I've already been pretty damn clear that in and of itself I do consider him responsible for that. Go re-read the relevant posts again if you still think otherwise. The point was that it's hypocritical to hold him responsible for actions he merely influenced, while not holding Biden responsible for actions he outright enabled.You're saying that the man who had the pandemic response team disbanded, refused to listen to his chief of medical, who refused any policy to slow down the pandemic spread, who mocked people wearing masks, who told his supporters to just ignore the pandemic.
So weird how many people came to the same conclusion here...Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.
You're saying that the man who had the pandemic response team disbanded, refused to listen to his chief of medical, who refused any policy to slow down the pandemic spread, who mocked people wearing masks, who told his supporters to just ignore the pandemic.
Only had a little influence? and no direct action? Why do you keep downplaying this?
So weird how few "Genocide Joe" users are showing up here. I thought they deeply cared...
Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.Is your government supporting the conflict in any way?
Almost as if you're crying "right wing Trumper" to shut down valid criticism. It's very noticable that it's only the ones who seem to have a soft spot for Israel that are trying to brand me as that.
You're saying that the man who had the pandemic response team disbanded, refused to listen to his chief of medical, who refused any policy to slow down the pandemic spread, who mocked people wearing masks, who told his supporters to just ignore the pandemic.It's interesting how you keep insisting that I've said "a little" of things when I haven't.
Only had a little influence? and no direct action? Why do you keep downplaying this?
Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.You do not care about the Palestinian genocide because you do not care about the persecution of minority peoples under a right wing regime.
Almost as if you're crying "right wing Trumper" to shut down valid criticism. It's very noticable that it's only the ones who seem to have a soft spot for Israel that are trying to brand me as that.
Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.
Almost as if you're crying "right wing Trumper" to shut down valid criticism. It's very noticable that it's only the ones who seem to have a soft spot for Israel that are trying to brand me as that.
By blaming people refusing to follow reasonable safety precautions, that they could have followed in spite of Trump's "advice" for COVID deaths.We already told you that thousands upon thousands of Americans died or were left with lifelong issues despite following protocol perfectly.
Is your government supporting the conflict in any way?Unfortunately the current government is, which is why next time around I'll almost certianly be voting Green (which in fairness was already very likely to be the case). They're the only relevant party I feel can be trusted to not support Israel; I don't agree with them on everything but the things I disagree with them on are far more palatable to compromise on.
It's interesting how you keep insisting that I've said "a little" of things when I haven't.Oh don't mind me just pondering on how you keep downplaying Trump as having a little influence but scream that Biden is directly responsible for the actions of others.
i wonder why people would think that the guy who tries to downplay how bad trump is/was and spends hundreds of posts attacking biden would be labeled a cultist? lmao you are way too obviousAh yes, despite repeatedly stating that Trump is worse, despite the only thing even resembling a defence of Trump being calling out hypocrisy, I must secretly support Trump.
Ah yes, despite repeatedly stating that Trump is worse, despite the only thing even resembling a defence of Trump being calling out hypocrisy, I must secretly support Trump.
Fuck off with that crap.
Oh don't mind me just pondering on how you keep downplaying Trump as having a little influence but scream that Biden is directly responsible for the actions of others.There you go again, inserting "little" where no claim was made about magnitude.
It's just a curious observation I assure you and nothing more.
Unfortunately the current government is
Ah yes, despite repeatedly stating that Trump is worse, despite the only thing even resembling a defence of Trump being calling out hypocrisy, I must secretly support Trump.
Fuck off with that crap.
you literally went post after post saying people should abstain voting Biden and that voting Biden meant you support genocideAnd at what point during this did I suggest anyone should vote Trump?
You clearly feel the need to label everyone who criticises Biden a "Trump supporter" because there's no other way to defend Biden's conduct on Israel.Curious I do not recall calling you a Trump Supporter. How strange that was your go to reaction to me pointing out your own posting habits.
i wonder why people would think that the guy who tries to downplay how bad trump is/was and spends hundreds of posts attacking biden would be labeled a cultist? lmao you are way too obvious
Since then, I've been saying vote Biden if you absolutely have to but don't fucking criticise those who can't bring themself to do soWhy not? Are they beyond criticism? Should I allow my friends fate be in the hands of people who are apathetic to their suffering? Should I not be pointing out how much worse life under Trump is than Biden?
Curious I do not recall calling you a Trump Supporter. How strange that was your go to reaction to me pointing out your own posting habits.Outside of notable cases like outright denying genocide, I'm kinda past the point of paying attention to who's who among all of you.
I also don't remember defending Biden how curious.
Anyway please do not mind me I am only making harmless observations.
Yeah. All the talk of how democrats need to "be better", but they say nothing about how to make republicans less fascist.Why waste time on an impossible goal?
And at what point during this did I suggest anyone should vote Trump?
Prior to being educated on some of the finer points around US elections, I was saying vote someone else. Since then, I've been saying vote Biden if you absolutely have to but don't fucking criticise those who can't bring themself to do so, and consider using the threat of non-voting as leverage to pressure him into changing course on Israel. On both sides of that point, I've held that downplaying or deflecting what he's doing is unacceptable.
What fucking part of that is supporting Trump?
And at what point during this did I suggest anyone should vote Trump?
Prior to being educated on some of the finer points around US elections, I was saying vote someone else. Since then, I've been saying vote Biden if you absolutely have to but don't fucking criticise those who can't bring themself to do so, and consider using the threat of non-voting as leverage to pressure him into changing course on Israel. On both sides of that point, I've held that downplaying or deflecting what he's doing is unacceptable.
What fucking part of that is supporting Trump?
Why waste time on an impossible goal?
so it's worth shitposting for hundreds of posts if you are shitting on democrats but you can't be bothered to denounce the people you are trying to get elected?I've denounced Republicans plenty of times when it's relevant, but since for the most part they've only come up as a deflection and everyone already recognizes they're shit, there's not much point.
you aren't very good at this
Trumble also said months ago that Israel should be forced to 100% disarm and when it was pointed out that this would just cause a genocide in the other direction he said thats ok because theyre the bad guys nowFunny how you always leave out that I've said a neutral peacekeeping force should be involved in any such scenario... Almost like you're just trying to make anyone criticising Israel and its supporters sound bad.
Since it was missed (and it is relevant), are you currently employed Trumble?No, it's not relevant. You're either intending to use it as a gotcha over something I can't control, or to use it to dismiss my opinion on entirely irrelevant grounds. Not to mention if you followed my posts even a fraction of as closely as you claim to, you'd already know the answer.
No, it's not relevant. You're either intending to use it as a gotcha over something I can't control, or to use it to dismiss my opinion on entirely irrelevant grounds.It is relevant and your answer is pretty telling.
I've denounced Republicans plenty of times when it's relevant, but since for the most part they've only come up as a deflection and everyone already recognizes they're shit, there's not much point.
It's no different to Israel supporters insisting everyone who doesn't end every criticism of Israel with a statement about Hamas being bad must be secret Hamas supporters.
He's clarified that his country is also supporting the conflict in the way the US is.There you go again, putting words in my mouth. My country's support is in the sense of that politicians aren't taking a strong enough line against it. Not in the sense of that they're fucking supplying weapons. Even Winston Peters, probably the most pro-Israel person in there, wants to see a ceasefire; and while it's hard to take his word too seriously, at least he hasn't been taking significant actions that contradict his claims.
There you go again, putting words in my mouth. My country's support is in the sense of that politicians aren't taking a strong enough line against it. Not in the sense of that they're fucking supplying weapons.Are they supporting it financially in any way at all?
Therefore, he is also supporting genocide by paying taxes.Now to address this part... I dunno if you realize this, but in normal countries, not only is tax evasion illegal but unless you have no income it's also very difficult to even attempt in the first place. You don't even see the taxed income, it's taken out before you get the money. In practice it's basically just a lower wage. The only influence anyone has over it is pressuring or voting for politicians.
Now to address this part... I dunno if you realize this, but in normal countries, not only is tax evasion illegal but unless you have no income it's also very difficult to even attempt in the first place. The only influence anyone has over it is pressuring or voting for politicians.Right.
And besides, let's not forget you claimed the genocide wasn't a genocide, so you are in no position to talk about what is or isn't supporting it.
And besides, let's not forget you claimed the genocide wasn't a genocide, so you are in no position to talk about what is or isn't supporting it.To wit, this is the part where I point out your hypocrisy in disliking the Palestinian genocide but being on board with American minority oppression under a Trump regime.
There you go again, putting words in my mouth. My country's support is in the sense of that politicians aren't taking a strong enough line against it. Not in the sense of that they're fucking supplying weapons. Even Winston Peters, probably the most pro-Israel person in there, wants to see a ceasefire; and while it's hard to take his word too seriously, at least he hasn't been taking significant actions that contradict his claims.
We aren't fucking like you.
To wit, this is the part where I point out your hypocrisy in disliking the Palestinian genocide but being on board with American minority oppression under a Trump regime.Why don't you quote the specific comments I made about that and see just how "on board with it" they are or aren't?
Not exactly a rigid moral compass you have there.
new zealand is using the exact same rhetoric the biden administration is. they both support israels 'right to defend itself' while admonishing unnecessary deaths and military action.A huge difference being that NZ isn't supplying weapons, or obstructing UN resolutions, or sending military support to the region, or...
you don't give a shit about gaza, you just want far right lunatics in power
Why don't you quote the specific comments I made about that and see just how "on board with it" they are or aren't?Your words are meaningless in this situation unless you practice what you're preaching here and cease being a tax payer.
Your words are meaningless in this situation unless you practice what you're preaching here and cease being a tax payer.Where have I suggested any Americans should quit paying taxes? Expecting them to give up their income is unrealistic. Expecting them not to actively defend the facilitation of genocide is not.
A huge difference being that NZ isn't supplying weapons, or obstructing UN resolutions, or sending military support to the region, or...
Plus, as mentioned, my vote will be going to the one relevant party that doesn't support them at all. Because that's what I *can* realistically do. Who on a side note are about as far from "far right lunatics" as you can get without venturing into the left wing equivalent territory.
Where have I suggested any Americans should quit paying taxes? Expecting them to give up their income is unrealistic. Expecting them not to actively defend the facilitation of genocide is not.Taxes are supporting the conflict, therefore by your outlined logic, it's supporting a genocide.
Why don't you quote the specific comments I made about that and see just how "on board with it" they are or aren't?
Happily!I'm very curious to know what part of "and even that's not okay" or "hence my lack of support for either candidate" suggests me being on board with it.
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I'm very curious to know what part of "and even that's not okay" or "hence my lack of support for either candidate" suggests me being on board with it.Have you resigned yet?