How the hell do you get used to keyboard and mouse controls?

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I've been on PC for about 3 year now but still use a controller for everything that will allow it. But any time I try to use a keyboard it's just universally awful. It's unintuitive, you have to use your movement fingers for lots of other actions, bending your fingers in weird ways, mouses are finicky, sensitivity always feels way off, and it just plain hurts my hand and wrist. How do people use this as their primary controller?
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Practice. Thats it. Just do it more.
I only use it when playing shooters, otherwise it's a controller for me.
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I'm right up there with you. I can only do KBM on a handful of games, but I imagine you really have to build up the muscle memory and intuition for it to work out.
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Weird, I can't imagine playing most PC games with a controller. Any game requiring aiming or camera control is far better with a mouse.
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If I'm buying a game for PC, its almost usually a game that will benefit from keyboard and mouse or is on steam sale.

I have consoles, so if a game feels more like a console game, why wouldn't I just play it there?

Same as PC based games coming to console. Why play it with an inferior control scheme when I can just play it the way it was designed
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wackyteen posted...
I have consoles, so if a game feels more like a console game, why wouldn't I just play it there?
There are a few pc only games that definitely feel better with a controller. Bug tales is one, it's a paper Mario clone and a very good one at that.
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specialkid8 posted...
I've been on PC for about 3 year now but still use a controller for everything that will allow it. But any time I try to use a keyboard it's just universally awful. It's unintuitive, you have to use your movement fingers for lots of other actions, bending your fingers in weird ways, mouses are finicky, sensitivity always feels way off, and it just plain hurts my hand and wrist. How do people use this as their primary controller?
I feel the same way about the slow, clunky movement using controllers.

Keyboard + mouse is much more precise.
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P4wn4g3 posted...
There are a few pc only games that definitely feel better with a controller. Bug tales is one, it's a paper Mario clone and a very good one at that.
but Bug Fables is on consoles <_<
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wackyteen posted...
If I'm buying a game for PC, its almost usually a game that will benefit from keyboard and mouse or is on steam sale.

I have consoles, so if a game feels more like a console game, why wouldn't I just play it there?

Same as PC based games coming to console. Why play it with an inferior control scheme when I can just play it the way it was designed
Because you can use a controller on PC. You lose nothing by getting everything that's available on PC. What does "feels like a console game" even mean?
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Any game requiring aiming or camera control is far better with a mouse.

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I only played one game like that because controller wasn't an option. I'm glad to see the trend shifting towards controller only.
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wackyteen posted...
I have consoles, so if a game feels more like a console game, why wouldn't I just play it there?
PC is almost always cheaper, and your PC is probably gonna run the game better than a console.
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If the game primarily uses the mouse, i'm fine with that, but if it needs the keyboard for more essential buttons than there are on controllers, i'm putting in a controller.
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Like others have said, practice.

That said, I really only play games on PC that are better with keyboard mouse like most RTS and FPS games but if I were playing like Red Dead or God of War I'd play on the console with a controller
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wackyteen posted...
but Bug Fables is on consoles <_<
Oh.

Well idk I can't think of many games where controller is actually superior.
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divot1338 posted...
Keyboard + mouse is much more precise.
This is what everyone says but I've never seen it. Mouse is slightly better for some fine movements but trying to use a keyboard for anything but walking in a straight line is carpal tunnel on wheels.
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Controller is better for fighting games and character action games, and third person view games which arent a shooter (ie. trails of cold steel)

thats pretty much the extent of it.
specialkid8 posted...
Because you can use a controller on PC. You lose nothing by getting everything that's available on PC. What does "feels like a console game" even mean?

Most of your (former) console exclusives, for one. So, your Last of Us, God of Wars, Spider-Mans, yknow. those kinds of games.

Things that were made and designed with a controller in mind, so like a Sonic Adventure 2 feels more like a console game than a PC game (i've played it on both)

I guess its less "feels like a console game" and more "feels designed for controller".
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specialkid8 posted...
This is what everyone says but I've never seen it. Mouse is slightly better for some fine movements but trying to use a keyboard for anything but walking in a straight line is carpal tunnel on wheels.
After I discovered Counterstrike I realized there was a whole other level to being comfortable with your keyboard setup.
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HotDogMayo posted...
Like others have said, practice.

That said, I really only play games on PC that are better with keyboard mouse like most RTS and FPS games but if I were playing like Red Dead or God of War I'd play on the console with a controller

Third person games where you fight the camera are still better with kb/M. I tried Kena with a controller for about 5 seconds before going back to mouse.
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Any sort of PvP involving aiming, and any kind of RTS, is always going to be faster and more precise with KBM. A controller is fine, arguably better, for heavily context sensitive games and platformers and such.
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Prestoff posted...
I only use it when playing shooters, otherwise it's a controller for me.
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it feels right for horror games. I'm staying on some buttons and of course can click adjacent, not completely moving away because then I could not move back. Movement, run, crouch, change weapon, that's about it.

fps and point and click are abysmal with a controller, and this is coming from a person who used a controller most of his life

playing something like mount & blade, c&c, or Fallout 1&2 are so goddamn tedious with a controller. even a touch screen is better. and precisely aiming with a mouse on a cursor is a million times faster and more accurate, especially without any kind of auto-aim in the game.

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ImAMarvel posted...
What's funny is that if consoles embraced gyro like Splatoon, controller would be very nearly as good as KB+M. But idk, console devs and audiences just don't want to embrace this obvious upgrade.
Give it time. Eventually well look back at the gyro pushback like we look back at this now.
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ImAMarvel posted...
What's funny is that if consoles embraced gyro like Splatoon, controller would be very nearly as good as KB+M. But idk, console devs and audiences just don't want to embrace this obvious upgrade.

Gyro could be better, but still not nearly as good. Can't imagine long distance sniping with a freefloating grip and a sensitivity limited to a distance ratio on the stick gate.
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Never did. I built my PC, plugged it to the living room TV and paired an Xbox controller. On the deck I can map keyboard/mouse to buttons, so now I have even LESS reason to adapt. Bless PC and its endless capabilities.
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divot1338 posted...
After I discovered Counterstrike I realized there was a whole other level to being comfortable with your keyboard setup.
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SauI_Goodman posted...
I refuse to cross play with PC users. It's gotta be an even playing field.

People run kbm on consoles nowadays, any pubstomper in your CoD lobby is almost certainly doing it.
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Rika_Furude posted...
Controller is better for fighting games
Controller is more comfortable for fighting games, keyboard is objectively more precise. Even in games like Smash that benefit from granular stick control, the consistency and precision of keyboard puts it ahead of controller.
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Controller is more comfortable for fighting games, keyboard is objectively more precise. Even in games like Smash that benefit from granular stick control, the consistency and precision of keyboard puts it ahead of controller.

Maybe if the keys were better tuned with proper microswitches or something, but otherwise I don't see why you'd take a keyboard over a hitbox or standard arcade stick on the basis of precision. The real charm is in holding multiple directions for priority tricks, something physically impossible with a stick.
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specialkid8 posted...
It's unintuitive, you have to use your movement fingers for lots of other actions, bending your fingers in weird ways
This is how I feel about controllers. Claw grip was extremely painful for me, and my fingers would hurt for days after playing on controller for some games. I still prefer it to KB+M though for most games. Full keyboard is my preferred input, but a lot of games just refuse to design controls for it. I've gotten used to KB+M for some games, but I still dislike it for the most part.
I have no idea how we've had an ideal form factor for controllers since the 360 came out, but still no standardized rear grip buttons. Like, c'mon. There should never be a situation where you need to take your thumb off the stick to press something else.
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Controller is good for racing and fighting games
P4wn4g3 posted...
Any game requiring aiming or camera control is far better with a mouse.

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divot1338 posted...
I feel the same way about the slow, clunky movement using controllers.

Keyboard + mouse is much more precise.
How exactly is a controller slow and clunky ?
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always hated it but I got used to it in the 90s when PC games universally didn't have controller support, so it was either get used to it or don't play all those games I wanted to play, so it was a necessary evil

these days I try my best to circumvent the use of mouse and keyboard as much as possible when I play on PC
thankfully there are a handful of helpful tools that have come along since the 90s to help with that, like USB converters for PlayStation and PS2 controllers, newer PlayStation systems having controllers that already use USB natively and standalone programs like joy2key that can map and calibrate mouse and keyboard input to controllers

even with all that it sadly doesn't always work, but I can live with a small handful games not having as good controls are they could
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