blue in November.
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FortuneCookie posted...
I've been meaning to close my account before the inevitable happens. This topic has delayed me slightly. I just want to say that, if the GOP has gone full fascist, out-voting them won't stop them. A vote is basically announcing support for or against. And I'm not announcing support for Biden unless he changes his stance.

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Good bye! Vote Blue in November! And we all saw the part where you ignored my post about Trump installing his yes men!
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DrizztLink posted...
I'm sure you think you fit the bill, though.
Oh, absolutely. I'm a genius.

But you're right, of course, that any system that would qualify who is "worthy" will have inherent flaws or bias. But, at the same time, we will all be resigned to watching our democracy slowly die from the inside out.
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Cemith posted...
Fortune Cookie does. But I don't see you telling him that he's wrong, you're focused on Cemith the meanie.


My approach to him and his stance in this topic is much more likely to get him to change than yours is. He's not saying he'll vote for Trump or abstain, he's saying he will abstain if Biden doesn't change his stance. Urging the types of actions that might bring that about is the best way to strengthen democracy, fight fascism, and ensure Biden wins.
Again. No one that needed convincing was going to vote anyway. I'm sorry the US Election System is shit but I'm not willing to kowtow to fascism because our system is broken


That's absolutely not true. There's many people who can still be brought on board. Believing otherwise is just your version of a blackpill and can also lead to a Biden loss. Except instead of organizing to direct your anger at the powerful, you're directing it impotently at randos online. If that's not kowtowing to fascism, it's at least kowtowing to the conditions that produce fascism.

I'm glad they're helping! Doesn't change the reality that if Trump wins the election that Gaza is glassed. Why you refuse to acknowledge this is disturbing.

I do acknowledge it, that's why I want Biden to win. The only good outcome here is a Biden win and a change of stance by him. That's the outcome I want to see, you don't seem interested in that.


The US is a binary. He either wins or loses.

Defending democracy is up there. It's why people need to vote Blue in November.

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legendary_zell posted...
My approach to him and his stance in this topic is much more likely to get him to change than yours is. He's not saying he'll vote for Trump or abstain, he's saying he will abstain if Biden doesn't change his stance. Urging the types of actions that might bring that about is the best way to strengthen democracy, fight fascism, and ensure Biden wins.

And yet he's gone. Suicided his account. So neither of us really accomplished anything in the end. Personally I don't believe it's my job to coddle morons but I'm glad people like you and Umbreon took it upon yourselves to give patience to someone that was immutable. He was just another "earn my vote" voice. One that is ultimately lip service to fascism. Voting against it shouldn't be something you need to be taught. The only difference is I was at least trying to make him see his vainglorious high horse was worthless.

legendary_zell posted...
That's absolutely not true. There's many people who can still be brought on board. Believing otherwise is just your version of a blackpill and can also lead to a Biden loss.

I disagree. I think if anyone could even conceivably think that a Trump win is worth risking after his tenure as 45 isn't worth the breath. It's like trying to sit down and explain geometry to a cat. It isn't going to happen.

legendary_zell posted...
I do acknowledge it, that's why I want Biden to win

Cool so you know what's at risk then.

legendary_zell posted...
That's the outcome I want to see, you don't seem interested in that.

I'm not sure how you got that from my "Biden is the only possible moral choice" but I don't understand why you post a lot of the things you do.
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Cemith posted...
And yet he's gone. Suicided his account. So neither of us really accomplished anything in the end. Personally I don't believe it's my job to coddle morons but I'm glad people like you and Umbreon took it upon yourselves to give patience to someone that was immutable. He was just another "earn my vote" voice. One that is ultimately lip service to fascism. Voting against it shouldn't be something you need to be taught. The only difference is I was at least trying to make him see his vainglorious high horse was worthless.

Nothing of value is lost with the departure of that clown. But that bolded part is incredibly important. Much of what is wrong with the US comes down to the coddling of willful, aggressive stupidity.

The idea of "my ignorance/illogic is just as good as anyone else's reasoning even (or especially) if the other person is an expert" needs to fucking end.

In this particular case, a fuckwit who stubbornly refuses to admit the only two choices in the US the November for president are Biden (oppression of Gaza/Palestinians is likely to continue in the usual US/Israel imperialist/colonial mode) and Trump (easy solution to I/P because the US and Israel just kill them all) isn't worth talking to.

The only reason to interact with those types online is to try to prevent the contagion from spreading.
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